Yeah, don't they use glycerine for that? Which burns toxic as well

Actually, it sounds as if they want mandatory safety bands. This is different than prohibiting burn additives.

I had an old manager who used to roll his own cigs. Although they were a heck of a lot more pleasant to smoke, they often went out unless you were consistently taking drags from them since they lacked burn additives.

I don't see this as a problem, and it's long overdue.

It was passed in New York State, about 5 years ago.

They sell less cigarettes, because they go out if you're not actively puffing on them, so you tend to just re-light the one that's already in your hand, rather than taking out another one, hey, tough noogies.

On the real plus side, is that I hardly ever hear about fires that are attributed to careless smoking anymore.

TommyymmoT: They sell less fewer cigarettes

(sigh)

/you're welcome

TommyymmoT: I don't see this as a problem, and it's long overdue.

It was passed in New York State, about 5 years ago.

They sell less cigarettes, because they go out if you're not actively puffing on them, so you tend to just re-light the one that's already in your hand, rather than taking out another one, hey, tough noogies.

On the real plus side, is that I hardly ever hear about fires that are attributed to careless smoking anymore.

They did something with sulfur IIRC. I think it was added(?) but I can't be too sure.

Frankly, after reading the article about the guy that burned his crotch from dropping his cigarette, I think I'll stick to mainlining.

They put thing in them to make them burn faster, so you either smoke another cause yours burned out while you were talking, or you take more nicotine in each drag by smoking faster. Either way, it increases your addiction level.

If only something like a blunt had already been invented...

Dinjiin: I had an old manager who used to roll his own cigs. Although they were a heck of a lot more pleasant to smoke, they often went out unless you were consistently taking drags from them since they lacked burn additives.

He was probably rolling them too tight.

Dinjiin: Actually, it sounds as if they want mandatory safety bands. This is different than prohibiting burn additives.

I had an old manager who used to roll his own cigs. Although they were a heck of a lot more pleasant to smoke, they often went out unless you were consistently taking drags from them since they lacked burn additives.

roll them tighter and they wont do that as much :)

TommyymmoT: They sell less cigarettes?

Duh...fewer....

Too many people coming out of school these days can barely read, can't write a coherent paragraph, have no working knowledge of history, can't add or subtract without a calculator and can't put forth a rational argument without resorting to calling pepople names.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Oh, and in your rebuttal, please use correct spelling and grammar.

/that's "people".

kansas is awesome, i don't care what anyone says.

TommyymmoT:
On the real plus side, is that I hardly ever hear about fires that are attributed to careless smoking anymore.

There are multiple reasons for this, one is that most things in your house are required to be fireproofed to a degree. It can still flash over, but that is usually closer to 2500 degrees. Most of the fabrics, drapes, carpets, and especially matresses and sofa/chair cushions are made and treated to prevent flaming up especially from a cigarette.

The other part of it is have you ever tried to light even a bit of paper on fire from a cigarette? Its quite difficult at best. Thin dry paper like old newspapers with just the right amount of wind can catch, but generally paper light from a cigarette just doesnt happen like it does on TV. Generally speaking you cant even light petrol/gasoline with a cigarette (its normally 50 degrees (F) below the flash point unless you take a damned hard drag).

I dont recommend people try any of this of course, unless they are in florida and are wiping their groin and legs down with alcohol first :)

Aarontology: He was probably rolling them too tight.
trixter_nl: roll them tighter and they wont do that as much :)

I see...

phlegmmo: ... resorting to calling pepople names.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Oh, and in your rebuttal, please use correct spelling and grammar.

Some of the few pleasures I have in life come from carefully reading spelling Nazi complaints and finding a misspelling. I honestly can't remember a time where a spelling Nazi posted some scathing remarks without themselves making a mistake.

overlord: Aarontology: He was probably rolling them too tight.
trixter_nl: roll them tighter and they wont do that as much :)

I see...

try it like you are shopping for a girl, a little tighter, a little looser until you figure out just what works for you :)

I read that after and either can cause it really, when I was living in ireland I rolled becuase its just so expensive to buy prerolled ($11/pack or so) and my most common problem was rolling too loose and it would go out.

Occasionally (daily?) I might roll one here in Amsterdam, why it goes out could have other reasons here however :) but again generally its because I just didnt do it that tight.

I thought these were already out? I know recently it seems that my cigarettes seem to have a weaker cherry that seems to glow inside the shaft instead of at the end, I have to suck harder, and it seems to go out on its own if I dont inhale more often.

/Least exiting post ever with "suck", "cherry", and "shaft" as used words.

phlegmmo: TommyymmoT: They sell less cigarettes?

Duh...fewer....

Too many people coming out of school these days can barely read, can't write a coherent paragraph, have no working knowledge of history, can't add or subtract without a calculator and can't put forth a rational argument without resorting to calling pepople names.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Oh, and in your rebuttal, please use correct spelling and grammar.

Why the hell are you harping on this?

Do you actually think that a bunch of people who use the letter "U", instead of the word "you", and who's wittiest reply, is a picture from The Simpsons, or the word "fail", aren't going to get the gist what I was was trying to convey just because of a simple grammatical error I made while drunk at 3AM?

Just out of school? I turned 51 today, and used to teach at the college level, so go shove your righteous indignation up your ass.

Better yet, why don't we play a quick game of hide and go fark yourself.

Much like a few of the western states adopt California emission standards, shouldn't they call this the adoption of NY cigarette flammability standards?

If you like the standards from another state, announce where you got them from and then recite the standards in your legislation. This means your standards are the same as another state's, and a manufacturer doesn't have to revamp and prove production methods to meet your new standards in addition to another state's.

wildcardjack: Much like a few of the western states adopt California emission standards, shouldn't they call this the adoption of NY cigarette flammability standards?


Not if you know the history of the "northeast emissions standard" NY held it up because they did not want the name "california" in the standard title. Its basically the same thing, I think levels are identical, but a year passed over the name alone.

Man, this is really what I need to take up a health conscious lifestyle. Light beer, diet soda, low fat frozen food, and now slower burning cigarettes! I hope they come in the ultra light variety, too! With all these healthy options, I might even feel ok sinning a little by going to McDonalds now and then.

FTFA:
Safety advocates say it's a fire safety issue.

Here's my problem with saying that a cigarette is a fire safety issue. Several years ago, my (now ex) girlfriend and I were in the car, and we got into a fight about something or other. She was smoking a cigarette. Her response to "Your father is a fat alcoholic bore who gets his jollies by hitting women." was to take her cigarette and put it out on my hand. It hurt (she was putting a small amount of fire against my skin), and I got maybe a first degree burn. There was a minor blister and that was the worse it ever got, there's hardly even a scar there (this was almost 8 years ago, so it's bound to fade a bit). Now, if it can only give a person a first degree burn, how is it a 'Fire Safety Concern'? Bad wiring in a home is a fire safety concern. A book of matches is a fire safety concern, a lighter can be a fire safety concern. A cigarette clearly isn't.

All this really will do is when those who passed this bill run for re-election they can say "I voted for this bill because I care about your children" in hopes to winning re-election.

By having a cigarette stop burning earlier, people will buy more to sate their addiction, so they will buy more cigarettes.

So other than raising taxes, how does this help.

Or is it another tax aimed at those that can least afford it? (sin taxes)

Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

They taste like shiat! God damn you nanny state biatches!

Just tried them the other day and had no idea what was wrong with them until someone pointed out the "FCS" above the bar code.

TheStaffAce: Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

you blow your employees?

TommyymmoT: phlegmmo: TommyymmoT: They sell less cigarettes?

Duh...fewer....

Too many people coming out of school these days can barely read, can't write a coherent paragraph, have no working knowledge of history, can't add or subtract without a calculator and can't put forth a rational argument without resorting to calling pepople names.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Oh, and in your rebuttal, please use correct spelling and grammar.

Why the hell are you harping on this?

Do you actually think that a bunch of people who use the letter "U", instead of the word "you", and who's wittiest reply, is a picture from The Simpsons, or the word "fail", aren't going to get the gist what I was was trying to convey just because of a simple grammatical error I made while drunk at 3AM?

Just out of school? I turned 51 today, and used to teach at the college level, so go shove your righteous indignation up your ass.

Better yet, why don't we play a quick game of hide and go fark yourself.

Actually, less in this situation works fine. These are called synonyms. Wouldn't reading be boring if there were only one word for each meaning?

/you don't feel good, you feel well
//don't go straight, go forward
///be correct, write "Slashies (sic)"

trixter_nl: TheStaffAce: Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

you blow your employees?

I guess that's what they mean by "full benefits" these days.

trixter_nl: TheStaffAce: Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

you blow your employees?

I will paypal you $5, if you can prove where it says that in my statement.

/junior high douche

TommyymmoT: phlegmmo: TommyymmoT: They sell less cigarettes?

Duh...fewer....

Too many people coming out of school these days can barely read, can't write a coherent paragraph, have no working knowledge of history, can't add or subtract without a calculator and can't put forth a rational argument without resorting to calling pepople names.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

Oh, and in your rebuttal, please use correct spelling and grammar.

Why the hell are you harping on this?

Do you actually think that a bunch of people who use the letter "U", instead of the word "you", and who's wittiest reply, is a picture from The Simpsons, or the word "fail", aren't going to get the gist what I was was trying to convey just because of a simple grammatical error I made while drunk at 3AM?

Just out of school? I turned 51 today, and used to teach at the college level, so go shove your righteous indignation up your ass.

Better yet, why don't we play a quick game of hide and go fark yourself.

You tell em' Steve-Dave!

TheStaffAce: Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

Ahh the oh-so reasonable persona of a smoker. All bark and no bite, otherwise you and your kind wouldn't have let the bans pass.

Great Janitor: FTFA:
Safety advocates say it's a fire safety issue.

Here's my problem with saying that a cigarette is a fire safety issue. Several years ago, my (now ex) girlfriend and I were in the car, and we got into a fight about something or other. She was smoking a cigarette. Her response to "Your father is a fat alcoholic bore who gets his jollies by hitting women." was to take her cigarette and put it out on my hand. It hurt (she was putting a small amount of fire against my skin), and I got maybe a first degree burn. There was a minor blister and that was the worse it ever got, there's hardly even a scar there (this was almost 8 years ago, so it's bound to fade a bit). Now, if it can only give a person a first degree burn, how is it a 'Fire Safety Concern'? Bad wiring in a home is a fire safety concern. A book of matches is a fire safety concern, a lighter can be a fire safety concern. A cigarette clearly isn't.

All this really will do is when those who passed this bill run for re-election they can say "I voted for this bill because I care about your children" in hopes to winning re-election.

Well coals burning can be walked across, mostly because the embers and coals are not good conductors of heat. Try a regular printer paper test somewhere safe, and without first rubbing alcohol on your legs and groin, hold the edge of it against the cigarette and you will see that its actually hard to light the paper, or even get it to smolder much. Only under certain circumstances (ie right amount of breeze, stack of papers, etc) can you get it to go up at all, and there has to be air gaps between the paper (ie a stack of old newspapers, which is a fire hazard by themselves). Most household goods sold are fire proofed to a degree, and generally a cigarette isnt enough to light them. Myth busters even tried to light gas on fire, noting that it burns about 50 degrees below the gas flash point, so the movie thing of tossing a cigarette into a trail of gas doesnt work well either.

But hey its a law, its an election year, and its a hot button issue that has had millions of dollars poured out to tell people that this needs to be done and how evil the cigarette companies are for not doing it sooner.

People need to take responsibility for themselves, and not rely on the government to pass laws eliminating the need for personal responsibility. Dont smoke in bed when tired, its a bad idea, and its your fault if you do. Take responsibility for your actions and stop demanding your government take responsibility for you.

I guarantee that if the government tried to make everything safe for everyone and responsibility for everyone unable to do so for themselves (including parents who want the FCC to be their kids baby sitter) people will freak out and dislike how oppressive their government is. They wont like the fact that their personal freedoms to choose what they see is best for themselves and their family is gone. Oh wait they already are complaining that the government is too oppressive...

sigh

aleiss:
Actually, less in this situation works fine. These are called synonyms. Wouldn't reading be boring if there were only one word for each meaning?


since we are in gr4mm0r nazi mode, synonyms dont always and infact rarely have the same exact meaning. There are subtle differences between one word and another even if they may be synonyms.

trixter_nl:
Well coals burning can be walked across, mostly because the embers and coals are not good conductors of heat.

Once heard a story some asshole of the century being at one of those coal walking things in Hawaii and tossing a fat hunk of obsidian into the coal pit when no one was looking. From what I hear the guys foot basically liquefied on to the rock.

What bans would these be? I live in Kansas City, where we just passed new smoking bans. The owners of the establishments HATE these laws, and if ask kindly (or just plain ask), they will let you smoke. I have been on television smoking in Jaywalkers on Rainbow Blvd. after the ban. It's a complete joke.

I went to a Neil Young concert in New York at Radio City, and we went to dinner before hand. I had no idea that there was a smoking ban in NYC. I asked the host, "Two, smoking please." She giggled and said, "We don't have a smoking section. We are a non-smoking establisment, so is all of New York." My statement, "C'mon, make it work, you have windows." Placed in corner 15 feet from others with an open window. Not like I'm a celebrity or something. We tipped her $40 on the way out. However, we did go to Irish pub that night afterwards, and we had to smoke outside.

Just add plastic and road tar, those take a while to burn off.

Not one Jeneane Garofalo pic?

Get off my lawn!

Bukake hahah

Hey Zeus Christ. Is this thread about legislation, and slow burning cigarettes, or about the things that you are so proud of learning in English class?

Here's a hint.

NOBODY GIVES A DAMN!

TheStaffAce: However, we did go to Irish pub that night afterwards, and we had to smoke outside.

Then you got the real irish experience, since that is how it is there as well, and many dont like it. I know that bartenders in california have complained about lower tips due to the smoking bans (people drink less as a result tip less).

So who have the bans hurt? Well it seems the bar owners and bar workers mostly. People are going to off-license places and taking it to their house where they can smoke. Not everyone but a large enough percentage that its affected the stock prices of publicly traded companies that own bars, or do liquor distribution. So yes people are drinking less, potentially smoking less, but shouldnt it be those peoples choices to drink and smoke? Or have we gone so far to say that the government (or just a really vocal group of people) should make all the decisions for everyone about everything?

At what point will people finally get fed up with the increased control being forced upon them by others and start to stand up for themselves and their desires to make choices for themselves?

If you dont like smoking, fine dont goto a place that allows it. If enough people really didnt want a smoking bar/restaurant/etc then management would ban it to capture those customers.

When people start deciding they are better poised to make decisions for others they run the risk that someone else will make decisions for them they may not agree with. That is one way to look at tolerance as well, if you are tolerant of others they may tolerate all the stuff you do that bothers them.

They could start by putting the legislature in a low-oxygen room. That will make their smokes burn longer.

The best tasting, longest burning, most additive free cigarette ever. When I discovered these things, it was hard to smoke anything else.

Sadly, I quit smoking. Miss my Natty's.

I heard somewhere that they wanted to have the slower burn cigs here in Aus, as each year some farkhead will throw a lit ciggie out the car window and bang, bushfire.

trixter_nl: the "northeast emissions standard" NY held it up because they did not want the name "california" in the standard title.

Valid point. Some state legislatures are full of A-holes.

They just passed a similar law here in WI, having solved everything else I guess.

/20 year smoker, never smoked in bed. Don't want to DIAF.
//When I'm good and loaded, I toss the butts in the toilet.

They have passed this in Maine. It doesn't make you smoke less, in fact you may be smoking more. When the cigarette is idle it's not burning up and goes out a lot, so you relight and go. They also have a different taste and tend to leave you with cotton mouth. But at $6.50 a pack, it's the least of my biatches.

trixter_nl

Occasionally (daily?) I might roll one here in Amsterdam, why it goes out could have other reasons here however :) but again generally its because I just didnt do it that tight.

Less of the burn additives, more of what a friend called his forgetery?.

Dinjiin: Actually, it sounds as if they want mandatory safety bands. This is different than prohibiting burn additives.

I had an old manager who used to roll his own cigs. Although they were a heck of a lot more pleasant to smoke, they often went out unless you were consistently taking drags from them since they lacked burn additives.

I used to roll my own. Talk about a pain in the ass. When going out somewhere, you had to make sure you had enough cigs rolled to last, because rolling in public makes others think you are doing weird, illegal things. Then, as mentioned above, if you didn't suck on the damn things, they'd go out. Trying to relight them is almost impossible, because they absorb moisture. Playing around with rolling my own pretty much made me quit, so I guess thats a good thing. I still buy a pack of camels once in a while, but after two drags, I feel sick and throw or give them away.

Do they still put salt peter in tobacco, or was that an urban legend?

/want ciggy now! I will resist! must go do something with my hands.......

Owangotang: TheStaffAce: Slower burning cigarettes? good. I'm not smoking because I don't enjoy it. I wish they made a cigarette that would burn all day.

/and I'd blow it in your farking face, like I do my employees.

Ahh the oh-so reasonable persona of a smoker. All bark and no bite, otherwise you and your kind wouldn't have let the bans pass.

See, I like all the bans, and safety measures and taxes, and pretty much every anti-smoking measure that they can heap on top of a pack (and in NY, that's a lot of heaping.) As my sweet Virginia cigarette burns in my hand, as I huddle thirty feet from the door in the middle of the road, in a tremendous rainstorm, while a practically arctic wind blows up my pants, I can be self-righteous. Some jackalope walks by and coughs loudly because they see the cigarette and don't like that I'm killing myself, I can tell them "I'm following all of the little rules that you've made, like a good little boy. I've been saturated with all the warnings and know exactly what I'm doing to myself. This is a conscious choice that I have made for myself. The smoke is being carried away by the wind, and I'm carefully standing downwind from anyone who doesn't smoke. The only one this is harming is myself, and now you are the one behaving like a jackass. With how remote I have made myself to enjoy this, you are the one seeking me out. And it has just taken you thirty extra seconds of standing in the rain to criticize me. Now fark off and catch a cold so you can stay home while I continue to work, and continue to smoke."

I'll continue to smoke until packs reach $20; then I'll save money and just roll and smoke dollar bills. Mmmm, trace-of-cocaine smoke!