Under Howard Dean the Dems have regained Congress and are raiseing more money than the Republicans for the first time in decades.

Atillathepun: Under Howard Dean the Dems have regained Congress and are raiseing more money than the Republicans for the first time in decades.

and to some people, that is simply unacceptable.

mostly republicans.

Democrats are on pins and needles waiting for the next hotte tippe from the schmucks at dRed State Amerikkan.

Carville can DIAF. He's the architect of the "Democrats need to sound like Republicans" strategy Hillary Clinton is clinging to.

Dean is 10x better than Terry McAuliffe. McAuliffe is now running HillBilly's campaign.

Yes! Democrats need to stop out fund raising the GOP and beating the crap out of them in elections in safe "Republican" areas. Bring back the DLC and it's unsurpassed record of defeat.

I love how concerned the Republicans are about the Democratic party. Now if you can just get your members to stop cornholing each other in public restrooms or being indicted in scandal after scandal, maybe I could give two shiats about your thoughts.

But on the other hand, Dean should have stepped his ass up very early and told Hillary to STFU and GTFO.

But on the other hand, Dean should have stepped his ass up very early and told Hillary to STFU and GTFO.

Yeah, 'cos the Clintons just do what they're told to do.

Idiot.

fark that. Keep Dean, excommunicate Carville.

Bufu: Yeah, 'cos the Clintons just do what they're told to do.

Idiot.

Jackass. If Dean had come out and publicly told them to STFU, then theyd have had a very hard time carrying on their attempts to ruin the Dems. Other Dems could have come out to support Dean too, further making the Clintons battle an uphill one. Since he's stayed quiet, they are free to do as they please. Follow? Didnt think so.

Dean has been great for the party and frankly I wish he would have been the presidential candidate in 2004 rather than Kerry. The fact hes not forcing Hillary to concede just shows tact on his part. If he pressured her to end her campaign then her supporters would feel cheated. As it is she won't win, Barack is holding his own just fine and everyone feels like they got to participate. I doubt anyone else in charge of the DNC would handle things better.

BladBoy: I love how concerned the Republicans are about the Democratic party. Now if you can just get your members to stop cornholing each other in public restrooms or being indicted in scandal after scandal, maybe I could give two shiats about your thoughts.

Are you suggesting Carville is a Republican? WTF?

I use to be a huge fan of Carville, but like the Clintons, the more this primary goes on, the more i see how selfish they really are. At least Begala is a bit more open-minded.

Wil_Mahfingahdo: Jackass. If Dean had come out and publicly told them to STFU, then theyd have had a very hard time carrying on their attempts to ruin the Dems. Other Dems could have come out to support Dean too, further making the Clintons battle an uphill one. Since he's stayed quiet, they are free to do as they please. Follow? Didnt think so.

Dean doesn't really have that much pull in the party. The DLC (which Carville is a member of) hate him essentially because he's proved that their strategy of not contesting places they expect to lose is basically a load of crap and that trying to get votes everywhere both allows victories when unexpected events occurred, and build the party for the next election(s), which has the long-term effect of winning places that Democrats wouldn't even be competitive in the past.

That said, Carville calling Dean incompetent for successfully bringing about the largest victory for the Democrats since 1964 is freakin' crazy.

Begala = douchebag
Carville = Gollum-like douchebag

He's only saying this now because Dean's one of the reasons why Hillary isn't win.

They were listening, they just couldn't understand what the hell he was saying.

Howard Dean = 50 state strategy = Sen. Tester (Montana), Sen. McCaskill (Missouri), Sen. Webb (Virginia), and a bunch of House seats = New Congressional majority.

Carville, Begala, McAuliffe = architects of the 1994 bloodbath that the Democrats still haven't recovered from.

Don't let the door hit ya, boys.

Lawnchair: Carville, Begala, McAuliffe = architects of the 1994 bloodbath that the Democrats still haven't recovered from.

this.

Democrats should ignore advice from blogs named "red state" anything.

Carville is complete scum.

Thanks for the in-depth and insightful article. I couldn't read it all in one sitting, but it's bookmarked for tomorrow.

Carville's just pissed that Dean hasn't used any executive powers to give the nomination to Clinton yet. Failing that, he's pissed Dean hasn't granted MI and FL's delegates to Hilary either.

If Limbaugh can dream of riots at the Democratic Convention, can I dream of someone doing a Bhutto on the Clintons (including that rat bastard Carville)?

thank you concern trolls

Dean can't force Hillary to quit because she has the support of about 50% of the party. And it's not the little internet hipsters who are voting for Hillary it's the bedrock Democrats voting for her.

Telling Hillary to quit is like telling Gore not to contest the Florida votes in 2000... oh wait...

Komplex Quote 2008-04-27 07:53:16 PM
Dean can't force Hillary to quit because she has the support of about 50% of the party. And it's not the little internet hipsters who are voting for Hillary it's the bedrock Democrats voting for her.


You are right that Dean can't tell Hillary to quit, but you are completely worng that Hillary's support is the "bedrock of the Democratic" party.

Quite the opposite.

Hillary's support is amongst low-information voters, racists, Hispanics (who often vote republican) and "reagan democrats" who are named that because they freely jump to the republican party.

Obama's 50+% of the party includes the most loyal voting groups, like african americans, and the democratic activists and wealthy liberals that actually do all the work and raise all the money to keep the Democratic party alive.

The Democratic party would be abovsultely nothing without Obama's coalition.

Komplex: Dean can't force Hillary to quit because she has the support of about 50% of the party. And it's not the little internet hipsters who are voting for Hillary it's the bedrock Democrats voting for her.

Telling Hillary to quit is like telling Gore not to contest the Florida votes in 2000... oh wait...

50% of the party? You might take a look at the popular vote again, and then subtract about 15% of her totals for republicans voting in the democratic primary to keep this thing going. That number is actually about 35% if that.

Here's Carville as the 2002 midterm results came in lvie on TV:


Yeah, that's him under the trashcan. I had hoped that would be his swan song , but he keeps coming back. Considering his various political consulting ties to both parties and what Bob Woodward wrote (pops) about him allegedly tipping of the White House on Kerry campaign strategy in 2004, I usually just ignore him these days.

and I might want to learn to subtract before I hit add comment. 25% of the party tops.

Dean and Obama are the future of Democrat Party. They understand the power of the internet and the continuous news cycles.

I doubt Dean is the reason the dems are outraising the GOP. Terry Schiavo coulda run the DNC and still outraised the GOP in this political climate. He may have a small part, but I think the GOP is helping the dems outraise the GOP.

50% of the party? You might take a look at the popular vote again, and then subtract about 15% of her totals for republicans voting in the democratic primary to keep this thing going. That number is actually about 35% if that.

What I don't understand is why people dont' call Hillary out on the fact that she is only winning primaries because of the female vote.

She has a solid bloc of female voters who are sticking by her no matter what. That is all fine and good, but Democratic primaries are 60% or more female. General elections don't work that way.

She is only winning because of her gender.

It would be like if Obama had lost every chance of the nomination yet kept staying in because the campaign was going through a string of every black southern state.

Bill Frist: 50% of the party? You might take a look at the popular vote again, and then subtract about 15% of her totals for republicans voting in the democratic primary to keep this thing going. That number is actually about 35% if that.

What I don't understand is why people dont' call Hillary out on the fact that she is only winning primaries because of the female vote.

She has a solid bloc of female voters who are sticking by her no matter what. That is all fine and good, but Democratic primaries are 60% or more female. General elections don't work that way.

She is only winning because of her gender.

It would be like if Obama had lost every chance of the nomination yet kept staying in because the campaign was going through a string of every black southern state.

Because it's a bullshiat point. It could easily be turned around to. Obama is doing better with black people than Hillary is with women. I understand that women want the first women president, that voting for a women for president is a relatively new and exciting thing. It's something Barack has to deal with, it has nothing to do with the "selfishness" of women, just another factor of this very exciting race between two firsts.

However, that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have had very little success compared to Obama is a sign that Obama is pulling with something other than his skin color. The problem is not that people are voting for Hillary because she is a woman, the problem is that that's pretty much the only reason people are voting for HIllary anymore. People vote for Barack because he's black, young, a good speaker, sound on policy, a constitutional scholar, etc etc.

jocutus: Yeah, that's him under the trashcan. I had hoped that would be his swan song , but he keeps coming back. Considering his various political consulting ties to both parties and what Bob Woodward wrote (pops) about him allegedly tipping of the White House on Kerry campaign strategy in 2004, I usually just ignore him these days.

I want to go back in time and take everyone sitting at that table, and sew their lips shut permanently.

Atillathepun: Under Howard Dean the Dems have regained Congress and are raiseing more money than the Republicans for the first time in decades.

You can't be serious. The Dems regained Congress thanks to the Republicans' guilt-by-association to the largely-despised Bush Administration. As for the fundraising, that's entirely Barack Obama's success, not Dean's. Hillary certainly isn't working any miracles collecting donations.

EdgeRunner: Atillathepun: Under Howard Dean the Dems have regained Congress and are raiseing more money than the Republicans for the first time in decades.

You can't be serious. The Dems regained Congress thanks to the Republicans' guilt-by-association to the largely-despised Bush Administration. As for the fundraising, that's entirely Barack Obama's success, not Dean's. Hillary certainly isn't working any miracles collecting donations.

Obama is using Dean's blueprint for internet fundraising. DUMBASS. And while the colossal failure of the Republican party is largely responsible for the 2006 elections, Dean's 50 state strategy CERTAINLY helped to swing some formerly unwinnable places over to the Democrats.

Republicans created the opportunity, Dean seized it.

RemyDuron

Jesus, your reading comprehension is horrible. The point is not that it is a shame that women are voting for hillary, but that her stregnth in recent primaries is NOT something that translates into the general election. Her claims that she is more likely to win Ohio or Texas because she won them in the primary is idiotic. She won't have that gender advantage in the fall.

And yes, it is equally as dumb as the Obama supporters who try to pretend Obama might win Gerogia or MIssissippi, but the Obama campaign itself doens't promote those myths like the Clinton campaign does.

As for the fundraising, that's entirely Barack Obama's success, not Dean's.

Even though the DNC under Dean has had great fundraising for years before Obama ran for office?

I had never heard the term "concern troll" before this election. It is darn handy. I have met plenty of concern trolls in RL.

It could be argued that Hillary's entire campaign since Feb. 5 has been based on concern trolling. She would drop out except that she is so concerned that Obama is unelectable.

wtf is a concern troll

Hey Republicans,
We're not telling you how to crash your car, don't tell us how to crash ours.

I like Dean. And that is before comparing him to the republic counterparts. Mehlman is a jackass and so is Martinez.

Carville and his ilk were a reaction to the trouncing Democrats got during the Reagan/Bush years due to perceived weakness. But it's always been a compromise necessary to get elected, and limits what a candidate can do. With Obama drawing broad, genuine support across the country and doing a damn fine job of transcending that kind of politics, there's an opportunity to get Democrats elected without that kind of crap.

But they are desperately holding on, refusing to give up, out of desperation, pessimism, or a need to hold onto the influence they have, and they'll tear the party in half if that's what it means. Their chorus is "He can't, you can't, they won't," and most of Hillary Clinton's political efforts in the past two months have been in that vein.

Atillathepun: Obama is using Dean's blueprint for internet fundraising. DUMBASS.

Bill Frist: Even though the DNC under Dean has had great fundraising for years before Obama ran for office?

Ok ok, I admit I haven't really paid attention to the DNC's fundraising over the last few years, and I have no idea what I'm talking about. But that's my perogative as a Farker, so I stand by my insistence that Obama deserves all the credit. I won't credit Dean, because he looks funny and probably smells funny too. So there.

EdgeRunner: Ok ok, I admit I haven't really paid attention to the DNC's fundraising over the last few years, and I have no idea what I'm talking about. But that's my perogative as a Farker, so I stand by my insistence that Obama deserves all the credit. I won't credit Dean, because he looks funny and probably smells funny too. So there.

Someone sign this man up for TotalFark!

Wil_Mahfingahdo: wtf is a concern troll

A concern troll someone who offers "helpful advice" to the opposition that benefits the adviser more than the advisee.

Example: A Republican claiming that if Obama wants to win the election, he needs to stop acting so liberal.

EdgeRunner: Atillathepun: Under Howard Dean the Dems have regained Congress and are raiseing more money than the Republicans for the first time in decades.

You can't be serious. The Dems regained Congress thanks to the Republicans' guilt-by-association to the largely-despised Bush Administration. As for the fundraising, that's entirely Barack Obama's success, not Dean's. Hillary certainly isn't working any miracles collecting donations.


Hillary has raised far more money than McCain, even before McCain became the presumptive nominee.

attackingpencil: Hillary has raised far more money than McCain, even before McCain became the presumptive nominee.

Yes, yes, we've already covered the part where I admitted I don't know what I'm talking about. Now we're at the part where I continue talking anyway.

I could blame Howard Dean for that too, but my real inspiration is Hillary. A few piddling misstatements here and there have never stopped her, so why should I let them stop me?

EdgeRunner But that's my perogative as a Farker, so I stand by my insistence that Obama deserves all the credit.

MoveOn.org deserves the credit. They have at least $100M they're spreading around to get the farthest left candidates (e.g. Barry) elected, thanks to the whacko billionaire funding them.