I'm not voting for Elinor this year, either.

bronyaur1: I'm not voting for Eleanor this year, either.

I probably would, were she alive.

This is why once you get out in the real world, you're very disappointed by what lesbians are like in person. I mean, here's what Elenaor was tagging while FDR was off with his secretary:



/that's a man, baby

I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

I thought Polio made everything below his waist not work.

/Aisle seat
//I'd like some peanuts and a pillow

PseudoNic: I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

The fundies say that's not happening on their watch, guy.

Well this should be some trollbait. In b4 the zomg socialist angle and which judges he thought about appointing while cheating on Eleanor.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: I thought Polio made everything below his waist not work.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he wasn't a fan of doggy style.

Third Day Mark
The fundies say that's not happening on their watch, guy.
He's not your guy, friend!

I don't give a rat's ass which president is farking which chick. I'm more interested in the job he's doing as president. But then, I'm in the minority

rburp: Third Day Mark
The fundies say that's not happening on their watch, guy.
He's not your guy, friend!

I'm not your friend, buddy.

/We want more muh-nay

New book tells about a US President who screws around with lots of women while his wife cousin thinks she's he's president. Is it about the Clintons? Nope, try FDR

/FTFY

Eleanor Roosevelt was a great human being, unlike Hilary Clinton. She opposed internment and was an ardent anti-racist. FDR was a terrible human being who conspired to provoke to attack us, but he did manage to create decent social programs.

The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor (new window)

Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization (new window)

Apparently the polio only affected two out of three legs.

heh... subby said screwed.

To be honest, before finishing the headline, I assumed it would be Reagan. Nancy (allegedly, of course) exerted a great deal of control while Ronnie was entering the early stage of Alzheimer's.

Suicidal Writer: Eleanor Roosevelt was a great human being, unlike Hilary Clinton. She opposed internment and was an ardent anti-racist. FDR was a terrible human being who conspired to provoke to attack us, but he did manage to create decent social programs.

The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor (new window)

Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization (new window)

Yeah...

"This article does not cite any references or sources."

"This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications."

I'm normally generous to Wiki, but this article doesn't even contain a source.

PseudoNic: I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

He just doesn't get to lie about it, under oath.

Scerpes: PseudoNic: I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

He just doesn't get to lie about it, under oath.

Legally, he didn't (oral not being "sexual relations"), which is why he was acquitted. It's a stupid parsing of the rule, but much less so than the fact Mr. Clinton was scrutinized about this at all.

How could you be unfaithful to that? If I was Frankie D I'd be tappin dat ass every night fo sho.

Has there ever been a President who has been faithful?
Perhaps our current prez, and it seems our lives would be better if he was getting some tail on the side.

BTW the FDR thing is old news. I've known this for decades.

MOST. OVERRATED. PRESIDENT. EVAR.

This patrician with a silver tongue stretched did many harmful things:

1. The "Depression" should have lasted 3-4 years. FDR stretched it to 10, and it would have continued if not for WW2.

2. Bill Clinton and Kennedy chased less tail in office than this guy.

3. Anyone on the Huffington Post or who actually believes Michael Moore's tripe about the Supreme Court handing the election to W knows the excesses that FDR did with the supreme court. Justices who voted against him were threatened with forced retirement. He tried to increase the # of judges on the supreme court just so he could stuff it with his minions.

4. Running 4 times - we pretend to take offence at other countries' presidents-for-life

5. Japanese Americans have their own grievances about FDR that are way worse than Arab Americans getting a hassle in today's airports.

When Kim Jong Il makes himself indispensable to his people, in their minds, by causing their suffering, we are offended. When FDR did a kindergarten version of the same thing - creating a cult of personality, ruining the economy through statist incompetent boobery, we all get Stockholm Syndrome and call him a hero?!

more light reading - Link (new window)

FDR was having sex with Lucy Mercer till he got caught, that's pretty much a given. Unless this guy has some new, real, evidence, nothing says he cheated after that, although he flirted like crazy. And Eleanor never ran the country. FDR had wingmen who would keep her away some of the time because she had no self-awareness of when to shut up about social issues.

keloyd: 1. The "Depression" should have lasted 3-4 years. FDR stretched it to 10, and it would have continued if not for WW2.

Tsk, tsk. FDR came into office 4 years after the crash.

You have to admire the balls of a guy who would have his mistress in the car as he was formally sworn in as president.

Jacobin: I don't give a rat's ass which president is farking which chick. I'm more interested in the job he's doing as president. But then, I'm in the minority

You and me both, brother.

Keloyd

1. I'm not an economics expert. Neither are you; you're just a right-winger parroting talking points. I have no idea if you're right or not, but I have to say I'm a little doubtful that the depression was just about to end when FDR got elected and ruined it. I do know that the amount of stock market crashes has been far less in the post-FDR era(indeed, wikipedia doesn't list one until they move away from his reforms and onto the Bretton Woods system) and that people aren't losing their life savings as often because of stuff like FDIC.
2. So? What does marital fidelity prove about the ability
3. This was the court which considered child labor laws unconstitutional, based on some ridiculous reading of laissez-faire economic theory into the constitution. It's decisions were based on a reflexively pro-business, anti-labor ideological agenda far moreso than the text of the constitution.
4. And he won handily each time in free and fair elections. We take umbrage at dictators, for the most part, not people popular enough to win term after term. (Chavez being the exception, but do you really think that's *why* the US government dislikes Chavez?) Why shouldn't the people be allowed to choose their leaders, just because they have a proven record of success?
5. No one's perfect. This is indefensible.

Shaggy_C-

FDR was elected November, 1932, and my 3-4 years guess came from a few authors that make up a large minority of economist/historians who are not fans of FDR. The Depression's beginning is subject to some interpretation as well. It was 3 years from the big stock market crash, months later when unemployment spiked, but agriculture had been in a funk before a few years already.

Oh - and he put everyone on welfare by various names. Medicare and social security are just lipstick on a pig to get people with self respect onto the dole.

/Gubment is not yo mama.

keloyd: 1. The "Depression" should have lasted 3-4 years. FDR stretched it to 10, and it would have continued if not for WW2.

There's no revisionism like conservative revisionism.

keloyd: Oh - and he put everyone on welfare by various names. Medicare and social security are just lipstick on a pig to get people with self respect onto the dole.

Yeah, that's a real cynical way to put it. Social programs are ugly to you, I get it.

Still, the labor reforms were working and the War screwed them up. Everyone drop and run, pick up a gun.

America will be better when we get FDR off our money and put Reagan in his place.

/Social Security is a failed plan and needs to die a quick death.

drew. something wrong?

1. The "Depression" should have lasted 3-4 years. FDR stretched it to 10, and it would have continued if not for WW2.

FAIL. The economy began to recover in 1936, slowly but surely. WW2 just made the growth speed up.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: 1. The "Depression" should have lasted 3-4 years. FDR stretched it to 10, and it would have continued if not for WW2.

FAIL. The economy began to recover in 1936, slowly but surely. WW2 just made the growth speed up.

Double Fail: The United States went through a sharp economic downturn in 1937 where unemployment rose from 5 million to 12 million and manufacturing output was significantly reduced.

BirdBoy2000
1. I have 2 1/2 business degrees and love me some history. Holding a grudge against FDR has run in my family since my grandfather voted against him all 4 times. What you call 'right wing talking points', I call revisionist history and brevity, which is the soul of wit.

2. I actually prefer a president who gets some nookie on the side, they seem more relaxed. No points deducted from his score for this. Maybe Wilson would have not bothered with the savage nihilism that was WW1 if he had some extracurricular hobbies.

3. A more probusiness, antistatist attitude would have been helpful, had FDR followed the law. For frak's sake, FDR jailed people who charged too little once he set price controls, and forbade you going into the butcher and choosing your own chicken. The butcher had to choose one for you and charge the Government's controled price for it. I can't remember the Supreme Court case for the chicken thing, but George Leef wrote a book that mentioned it and the public at that time was less than sympathetic to, ahem, kosher butchers.

4. It was repugnant to even run more than twice for president. Chavez has supressed the media and found many subtle ways to round off things in his favor. I agree with your last point though; we have always been a force for whatever happens to serve our interest in South America, more than democracy.

It's too late at night to dig up citations, but I distinctly remember that wages were pretty stable during the depression, as a whole. While unemployment soared, those with work were paid about the same wage as before the depression, on the whole.

One exception - civil servants took either a 10 or 15% hit.

Many econ grad students cut their teeth on this hiccup of market forces.

Time for bed so that I can be sharp tomorrow for more revisionist mischief.

keloyd: It's too late at night to dig up citations, but I distinctly remember that wages were pretty stable during the depression, as a whole. While unemployment soared, those with work were paid about the same wage as before the depression, on the whole.

Yeah real stable wages. For the few that could find the work to earn them. Let them eat cake.

Finally a Clinton thread. Fark you almost went one whole day. Was wondering when you would snap out of it.

RadicalMiddle: Has there ever been a President who has been faithful?
Perhaps our current prez, and it seems our lives would be better if he was getting some tail on the side.

BTW the FDR thing is old news. I've known this for decades.

Well, it's hard for mass murderers to get tail. 4000 dead soliders, unknown number of Iraqis on his hands, that is a turn off to the chicks.

/yeah, righties.
//I just called your hero is a mass murderer.
///deal with it.

What's the book? Roosevelt After Inauguration?

FDR was a terrible human being, but a great President

keloyd:

FDR was elected November, 1932, and my 3-4 years guess came from a few authors that make up a large minority of economist/historians who are not fans of FDR. The Depression's beginning is subject to some interpretation as well. It was 3 years from the big stock market crash, months later when unemployment spiked, but agriculture had been in a funk before a few years already.

Oh - and he put everyone on welfare by various names. Medicare and social security are just lipstick on a pig to get people with self respect onto the dole.

/Gubment is not yo mama.


If you don't shut up, I'm going to give myself a concussion from repeatedly slapping my forehead.

Third Day Mark: PseudoNic: I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

The fundies say that's not happening on their watch, guy.

usually I'd have serious problems with a president having sex with someone they are not married to, comes down to a case of character and trustworthiness in my book, however, FDR was married to his cousin, so if infidelity replaces incest I have a little less problem with it.

//don't make fun of the south when the last serious Yankee to hold the office married his cousin.

RandomExcess: America will be better when we get FDR off our money and put Reagan in his place.

/Social Security is a failed plan and needs to die a quick death.

The idea of putting Reagan on money is absolutely insane. I mean. . . what did Reagan do? fark up the economy and claim to take down the Soviet Union, far more Gorbachev's doing than Reagan's. Hell, we would probably been better off if the Union stuck around with Gorby at the head. He was a reasonable and intelligent guy. Not like the drunk Yeltzin and his fascist successor.

saintstryfe: RadicalMiddle: Has there ever been a President who has been faithful?
Perhaps our current prez, and it seems our lives would be better if he was getting some tail on the side.

BTW the FDR thing is old news. I've known this for decades.

Well, it's hard for mass murderers to get tail. 4000 dead soliders, unknown number of Iraqis on his hands, that is a turn off to the chicks.

/yeah, righties.
//I just called your hero is a mass murderer.
///deal with it.

FDR administration had > 400,000 dead U.S soldiers, and masterminded a scheme with 2 other major powers and about 40 smaller ones to senselessly murder 35 Million Germans.

//yeah lefties
//I just called your hero a mass murderer
///deal with it

PseudoNic: I have no issue with my president getting some action on the side. He's got a stressful job, some would say the most stressful in the world. He's earned a beej from an intern.

Raise the farking bar, dammit. Interns?! Please. This is the president we're talking about, not some middle-management loser. And if my president is to be getting some strange, I want him banging the daylights out of, for example, Monica Bellucci.

hetheeme: /I just called your hero a mass murderer

Sorry, doesn't work that way. WWII was an officially declared war, and proved to be a world emergency pretty much everyone could get behind.

Bush has yet to answer for his war crimes.

Remove all Republicans:I wouldn't respond to the right-wing trolls. All it does is encourage them.

How do you define yourself?

You're a left-wing troll. A very ignorant one, at that.

Remove all Republicans: RemyDuron: The idea of putting Reagan on money is absolutely insane. I mean. . . what did Reagan do?

Given the $1 trillion deficit, maybe it is appropriate to put Reagan on the currency he made worthless.

It was Nixon, no Reagan that screwed us. Unstable currency FTW.

Try LBJ. The guy had the secret service install a buzzer system just so he'd know when his wife was leaving the living quarters. He would put his dick in anything that moved.