Bush is gone in a few months.

No problem.

That's going to cost him the 08 nomination!

But he is still more popular then Congress.

well i guess those stimulus checks are right on time then.

rocinante721: Bush is gone in a few months.

No problem.

If he does not spend the rest of his natural life in a 8x10 cell, then there is a problem.

rocinante721: Bush is gone in a few months.

No problem.

But his failed policies may live on.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But he is still more popular then Congress.

Then what?

Well, at least the GOP decided to run a candidate who is really far from Bush then.
/snark

The Onanist: Then what?

The type-os, they happen. Go tell your mommie you earned a cookie.

John McCain: Bush 2 Electric Boogaloo

Wright's military record is better, too. He served in a combat Marine division, and then re-enlisted and became a Navy medic.

Maybe Wright could have beaten him in '04.

Yeah, but Bush is White.

Huh?

FTFA:43 percent of respondents are concerned about the 71-year-old John McCain's close ties to George Bush.

34 percent have problems with Obama's "bitter" remarks and 32 percent give a damn about Jeremiah Wright.



This doesn't make Bush more unpopular than Wright. It means that fewer people care about a crazy "preacher's" rants.

But why let the facts get in the way of a good headline/soundbite.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The type-os, they happen. Go tell your mommie you earned a cookie.

She's dead. Thanks.

oldernell: Wright's military record is better, too. He served in a combat Marine division, and then re-enlisted and became a Navy medic.

And treated a hospitalized president.

But, of course, it was a DEMOCRAT president, so he really showed his true commie stripes right there.

Code_Archeologist: If he does not spend the rest of his natural life in a 8x10 cell, then there is a problem.

If Jackson did spend a minute in jail for trying to kill off an entire race of people in the United States how do you think you are going to get Bush?


The Onanist: She's dead. Thanks.

Ok, no cookie for you

mysticcat: This doesn't make Bush more unpopular than Wright. It means that fewer people care about a crazy "preacher's" rants.

But why let the facts get in the way of a good headline/soundbite.

the headline makes sense. bush is more of a negative for mccain than wright is for obama. the wording is a little off, but it isn't radically different than what the article says.

beyond that, we also don't need the article to remind us that the president has

burndtdan: beyond that, we also don't need the article to remind us that the president has

...

less than 30% approval rating

/the less than symbol tricked fark into thinking i was using html

Will McCain reject and denounce Bush?

/I hope not. That could just get him elected.

You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president. Sure, he's hit some rough patches- he's not perfect-but he's an honorable man who has done his best. When Iraq is a free and democratic society, you'll all see he was right. At the very least, Saddam Hussein is no longer supporting Al Quieda, and he's kept us safe since 9/11, which was really Clinton's fault.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But he is still more popular then Congress.

Psst....Congress isn't an invidual person. Otherwise, very valid comparison.

what_now: You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president.

Agreed. There is no hate like liberal hate.

Car_Ramrod: Psst....Congress isn't an invidual person. Otherwise, very valid comparison.

Yeah that's why nothing ever changes. Yeah Congress sucks, but my guy is great!

I was just trying to point out that for some reason no one in politics is polling very high. Be it the President, Congress, or some just rapped in someone else campaign.

what_now: You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president

I'm no liberal and I think Bush has been a bad president. He has stuck to his guns and that takes conviction, but it doesn't justify his failures.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I was just trying to point out that for some reason no one in politics is polling very high. Be it the President, Congress, or some just rapped in someone else campaign.

So it's not that Wright is a douchebag, or that Bush is a failing, incompetant douchebag, it's just that they're victims of an overall polling trend?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But he is still more popular then Congress.

Than the Republican Congress. Break it out by party and your statement is not accurate.

Car_Ramrod: So it's not that Wright is a douchebag, or that Bush is a failing, incompetant douchebag, it's just that they're victims of an overall polling trend?

Oh they all have their individual shortcomings to a greater and lesser degree. But overall yes they are being affected by a polling trend. Wright is not a total douchebag as you put it. He has done some good things for the community around him. As well as Bush has done some great things. However for some reason the people today have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and their memories are about 5 seconds long.

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
But overall yes they are being affected by a polling trend.

Prove it.

Wright is not a total douchebag as you put it. He has done some good things for the community around him.

I never said he was a "total" douchebag. This was a national poll asking people how Wright was affecting the presidential campaign. His work in his community has been positive, and his church has done some great things, but since he has been made "an issue" by the media, he has acted like a douchebag. I'm also not saying I disagree with everything, or even most things, that he's saying, but his manner has not been the best in presenting his ideas.

As well as Bush has done some great things.

Hahaha.

However for some reason the people today have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and their memories are about 5 seconds long.

This is not a new thing, the public has been that way for more than just the past year. When Bush had an incredibly high approval rating right after 9/11, no one was decrying the results as false because of polling trends. Actually, such a response would be more accurate then, since he hadn't even been in office for a full year, so there was no hard basis for such a high approval. However, after being in office for 7 awful years, there are so many solid reasons for such a low approval rating. Blaming it on "polling trends" is a lame cop out.

Car_Ramrod: Prove it.

I dont have numbers to back this up. It's just a feeling I have. That and I am having trouble finding anything or anyone polling high now a days.

Car_Ramrod: This is not a new thing, the public has been that way for more than just the past year. When Bush had an incredibly high approval rating right after 9/11, no one was decrying the results as false because of polling trends. Actually, such a response would be more accurate then, since he hadn't even been in office for a full year, so there was no hard basis for such a high approval. However, after being in office for 7 awful years, there are so many solid reasons for such a low approval rating. Blaming it on "polling trends" is a lame cop out.

Yes people have always been that way. But over the last 2-3 years it looks to me to be increasing.
On the topic of9/11. Judging poll numbers around a major event like that is useless. Hell a post Watergate Nixon would have had great number after that event. Actually I dont remember anyone really talking about poll numbers at that time, we had real shiat to talk about.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I dont have numbers to back this up. It's just a feeling I have. That and I am having trouble finding anything or anyone polling high now a days.


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Except for when certain events artificially prop him up, Bush's approval ratings have consistantly gone down. One can only guess where his approval ratings would've been without 9/11. How do you explain this? This is not a polling trend. This is a shiatty president.

How is this a new problem?

Car_Ramrod

Except for when certain events artificially prop him up, Bush's approval ratings have consistantly gone down. One can only guess where his approval ratings would've been without 9/11. How do you explain this? This is not a polling trend. This is a shiatty president.


Without 9/11, do we have a massively unpopular war in Iraq?

Let me guess... the new GOP talking point will be "b-b-but McCain doesn't have a 20 year relationship with Bush!"

PowerSlacker: Without 9/11, do we have a massively unpopular war in Iraq?

Yes, we would've. 9/11 didn't make the Iraq war possible, it just made it easier.

what_now: You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president. Sure, he's hit some rough patches- he's not perfect-but he's an honorable man who has done his best. When Iraq is a free and democratic society, you'll all see he was right. At the very least, Saddam Hussein is no longer supporting Al Quieda, and he's kept us safe since 9/11, which was really Clinton's fault.

You forgot Poland.

what_now: You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president.


In other news, approximately 70% of the population is now considered "Liberal".

Car_Ramrod: Except for when certain events artificially prop him up, Bush's approval ratings have consistantly gone down. One can only guess where his approval ratings would've been without 9/11. How do you explain this? This is not a polling trend. This is a shiatty president.

Without 9/11 there would be no war. In that case, military spending would be much lower and there would have been more attention paid to domestic policy. One indeed can only guess because it could be higher, lower or holding steady, hence your assumption that it would have definitely been even lower is highly flawed.

/The logic, it fails you

what_now: ...safe since 9/11, which was really Clinton's fault...

I thought it was al Qaeda's fault?

DAMN YOU CLINTON!

*shakes fist*

Car_Ramrod

Yes, we would've. 9/11 didn't make the Iraq war possible, it just made it easier.

You're guessing. It's a reasonable guess, no doubt, but still a guess.

9/11 was the defining event of the W Presidency. Attempting to evaluate his popularity without that event is nonsense.

Of course Bush is less popular than Wright... I mean, Bush is the head of the government that was responsible for releasing the plague of HIV upon minorities.

/I wonder if he's also responsible for the recent bedbug epidemic?

This is a big part of why I think the Dems will win.

Bush didn't win by a huge margin anywhere. I think 4 years of war and general sh*theadedness will convince people to vote Democrat.

I wonder if the general election will see a lot more people voting than in the most recent election cycles.

rocinante721: Bush is gone in a few months.

No problem.

You know how Republicans bring up Chappaquiddick every time Ted Kennedy's name gets mentioned? 40 years after the fact?

Bush is Chappaquiddick, but for the entire GOP. 40 years is a long time. I suggest you mentally prepare yourself now.

Car_Ramrod: This is not a polling trend. This is a shiatty president.

It is a polling trend that indicates the president is shiatty.

alacy52: Without 9/11 there would be no war. In that case, military spending would be much lower and there would have been more attention paid to domestic policy. One indeed can only guess because it could be higher, lower or holding steady, hence your assumption that it would have definitely been even lower is highly flawed.

/The logic, it fails you

PowerSlacker: You're guessing. It's a reasonable guess, no doubt, but still a guess.

9/11 was the defining event of the W Presidency. Attempting to evaluate his popularity without that event is nonsense.

*sigh* Do I really need to bring up how Bush Co. was looking for excuses from day one concerning going into Iraq? Here's a starter (new window). They were going to invade Iraq no matter what.

This may surprise many of you and Kos but Bush isn't running of any office this season.

Dancin_In_Anson: That's going to cost him the 08 nomination!

Bush or Wright?

what_now: You know, it's only the hateful liberals who think President Bush is a bad president. Sure, he's hit some rough patches- he's not perfect-but he's an honorable man who has done his best. When Iraq is a free and democratic society, you'll all see he was right. At the very least, Saddam Hussein is no longer supporting Al Quieda, and he's kept us safe since 9/11, which was really Clinton's fault.

Almost perfect. Needed more Libtard though.

9/10

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But he is still more popular then Congress.

Until Floridians get to vote for congressmen in other states (and vice versa x 49 other states) your point is a non-point. The only poll that matters in Congress is the one in that congressman's district.

Car_Ramrod: One can only guess where his approval ratings would've been without 9/11.

While his peak would've been lower, I don't see him sinking this low without 9/11. People did not like his response to September 11th, 2001 (and indirectly from that, the War in Iraq), and have been tearing him down for years. Take away the effects of 9/11, and what is the worst result of any of his other policies? I doubt he would've ever polled better than 55% in such a situation, but I doubt he would've fallen below 35%. There simply would not have been enough to dislike about him, or the things disliked would not have been further emphasized by the perceived failures in national defense.

As it is, I think it is pointless to try to determine his legacy now; that will continue to be determined for a long ways out. I would say we cannot even begin to judge Iraq until full control is handed back to people of Iraq.

hockeyfarker: Bush didn't win by a huge margin anywhere. I think 4 years of war and general sh*theadedness will convince people to vote Democrat.