mccain certainly does romanticize war, if nothing else.

Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain may protest that he hates war, but no American leader has promoted it more avidly. McCain is not only the most hawkish neocon on the horizon but genuinely sees war as America's most ennobling enterprise.

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why do i have the sudden sinking feeling that no matter what, this guy is going to win the election?

kingMountain: why do i have the sudden sinking feeling that no matter what, this guy is going to win the election?

don't worry. the democrats are duking it out right now, but that will be settled soon. they'll still have plenty of time to campaign against mccain.

right now he's getting a free ride in the MSM, but it is so incredibly easy to attack the man... you really only have to use his own words against him. edward r. murrow style... just "interview" clips of him speaking, or whatever. his own words will destroy him.

you remember "read my lips, no new taxes"? that was one sentence. this guy has millions of sound bytes that make him sound like a retard.

burndtdan: you remember "read my lips, no new taxes"? that was one sentence. this guy has millions of sound bytes that make him sound like a retard.

yeah but bush won on that, right, the first time around?

//correct me if i'm wrong, yo

kingMountain: yeah but bush won on that, right, the first time around?

the "read my lips" line was what clinton ran nonstop on commercials against george h.w. bush, and was probably the most memorable and effective attack against him.

you might be right if it won him the election the first time, but it lost it for him the second time. i'm not sure about the first one, i was 6 years old at the time.

but that's what i was getting at. the reason it worked is because bush said one thing, then did another. mccain does that A LOT.

also, damn, i remember that commercial and i was 10 during that election.

burndtdan: mccain certainly does romanticize war, if nothing else.

Well..... five years in a tiger cage tends to do that to you.

burndtdan: this guy has millions of sound bytes that make him sound like a retard.



So did Bush, by 2004, but 29%ers loooove themselves some retard.

Good thing nobody in the whitehouse knows what "bellicose" means - they might be offended.

FTFA: Hamas is a single-issue Palestinian group, focused exclusively on its "territorial dispute" with Israel ...Hamas is an enemy of Israel, not the U.S. Is that a distinction we even recognize any more?"

Hamas' Charter and Covenant: Goals of the HAMAS: 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. (Preamble) The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)

Yeah, I guess Hitler didn't finish the job, did he...

Is there anyone who thinks that Hamas has tried to, will try to, or ever could attack the U.S.? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, not the U.S. Is that a distinction we even recognize any more?

Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11? Did we do something to him first to cause the attacks?

I absolutely hate the stupid liberal blogs that get greenlit. If we stopped our support of Israel, everyone knows that Israel would be overrun by their enemies. And, of course, when the pictures of the slaughtered women and children killed are shown to you, you will be saying "America should do something to stop the annihilation!!!".

Same thing with Iraq...let's pull out and let all the butchering begin. Of course, then the idiots will say "well, it's Bush's fault!". Just saying that will make you feel all better and give some sick justification for allowing it to happen.

/"Free Tibet" teeshirt? What about that Darfur shirt that you don't have that is a region in a much worse situation than Tibet?

steelpeg:



That's a whooooole lot of stupid in one post. Ease up, and spread it out over multiple idiotic rants.

And the award for best rambling right wing rant goes to....

[tears open envelope]

steelpeg for "hitler/binladen/israel/tibet/darfur/iraq/bush"!!!

Congrats.

steelpeg: Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11?

Why, yes, someone did: Bin Laden determined to strike in US

steelpeg: ...If we stopped our support of Israel, everyone knows that Israel would be overrun by their enemies. And, of course, when the pictures of the slaughtered women and children killed are shown to you, you will be saying "America should do something to stop the annihilation!!!".

Same thing with Iraq...let's pull out and let all the butchering begin. Of course, then the idiots will say "well, it's Bush's fault!". Just saying that will make you feel all better and give some sick justification for allowing it to happen.

/"Free Tibet" teeshirt? What about that Darfur shirt that you don't have that is a region in a much worse situation than Tibet?

When you get it through your skull that America is NOT the world's policeman, or the mommy that comes along to tell little Iran to stop pulling Iraq's hair, you'll start to understand why it doesn't need a 'sick justification' to allow these things to happen.

/ And yes, it is Bush's fault. Saddam wasn't a nice guy, but at least more Iraqis were alive with him around - and he was able to keep relative peace in the country. Something America still can't handle.

steelpeg:
Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11?

Yes. Not least because it was his publicly stated intention:

"On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.

...

We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."
World Islamic Front Statement, 23 February 1998

steelpeg: Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11? Did we do something to him first to cause the attacks?

...well, considering A) He had done so before, 2) He had just recently renewed his attacks on American interests, and D) He had been doing this for a good 15 years prior to 9/11 with a message as clear as the beard on his face, I'd say...yeah, everyone thought he'd do it. What no one thought is that the Bush administration would take all of the previous intel and defenses against him actually succeeding in doing it and smashing them to the ground just as he implemented...and thus succeeded. That remains the ultimate failure on the Bush administration.

Retardation is not a virtue, steelpeg

IlGreven:He had been doing this for a good 15 years prior to 9/11...

Actually about ten years. He didn't really focus on the US until after 1990 when the Sauds rejected his offer to lead a bunch of Mujahedin veterans from the war in Afghanistan against Saddam Hussein, issued a warrant for his arrest and forced him into exile while inviting American troops to set up camp in the Holy Land.

/stickler

FTFA: One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, "Stop the bullshiat."

FTFA: One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, "Stop the bullshiat."

Come to think of it....there isn't any way he could do this---because he DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCES between them. He thinks Al-Qaeda is based in Iran.

Could we at least once elect a President that understands something about Islam?

kmmontandon: burndtdan: this guy has millions of sound bytes that make him sound like a retard.



So did Bush, by 2004, but 29%ers loooove themselves some retard.

This may come as a shock to you, but it takes over 50% to win an election, and Bush got the popular vote as well as the electoral college the second time around.

I remember because I made fun of a lot of really dedicated Dems regarding how much better they should feel ow that the guy who won the actual popular vote got the election this time. Ah, college towns, where the electoral college system is only unfair if your guy loses.

Jim_Callahan:
I remember because I made fun of a lot of really dedicated Dems regarding how much better they should feel ow that the guy who won the actual popular vote got the election this time.

I are can haz grammer! Remove the random extra words for a fun party game!

steelpeg: FTFA: Hamas is a single-issue Palestinian group, focused exclusively on its "territorial dispute" with Israel ...Hamas is an enemy of Israel, not the U.S. Is that a distinction we even recognize any more?"

Hamas' Charter and Covenant: Goals of the HAMAS: 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. (Preamble) The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)

Yeah, I guess Hitler didn't finish the job, did he...

Is there anyone who thinks that Hamas has tried to, will try to, or ever could attack the U.S.? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, not the U.S. Is that a distinction we even recognize any more?

Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11? Did we do something to him first to cause the attacks?

I absolutely hate the stupid liberal blogs that get greenlit. If we stopped our support of Israel, everyone knows that Israel would be overrun by their enemies. And, of course, when the pictures of the slaughtered women and children killed are shown to you, you will be saying "America should do something to stop the annihilation!!!".

Same thing with Iraq...let's pull out and let all the butchering begin. Of course, then the idiots will say "well, it's Bush's fault!". Just saying that will make you feel all better and give some sick justification for allowing it to happen.

/"Free Tibet" teeshirt? What about that Darfur shirt that you don't have that is a region in a much worse situation than Tibet?

You might have put it more gracefully, but you are correct in pointing out that ANY course of action that one takes in a cluster-fark like the mid-east is going to involve some difficult moral choices.
But that is true, no matter what choices we make, and that brings us down to making the WISEST choice - wisest for our own nation, and our own people. Our days of playing cop and nanny to the whole damn world need to end, if we are to survive as a nation. It has failed. We are bankrupt, we have compromised our own dearly-held principles, and accomplished nothing.
It is not a choice to be made lightly, but I must insist (with my vote, anyway) that we start minding our own business, and leave the rest of the world to solve it's own problems. And you should not deceive yourself - it is far more that a few Berkely-ite, Che Guevara T-shirt wearing lefties who feel this way. I, for my part, am about as confirmed of an old-school right winger as you're going to find - and I'm sick and tired of this crap. I has gotten US, the American people, nothing but an exhausted treasury, dead soldiers, and the sputum of an ungrateful world in our faces. Fark 'em. Let them learn to live as civilized men, or perish.

Malbar: kmmontandon: That's a whooooole lot of stupid in one post. Ease up, and spread it out over multiple idiotic rants.

You sure showed him, dawg. How could he not see the light after reading such an awesomely intelligent, rational and insightful response like yours!

I don't think that was his goal, genius.

It's so nice to see that the one guy who was the most consistently correct about the Iraq war continues to be talked about as if he were not by ignorant liberal media outlets.

Jeremy Bates: Vote for McCain. I mean, don't you think it's time this country got what it really deserves?

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H.L. Menken.

steelpeg:

Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11? Did we do something to him first to cause the attacks?

I bow before your retard throne.

burndtdan: mccain certainly does romanticize war, if nothing else.

yeah, but there's probably not much romantic about the way he must have smelled when they cracked-open that full body cast he wore for however long. cripes.

McSame = 4 to 8 more years of oil wars and domestic oppression!

/yipp-farking-ie!

tag is taking a nap, I see.

This is why all the Hillary supporters who say they won't vote for Obama (or vice-versa) amuse me. If you're inclined to vote Democratic anyway, would you really vote for this senile old warmongering fark anyway?

Anyone who does not read Glenn Greenwald every day is a political illiterate and should not be allowed to vote.

Somacandra: Could we at least once elect a President that understands something about Islam?

1) It's hot over there!
2) Hot makes you cranky!
3) Cranky plus divine approval for hatred leads to eternal jihad!

Seriously, instead of trying to conquer Islamic hatred, why don't we just send them a bunch of air conditioners?

Jim_Callahan: kmmontandon: burndtdan: this guy has millions of sound bytes that make him sound like a retard.



So did Bush, by 2004, but 29%ers loooove themselves some retard.

This may come as a shock to you, but it takes over 50% to win an election, and Bush got the popular vote as well as the electoral college the second time around.

I remember because I made fun of a lot of really dedicated Dems regarding how much better they should feel ow that the guy who won the actual popular vote got the election this time. Ah, college towns, where the electoral college system is only unfair if your guy loses.

The electoral college system is unfair because it no longer takes into account the actual will of the people.
Now, most of the time, its pretty close once you average it all out, but the system was designed such that you would elect a local-ish representative that you trust to go and weigh the options and cast a vote for the candidate that would best carry out the duties of the office.
Now, we've done away with proportional representation (winner takes all bullshiat), and we've done away with the idea of voting for a representative. We, as a people, vote for President without even knowing the representative's name who is re-casting our vote.
Since the representative always, ALWAYS, just votes for the guy they signed up to represent, we are just voting for President with a majority rule in each state. Thats it.
Thus, either the electoral college needs to be abolished and the vote needs to be made a nationwide majority (because, lets face it, a vote for a democrat in a state like Mississippi is just self-disenfrachisement. Just like a vote for a republican in MA.
Either that, or it needs to be returned to the way it was, which... isn't going to happen, nor should it.
A good compromise would be doing away with the winner takes all crap, so that everyone's vote everywhere counts.

steelpeg: QUIT ATTACKING ME! It's not my fault my brain hasn't processed any new information in over a decade!

Becuase let's face it, he stopped reading at the end of his post.

/And the world keep trollin' on

kingMountain: why do i have the sudden sinking feeling that no matter what, this guy is going to win the election?

The only people who still call themselves republican are pro-war. War mongering during primaries was a sop to them. As he moves toward the general election he will start equivocating on war or tiangulating it, citing its usefulness and uselessness in the same statement. There is'nt snowball's chance in hell that this guy will win in November, mark my words, he will lose and lose big, by atleast 7-15%. Media is busy manufacturing these polls depicting a close race because they want to keep the tension built in for ratings. These polls are pure fiction.

FTFA:

McCain was the neocons' candidate in 2000, McCain adhered to a truer version of the faith during the early years of hubris that followed September 11, and as president McCain would likely pursue policies that will make what we've seen from Bush look like a pale imitation of the real thing. McCain, after all, is the candidate of perpetual war in Iraq.

Stopped reading after that. I can already tell the article is going to be full of stupidity.

steelpeg: Yeah, I guess Hitler didn't finish the job, did he...

You realize that Hitler died three years before Israel declared itself a state right?

Did anyone think that some A-hole named Bin Laden would attack the US before 9/11? Did we do something to him first to cause the attacks?

I really don't understand how someone this monumentally asinine can even dress themselves, or turn on a computer.

I absolutely hate the stupid liberal blogs that get greenlit. If we stopped our support of Israel, everyone knows that Israel would be overrun by their enemies.

First of all, Israel's disputes with it's neighbors are none of our concern. Second, you're a moran if you think Israel isn't more than capable of annihilating just about anyone they damn well please.

And, of course, when the pictures of the slaughtered women and children killed are shown to you, you will be saying "America should do something to stop the annihilation!!!".

You mean like "we" are doing now when the pictures of slaughtered Palestinian women and children are shown to "us"?

Same thing with Iraq...let's pull out and let all the butchering begin.

The butchering began when we destroyed their farking country dumbass.

McCain knows how to treat an enemy.

/Vote for security and liberty.

RandomExcess:
/Vote for security and liberty.

Sorry, GOP doesn't offer either. They provide the illusion of security at the cost of liberty. Voting GOP, gives you neither.

"...childishly bellicose..."

I like that.
It sums up very succinctly the current administration's attitude towards international relations.

Krymore: First of all, Israel's disputes with it's neighbors are none of our concern. Second, you're a moran if you think Israel isn't more than capable of annihilating just about anyone they damn well please.

Not true.

America has used its UN veto more times than every other member combined. Most of those times, it's vetoing anti-Israel actions put forward by other countries. Which is pretty hard to swallow by the rest of the UN, since America doesn't pay its dues as a member.

At least he flies Minmatar.

/should fly a Hurricane

Hamas is a single-issue Palestinian group

We call them terrorists.

Just stick to the story, fellow Republicans: Its Ron Paul's foreign policy thats 'crazy', McCain has everything under control.