this narrows the gap by 2. what's the SD gap now? 17?

This is like arguing about which Civil War general was the greatest.

Even if you picked Lee, they still lost.

Hobodeluxe: this narrows the gap by 2. what's the SD gap now? 17?

I believe that puts the SD count at 19...but getting closer all the time.

No milkshake in TFA :(

DarthBrooks: This is like arguing about which Civil War general was the greatest.

I remember that. Good times... ;)

Obama to Hillary: I drink your milkshake. I drink it up

A picture began to form in my mind as I read this...thankfully, I began to vomit before it fully came into focus.

m0llusk: No milkshake in TFA :(

The cake milkshake is a lie!

DarthBrooks: This is like arguing about which Civil War general was the greatest.

Even if you picked Lee, they still lost.

Ironically, it was the Confederate generals who were pretty well established, and it was the Union Generals who were constantly being changed out to find one who would actually fight the war--Until Grant finally came to the fore.

So, in one sense, a more appropriate comparison would have McCain as Lee, and the bumbling Democrats as the Union.

Of course, that wouldn't end the way you might want it to, but the comparison would be better.

Skleenar: So, in one sense, a more appropriate comparison would have McCain as Lee, and the bumbling Democrats as the Union.

So Obama is Sherman??

Sweet.

The Onanist: So Obama is Sherman??

Sweet.

Watch out, Atlanta.

Skleenar: Watch out, Atlanta.

This.

Skleenar: The Onanist: So Obama is Sherman??

Sweet.

Watch out, Atlanta.

I've always like the sea in March.

/wait...what?

should read "liked"

off to grab more coffee

dokool: m0llusk: No milkshake in TFA :(

The cake milkshake is a lie!

Thank God.

When will the final thumbtack be driven through her heart?

Come on IN & NC.

I think us lefties should resist the urge to deify Barack Obama. As this essay by Chris Hedges points out, he's not necessarily the Great Liberal Hope that many make him out to be. Nevertheless, he's preferable by far to either Clinton or McCain.

And as for Hillary Clinton, it is, quite frankly, always enjoyable to watch a pathological narcissist's desperate maneuvers to realize her selfish ambitions at everyone else's expense come to nought.

Skleenar
The Onanist: So Obama is Sherman??

Sweet.

Watch out, Atlanta.

I lol'd

Early voted here in Hoosierwood for Obama.

C'mon fellow Hoosiers! Don't fark this up!

we fark stuff up a lot

So does that make Ron Paul Rosencrans?

For the first time ever a poll actually showed Hillary up in NC. If Hillary can take NC away from Obama I dont see how he can make the pitch to the Supers to pick him.
But I have to give Obama some credit, I thought he would crack before PA. I know he could spin well but instead of cracking up he just keeps digging deeper.

This cliche is overused, mainly because the original use of it was decent, but really not that great.

DeadZone: So does that make Ron Paul Rosencrans?

Maybe McClellan? Great organization, rabidly loyal supporters, but ultimately a loser -- who was replaced by a long succession of more big fat losers. As an Obamican, I kinda like the way that plays out.

(Romney's Burnside, McCain's Hooker, etc)

OneNutSaloon: When will the final thumbtack be driven through her heart?

Come on IN & NC.

Obama wins NC by 13%
Clinton wins IN by 7%

Just not feeling IN. The Wright thing is going to hurt him there, although ultimately I think Obama's handling of the Wright thing earlier this week will turn into a strength for him. Just not in time for it to help him next week.

Personally I don't think he'd have won there even without Wright, there are just too many 'Hillary Type' voters there.

Stupid Floppy Clownshoes: DeadZone: So does that make Ron Paul Rosencrans?

Maybe McClellan? Great organization, rabidly loyal supporters, but ultimately a loser

And a former Presidential candidate!

McClellan ran on the platform of quitting the Civil War and was ahead in the polling... until Sherman "conquered" Georgia

Skeptos: I think us lefties should resist the urge to deify Barack Obama.

I don't know anyone who deifies him and I live in Lefty heaven. Its just been so long since we had a major political candidate that we could have any degree of enthusiasm for. After years of walking around bitter and disaffected even a little bit of excitement about a candidate appears shocking in the otherwise gloomy mien of us libs.

Sort of like seeing a bunch of librarians break into a jig.

Obama appears to me to be quite human and I like that about him.

Shrugging Atlas: Personally I don't think he'd have won there even without Wright, there are just too many 'Hillary Type' voters there.

Old racist bastards?

a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists (Republican) John McCain

Damn. That's a party leader coming dangerously close to showing leadership. Be careful there Democrats, next thing you know, instead of Bush defining your policies by negation you'll start have ideas of your own and a president who might stand behind them.
danger! danger!

OneNutSaloon: Old racist bastards?

Don't forget her key demographic: The uneducated.

You'd think there would be a lot of "Hillary type" voters here, especially where I am (Southern Indiana, the part that's really Kentucky). But I've yet to see a Hillary bumpersticker, sign, button or any other item of endorsement. Lots of Obama stuff, though.

No McCain flair either, funnily.

It will be close, however, and she'll probably win by a couple of points, which she'll consider The People's Mandate that she continue crashing around the country like a toddler on crank.

I thought McCain was the only one allowed to flip-flop in this race.

Everybody complains that the primary process is dragging on and hurting both candidates...

except there's no such thing as bad publicity...every day Obama's name is in the news, the more people are paying attention to him and ignoring McCain...that can only be positive, and the way Obama's handled everything, it'll be a HUGE plus for him in the coming weeks.

It's not going to affect NC or IN...but it will let him raise a LOT more money from people who want to beat Hillary with their vote, and their wallet...

The breakdown is cleanest when it's analyze by age and Indiana is a younger state. The factory worker demographic is inherently skewed because of the "service economy" migration. Not that many young people go to work blue collar stuff anymore so it's an inherently skewed demographic.

That said, the older demographic does vote in greater numbers.

Shrugging Atlas: Just not feeling IN

Christ...you sound like my wife.

Does the DNC selection process seem totally farked up?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: For the first time ever a poll actually showed Hillary up in NC. If Hillary can take NC away from Obama I dont see how he can make the pitch to the Supers to pick him.

I don't think he needs to worry about NC, but the lowered expectations sure can't hurt. The thing with this is that Obama only needs to make his pitch resonate with something like 1/3 of remaining undeclared superdelegates. It's actually very likely that he already has that many locked down, but just not saying anything yet. He stumbled a bit with the Wright thing, but he knows what he's doing. He knows that he can't let it look like he wants the supers to decide before voters stop voting or a lot of Clinton voters will be turned off. He's letting them trickle for now to keep some momentum, but expect a big wave of superdelegates the first week in June.

MugzyBrown: This cliche is overused, mainly because the original use of it was decent, but really not that great.

TMBGfreak: I've always like the sea in March.

As someone who has been to sea off of the Carolinas in March I say "Not so much".

/Green water over the bridge sucks when all you have to rely upon is an exposure suit and a safety harness with a closed hatch below you
//lookout
///you know it's bad when the navigator tells you to watch the waves instead of looking out for other ships
////we both got very wet... but we didn't get hurt
////slashies

The only question left is: When will Hillary drop out? Next week? Memorial Day? At the convention?

Best Milkshake: Arby's Jamocha or McDonalds Shamrock Shake?

I think Clinton supporters would choose the coffee-infused, hard-workin', leather-colored Jamocha. While Obama supporters would go for whichever was free.

Paedophile_Deluxe: The Stealth Hippopotamus: For the first time ever a poll actually showed Hillary up in NC. If Hillary can take NC away from Obama I dont see how he can make the pitch to the Supers to pick him.

I don't think he needs to worry about NC, but the lowered expectations sure can't hurt. The thing with this is that Obama only needs to make his pitch resonate with something like 1/3 of remaining undeclared superdelegates. It's actually very likely that he already has that many locked down, but just not saying anything yet. He stumbled a bit with the Wright thing, but he knows what he's doing. He knows that he can't let it look like he wants the supers to decide before voters stop voting or a lot of Clinton voters will be turned off. He's letting them trickle for now to keep some momentum, but expect a big wave of superdelegates the first week in June.

From Marc Ambinder

AN OBVIOUS question about the Insider Advantage numbers is that Obama receives only 65% of the black vote in the sample; also, blacks tend to make up about 40% of the NC electorate - they're 37% of the early voters -- and yet they're 25% of the electorate in the IA poll.

seems to underestimate Obama support significantly.

danlpoon: McDonalds Shamrock Shake

This

danlpoon: Best Milkshake: Arby's Jamocha or McDonalds Shamrock Shake?


A COOK-OUT Vanilla Malt, please. I'll take a cheeseburger, too.

Oh look 3 more supers for Obama ...the drip is becoming steady

Simplest Quantum System Conceivable: AN OBVIOUS question about the Insider Advantage numbers is that Obama receives only 65% of the black vote in the sample; also, blacks tend to make up about 40% of the NC electorate - they're 37% of the early voters -- and yet they're 25% of the electorate in the IA poll.

seems to underestimate Obama support significantly.

That poll is as full of fail as the one by PPP that had Obama up by 3 in PA 2 days before the election. No rational person pointed to that PPP poll as an indicator of problems for Hillary, and truth be told, no rational person in this thread has pointed to the IA poll being a problem for Obama either.

skirandour: people who want to beat Hillary with their vote, and their wallet...

I want to beat Hillary with a stick.

Paedophile_Deluxe: I don't think he needs to worry about NC, but the lowered expectations sure can't hurt. The thing with this is that Obama only needs to make his pitch resonate with something like 1/3 of remaining undeclared superdelegates. It's actually very likely that he already has that many locked down, but just not saying anything yet. He stumbled a bit with the Wright thing, but he knows what he's doing. He knows that he can't let it look like he wants the supers to decide before voters stop voting or a lot of Clinton voters will be turned off. He's letting them trickle for now to keep some momentum, but expect a big wave of superdelegates the first week in June.

If you are right then he smarter then I give him credit for. For some reason whenever any little speed bump gets in his way he tries his hardest to make it into a mountain. For some reason he just cant spin very well. Either this is because he does not have the skills or because he just doesn't understand what the people need to hear. He could have been over and done with this Wright stuff if he just said "Wright has always been very influential and necessary partner in my projects in the community. And for his help I will always be grateful." Boom! Done! The media could translate it for him in to "yeah the boy is crazy but I need him and owe him to much to cut him loose" with the added bonus of being able to list off all the projects they did together! And then all the flubs by his wife could have been handled easier. It just feels like Obama had her in check so many times and for some reason shoots himself in the foot.

A COOK-OUT Vanilla Malt, please. I'll take a cheeseburger, too.

That meal would provide me quarts of mucous. I'd need a snot-snorkel after all that dairy.

Simplest Quantum System Conceivable: AN OBVIOUS question about the Insider Advantage numbers is that Obama receives only 65% of the black vote in the sample; also, blacks tend to make up about 40% of the NC electorate - they're 37% of the early voters -- and yet they're 25% of the electorate in the IA poll.

seems to underestimate Obama support significantly.

This only helps them in the spin war. Overperforming vs. polls seems to really excite the talking heads.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you are right then he smarter then I give him credit for. For some reason whenever any little speed bump gets in his way he tries his hardest to make it into a mountain. For some reason he just cant spin very well. Either this is because he does not have the skills or because he just doesn't understand what the people need to hear. He could have been over and done with this Wright stuff if he just said "Wright has always been very influential and necessary partner in my projects in the community. And for his help I will always be grateful." Boom! Done! The media could translate it for him in to "yeah the boy is crazy but I need him and owe him to much to cut him loose" with the added bonus of being able to list off all the projects they did together! And then all the flubs by his wife could have been handled easier. It just feels like Obama had her in check so many times and for some reason shoots himself in the foot.

You're right about the Wright situation, at least. Obama himself doesn't seem to be a natural spinner, which kind of fits in with his narrative. He's a great politician, but he doesn't seem to enjoy the spin war side of things. He and his campaign are definitely good at the long-term side of things though. Even if they haven't conquered the 24-hour news cycle, they still have a far superior long-term delegate strategy.