will be?

kingMountain: will be?


THIS! American Idol is nothing more than a series of flavor-of-the-hour fads, quickly forgotten by the time of the next season.

But then again pop-music fans are fickle and flakey, and have the attention span of a gnat.

Trance750: THIS! American Idol POP MUSIC is nothing more than a series of flavor-of-the-hour fads, quickly forgotten by the time of the next season.

FTFY. Did you just figure that out?

Unshavenhelga: Trance750: THIS! American Idol POP MUSIC is nothing more than a series of flavor-of-the-hour fads, quickly forgotten by the time of the next season.

FTFY. Did you just figure that out?


No. I've always despised pop music, when even the most talentless hack can become a 'star'

Gimme the Doors and Eric Clapton any day of the week VS the shiat they call 'music' now.

Video killed the radio star.

Well, along with the RIAA.

New Kids on the Block and Will Smith sent music to the grave years ago.

This kind of blatant manufacturing of popstars has been around for a long, long time. American Idol is just another reincarnation.

Trance750: Gimme the Doors and Eric Clapton any day of the week VS the shiat they call 'music' now.

i appreciate someone admitting to being a doors fan without having it drawn shamefully out of them.

//doors fan
//greatest hits albums are for housewives and little girls

jamminatorr!: This kind of blatant manufacturing of popstars has been around for a long, long time. American Idol is just another reincarnation.

take that back!!!

Honestly, I believe that the full length album will go the way of the 45 in the not too distant future.

Would you believe I have never watched that show????

kingMountain: Trance750: Gimme the Doors and Eric Clapton any day of the week VS the shiat they call 'music' now.

i appreciate someone admitting to being a doors fan without having it drawn shamefully out of them.

//doors fan
//greatest hits albums are for housewives and little girls

If i could post crowd clapping, I would.
To those who would mock (or are just unaware), just take a second to actually listen to the lyrics.

/Jim Morrison, American Poet
//of course, I feel the same way about RUSH
///Neil Peart, Canadian Poet

Trance750: No. I've always despised pop music, when even the most talentless hack can become a 'star'

Gimme the Doors and Eric Clapton any day of the week VS the shiat they call 'music' now.

Just because it's "new" music doesn't mean its the pop shiat that they play on American Idol, there is tons of good music out there right now.

Don't forget, The Doors and Eric Clapton shared the charts in the 60's and 70's with an enormous amount of pop drek.

johnny_vegas: /Jim Morrison, American Poet

Morrison's poems don't stand up to scrutiny. They were great lyrics, though.

No it won't.

Not everyone watches that sh*t.

TFA: The classic rockers were built on their own material. There were no song doctors. It was directly from their heart to yours. And this has delivered audiences in some cases 40 years after their debut.

This is so full of shiat it hurts. This isn't rock music. It's pop music and it is what pop music has always been. Pop music is 99% terrible, but that 1% that isn't can sometimes be truly great and last just as long as any classic rock song.

"Will You Love Me Tomorrow" by The Shirelles hit #1 in 1961 and is still as beautiful today as it was then. "Be My Baby" by The Ronettes is a perfect a song as I've ever heard, it's pure joy from start to finish. Brian Wilson called it the best pop record ever and the sound was a huge influence on Pet Sounds.

Both of these songs are products of some of the best "song doctors" who ever worked, brilliant song writers like Carol King and master producers like Phil Spector.

More FTA If you're just singing someone else's song, you're driving the BMW.

That's such boring conventional wisdom, the product of lazy thinking. It doesn't matter who wrote a song. Is In the Wee Small Hours any less of an album because someone else wrote the songs? No. Fark that. Is "Respect" any less of a song because Aretha Frankin was singing someone else's words. No farking way.

A song is a song is a song. When you hear a new song on the radio, do you wait to find out whether the artist also wrote it before deciding if you like it? Or do you react to the music and the melody and the words and the voice as presented to you?

(p.s. The guy's music blog is called "The Lefsetz Letter" and it says "First in Music Analysis". Yeah, you're really breaking new ground there, Bob. This is some cutting edge analysis. What's next? Rap music lyrics can be violent? The Beatles were terrific?)

JerseyTim,

I think you're right. I blame education. We don't write nearly as succinctly as we did in 1961--and mindless fragments have replaced cogent, deliberate language.

With a few exceptions, modern songwriting in the US is dead.

JerseyTim: TFA: The classic rockers were built on their own material. There were no song doctors. It was directly from their heart to yours. And this has delivered audiences in some cases 40 years after their debut.

This is so full of shiat it hurts. This isn't rock music. It's pop music and it is what pop music has always been. Pop music is 99% terrible, but that 1% that isn't can sometimes be truly great and last just as long as any classic rock song.

"Will You Love Me Tomorrow" by The Shirelles hit #1 in 1961 and is still as beautiful today as it was then. "Be My Baby" by The Ronettes is a perfect a song as I've ever heard, it's pure joy from start to finish. Brian Wilson called it the best pop record ever and the sound was a huge influence on Pet Sounds.

Both of these songs are products of some of the best "song doctors" who ever worked, brilliant song writers like Carol King and master producers like Phil Spector.

More FTA If you're just singing someone else's song, you're driving the BMW.

That's such boring conventional wisdom, the product of lazy thinking. It doesn't matter who wrote a song. Is In the Wee Small Hours any less of an album because someone else wrote the songs? No. Fark that. Is "Respect" any less of a song because Aretha Frankin was singing someone else's words. No farking way.

A song is a song is a song. When you hear a new song on the radio, do you wait to find out whether the artist also wrote it before deciding if you like it? Or do you react to the music and the melody and the words and the voice as presented to you?

(p.s. The guy's music blog is called "The Lefsetz Letter" and it says "First in Music Analysis". Yeah, you're really breaking new ground there, Bob. This is some cutting edge analysis. What's next? Rap music lyrics can be violent? The Beatles were terrific?)

The thing with Brian Wilson (absolute genius by the way)is they actually wrote (most) of their music. 90% of the 'artists' today couldn't even tune a guitar if their life depended on it.

They came from a time where artists actually took pride in their works.

Today it's not so much about the music, as it is the "pr packaging"

That show simply panders to people who never would buy real music anyway.

supichoo: That show simply panders to people who never would buy real music anyway.

AI isn't music. It's a popularity contest. And besides Kelly Clarkston, can anybody (without using Google, Yahoo, ect) list the other winners?

Where are they at now?

I think I can rest my case. The brain-damaged pop-music fans discarded them so they can worship their Flavor of The Hour

Unshavenhelga: With a few exceptions, modern songwriting in the US is dead.

Bullshiat. Yes there were some well written pop songs way back, but there were infinitely more really horrible, mainstream, copycat songs that made it up the charts. The music industry machine is churning out crap at the same pace as they did back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, people just tend to forget the shiatty stuff and remember the gems, thats the point of well written music.

There is amazing music being written and produced in the US and around the world today, you just have to sift through the crap... just like every other musical decade.

Mythy: Would you believe I have never watched that show????

I managed to avoid it until about two weeks ago when friend was over and had it on.

Still have not seen, nor desire to see Survivor.

The shiateheads who watch that show have no taste in music to begin with.

Real artists will always emerge.

kanesays: The shiateheads who watch that show have no taste in music to begin with.

Real artists will always emerge.

THIS.


if you think rock is dead, you are not looking hard enough. i am a complete rock snob/ junkie, and even though i hate all this pop crap and american idol stuff, i still find hundreds of records every year worth listening to. do your homework! search out bands to love!

Mythy: Would you believe I have never watched that show????

I've never watched it.

Guess I should just quit writing and recording songs, then.

Seriously, though. There are so many good bands operating now. Maybe I'm lucky to have grown up during the lo-fi tape label / indiepop scene in the 1990s, because it taught me that it's worthwhile to dig and dig and dig until you find the good stuff. The web's accelerated that process for me like I never thought possible.

It's understandable that people don't want to devote time to chasing music, but the ought not dismiss contemporary music when they aren't willing to make an effort to find it. TV and radio makes people think the good stuff should seek them out, but TV has never played the good stuff. Aside from college stations, neither has radio.

Antidamascus: Mythy: Would you believe I have never watched that show????

I've never watched it.

Me either.

I don't understand how/why people keep complaining about American Idol. These days it's really easy to control what media you are exposed to. If you don't like AI, then don't watch. If you hate shiatty pop music on the radio, then don't listen to it.

I don't purposely watch American Idol. That being said there's at least one TV with cable in every room in the building that I work in, and up until the beginning of this month I have worked the evening shift. I try to tune American Idol out when it's on in the the vicinity.

One contestant however did catch my attention. I don't know her name but she was singing some CCR, and other old rock songs and that gal had some soul in her. She looked/sounded a bit like a Joplin knock off. I'll go out on a limb and say I would be willing to buy her album, I really don't care about the results of American Idol. If she were to release an album of her own work that I could classify as old fashioned rock coupled with some covers that wasn't outright pop factory work I would buy it.

Of course winning this contest would likely screw up her talent by placing her directly into the pop mill. I don't know if a winners been anounced yet, if one hasn't, I don't know if she's still on the show. Honestly I would prefer to see her lose the loser competition and make an album anyways.

Trance750: The thing with Brian Wilson (absolute genius by the way)is they actually wrote (most) of their music. 90% of the 'artists' today couldn't even tune a guitar if their life depended on it.

Talk about missing the point... Do you think the Shirelles or the Supremes or Elvis or Sinatra or Aretha wrote their own music and lyrics? No, they had great songwriters like Pomus and Shuman, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Goffin & King and great producers/arrangers like Phil Spector, Smokey Robinson, Sam Phillips and Nelson Riddle.

Almost every girl group of the sixties was entirely manufactured, and yet they produced something beautiful. The difference is, in the 1960s, there were no record executives insisting that everything fitted that week's formula for a hit record. The creative people involved (who were not singer-songwriters, by and large) were left alone and allowed to do creative things.

American Idol is that formulaic approach perfected -- either big syrupy ballads with way-too-much-vibrato, or middle America friendly soft rock and soft country.

You know what's become more annoying than American Idol?

biatching about American Idol.

Unright: I don't understand how/why people keep complaining about American Idol. These days it's really easy to control what media you are exposed to. If you don't like AI, then don't watch. If you hate shiatty pop music on the radio, then don't listen to it.

Kinda hard, when this type of 'mass-produced music' dominates the airwaves. Every song sounds the same, and every group sounds the same.

/Still cannot tell the diff. between Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, and 98 Degrees

My favorite boy band!

Unright: I don't understand how/why people keep complaining about American Idol. These days it's really easy to control what media you are exposed to. If you don't like AI, then don't watch. If you hate shiatty pop music on the radio, then don't listen to it.

Because in spite of never watching it or wishing to, it's constantly jammed down our throats by all its fandiots on every damn 'news' show, talk show and endless promotion bullshiat.

If all you jackasses would just keep its idiocy to yourselves the rest of us wouldn't be so inclined to rant about what flaming bullshiat it, and its fans, is.

Somebody needs to discover the joys of the internet, satellite radio, and local bands.

AI, other than being on some of the news sites I read (or not news in the case of this one), doesn't affect my life one bit. I know what music I like and I know where to get it. I don't need anybody to tell me what's good and what's not. It's not like I'm trying to impress anyone.

Here is the deal: amazing singers?? they're a dime a dozen..

Why dont you have a best pop composer contest?

lets see which one of THESE little a**holes can produce a hit then


simple. no?

Well DUH!!!!

Trance750: supichoo: That show simply panders to people who never would buy real music anyway.

AI isn't music. It's a popularity contest. And besides Kelly Clarkston Clarkson, can anybody (without using Google, Yahoo, ect) list the other winners?

Where are they at now?

I think I can rest my case. The brain-damaged pop-music fans discarded them so they can worship their Flavor of The Hour

Ok, I'll bite.

S1 - Kelly Clarkson (given)
S2 - Ruben Studdard (R&B, out pimping another band-ass R&B record)
S3 - Fantasia Barrino (just go off broadway doing The Color Purple)
S4 - Carrie Underwood (the new face of country, getting inducted into the Opry sometime in may)
S5 - Taylor Hicks (god knows)
S6 - Jordin Sparks (blowing her vocal cords somewhere w/ Alicia Keys)

This has been the music-pretentious class warfare argument since S1. So I don't put a lot of stock in the lamentations.

No, it's just the last nail in a very large coffin.

Demetrius: Honestly, I believe that the full length album will go the way of the 45 in the not too distant future.

That's horrible, but it doesn't mean that I will stop encouraging recording artists to keep making albums.

/recording engineer
//lots of "indie" stuff

Darth Astroglide: Guess I should just quit writing and recording songs, then.

Seriously, though. There are so many good bands operating now. Maybe I'm lucky to have grown up during the lo-fi tape label / indiepop scene in the 1990s, because it taught me that it's worthwhile to dig and dig and dig until you find the good stuff. The web's accelerated that process for me like I never thought possible.

It's understandable that people don't want to devote time to chasing music, but the ought not dismiss contemporary music when they aren't willing to make an effort to find it. TV and radio makes people think the good stuff should seek them out, but TV has never played the good stuff. Aside from college stations, neither has radio.

I'm finding that lately, college radio isn't playing much good stuff either. I just hear a lot of badly done ska, and industrial noise.

What really pisses me off are bands like Franz Ferdinand. They have no farking melody to their music. It's just noise and some guy singing through a megaphone effect, while wearing a matching outfit.

Obligatory.

SnarfVader: Somebody needs to discover the joys of the internet, satellite radio, and local bands.

AI, other than being on some of the news sites I read (or not news in the case of this one), doesn't affect my life one bit. I know what music I like and I know where to get it. I don't need anybody to tell me what's good and what's not. It's not like I'm trying to impress anyone.

Somebody needs to PROMOTE local good bands, instead of ignoring them for shiatty manufactured pop people. I blame the labels! It's that no one at the labels cares about artistic integrity any more, at all. Rap music is a cash cow, because all they do is sample someone else's music, or write a one line keyboard hook and talk over it. It doesn't cost a lot to do this, and I know because I am a recording engineer.

viccellini: Darth Astroglide: Guess I should just quit writing and recording songs, then.

Seriously, though. There are so many good bands operating now. Maybe I'm lucky to have grown up during the lo-fi tape label / indiepop scene in the 1990s, because it taught me that it's worthwhile to dig and dig and dig until you find the good stuff. The web's accelerated that process for me like I never thought possible.

It's understandable that people don't want to devote time to chasing music, but the ought not dismiss contemporary music when they aren't willing to make an effort to find it. TV and radio makes people think the good stuff should seek them out, but TV has never played the good stuff. Aside from college stations, neither has radio.

I'm finding that lately, college radio isn't playing much good stuff either. I just hear a lot of badly done ska, and industrial noise.

What really pisses me off are bands like Franz Ferdinand. They have no farking melody to their music. It's just noise and some guy singing through a megaphone effect, while wearing a matching outfit.

What pisses me off are people who think William Hung can sing. This dude couldn't carry a tune if his life depended on it, yet for some reason, people couldn't get enough of him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hung (for those who are lucky enough not to know who he is

I suddenly feel the need to apologize to David Hasselhoff for calling him the worst thing in music

R33tJaymzEn$0r:
Ok, I'll bite.

S1 - Kelly Clarkson (given)
S2 - Ruben Studdard (R&B, out pimping another band-ass R&B record)
S3 - Fantasia Barrino (just go off broadway doing The Color Purple)
S4 - Carrie Underwood (the new face of country, getting inducted into the Opry sometime in may)
S5 - Taylor Hicks (god knows)
S6 - Jordin Sparks (blowing her vocal cords somewhere w/ Alicia Keys)

This has been the music-pretentious class warfare argument since S1. So I don't put a lot of stock in the lamentations.

And don't forget that other no talent assclown, Jennifer Hudson. She could do no better than only one stinking Academy Award.

Good list. Everyone says Idol sucks, but can't answer for all their successes other than to say they disagree and hate it.

/proud professional musician and certified American Idol lover
//loves watching people succeed instead of resenting it

Trance750: What pisses me off are people who think William Hung can sing.
What pisses me off, are pretentious asswipes that have no idea what th4ey are talking about.

Nobody seriously thought Hung could sing. He never made it past his first audition and never got a gold ticket. He was an exploited trainwreck.

The point I am making is there is 'pop music' is more about the package and less about talent. All you need is a cute face and a good publicist, and then your the media's wet dream.

Thereis more to music than just strutting across the stage and learning how to smile-on-cue, for the camera

All you people claiming to have never watched AI mean to say you decided it was crap with out ever seeing it?I at least watched one episode and never again.

/It is CRAP.
//Probably not the death of music.
///more like a musical coma

What upsets me a lot is that artists such as Patti Smith, and Television would likely never get label attention today.

The labels don't give a toss about quality.