How far have we fallen that a principal speaking the truth is considered a hero. If parents were willing to be parents we wouldn't need dress codes but as it is there are two many distraction in today's schools and any measure that cuts out some of the chaos and allows teachers time to teach is actively welcomed by me.

Arthur Jumbles: but as it is there are two many distraction in today's schools

Apparently.

munchkinette: Arthur Jumbles: but as it is there are two many distraction in today's schools

Apparently.

munchkinette: Arthur Jumbles: but as it is there are two many distraction in today's schools

Apparently.

My school didn't have uniforms. Think of the man I'd be if they had.

Subtard would be appreciated more if s/he read their own submission.

The letter is from a school board member, not a principal.


Any-hoo, this whining is about a heads-up given in preparation for the next school year.
Just how much can a couple sets of slacks and polo shirts cost at Wallyworld or Goodwill, considering the parents have all summer to save up for 'em ??

i'm completely missing something here. How is telling people who can't afford the new uniforms to get over it worthy of a hero tag?

SilentStrider: i'm completely missing something here. How is telling people who can't afford the new uniforms to get over it worthy of a hero tag?

Because submitter is a troll.

What I want to know is, since when does the government have the power to tell people (regardless of age) what to wear?

How is this not a ridiculous overstepping of their constitutional bounds? How can anyone support this blatant authoritarianism?

The gentleman is saying- If you want to attend our schools then dress as requested. A lot of people wear uniforms or standard dress for a particular job. You, "TheCid" are part of the problem with your "Constitutional" nonsense. Uniforms help schools eliminate distractions, and actually cost less than the name brands the kids seem to want. You might want to check on: the military, police, postmen, UPS drivers, nurses, judges, others who are required to wear uniforms.

School uniforms are a stupid idea.

SilentStrider: i'm completely missing something here. How is telling people who can't afford the new uniforms to get over it worthy of a hero tag?

They can't afford it???? riiiiight. they weren't going to buy any new clothes all farkin year for their kid.

I bet that everyone that was biatchin about this has cable, buys beer and smokes.

how could anyone (except the kids) be AGAINST school uniforms? They solve a thousand problems instantly.

bearsfolks: The gentleman is saying- If you want to attend our schools then dress as requested. A lot of people wear uniforms or standard dress for a particular job. You, "TheCid" are part of the problem with your "Constitutional" nonsense. Uniforms help schools eliminate distractions, and actually cost less than the name brands the kids seem to want. You might want to check on: the military, police, postmen, UPS drivers, nurses, judges, others who are required to wear uniforms.

I was not aware that it was mandated to take a job that required people to conform to a strict uniform policy.

Good to identify yet another person who's part of the problem with this nation. Farking authoritarian followers.

TheCid: What I want to know is, since when does the government have the power to tell people (regardless of age) what to wear?

How is this not a ridiculous overstepping of their constitutional bounds? How can anyone support this blatant authoritarianism?

In many ways, school is preparation for life. One of those things is a required dress code at work. Why not get kids used to the idea that they're not going to "express themselves" everywhere they have to be?

amo: In many ways, school is preparation for life. One of those things is a required dress code at work. Why not get kids used to the idea that they're not going to "express themselves" everywhere they have to be?

What you really want to do is get kids used to the idea that they have to fall lockstep into whatever the government tells them to do.

Fark that.

Freedom is too important to let people subvert it in any way.

TheCid: Good to identify yet another person who's part of the problem with this nation. Farking authoritarian followers.

I've got you farkied as "stupid, paranoid, atheist asshole"

You are the problem.

SilentStrider: i'm completely missing something here. How is telling people who can't afford the new uniforms to get over it worthy of a hero tag?

uniforms aren't any more expensive than other clothes the child would inevitably need for the year...actually, often times they are cheaper because the parents don't feel the need to buy major brand names to make their kid into a walking billboard.

Yes, there are some families that can't even afford the basics, whose children are wearing hand-me-downs and ratty sneakers, but the majority that say they can't afford it, IMO, are lying. They choose not to afford it. I picked up my sons clothes at Target- $4 a shirt and $7 for pants, and 2 pairs of shoes. His entire school wardrobe was less than $80.

Do you need that 20 oz soda with lunch from the machine every day, or does your child need a new white polo b/c they got fruit punch all over it? It's not always an easy choice but it IS a choice. The principal only said what a lot of people were thinking

Most poor parents around where I live prefer uniforms because it saves them money. Also their kids aren't ridiculed by other students for wearing shoddy clothing.

TheCid: What you really want to do is get kids used to the idea that they have to fall lockstep into whatever the government tells them to do.

Where did I say that? Freedom isn't free, it comes with responsibilities.

TheCid: Fark that.

Freedom is too important to let people subvert it in any way.

The kids are still free to wear what they want when they're not at school. You can't cuss at school either, does that impinge on their freedoms?

TheCid: amo: In many ways, school is preparation for life. One of those things is a required dress code at work. Why not get kids used to the idea that they're not going to "express themselves" everywhere they have to be?

What you really want to do is get kids used to the idea that they have to fall lockstep into whatever the government tells them to do.

Fark that.

Freedom is too important to let people subvert it in any way.

So is learning 'there is a time and a place for everything.' You can express yourself with your clothes from the hours of 3pm until 9 am. Plus, if your child only knows how to express themselves through clothing, you're doing it wrong. They should be expressing themselves in attitude, arts, music, sports, writing...style shoudl be the least of every childs concerns, right below whether they want captain crunch or fruit loops for breakfast

TheCid - I agree that uniforms are objectionable... but is it your belief that no safety risks are reduced by pants that aren't oversized, shirts that tucked in, and a total range of five available colors?
I'm not baiting you.
My post-the-first is meant more to snark at people who are "unable" to set aside five bucks a week for their kid's fall school clothes.

amo: Freedom is too important to let people subvert it in any way.

The kids are still free to wear what they want when they're not at school. You can't cuss at school either, does that impinge on their freedoms?

hey, my son uses that gun to express himself! HOW DARE YOU KEEP IT FROM HIM AT SCHOOL!

/exaggeration, but you get my point

TheCid: amo: In many ways, school is preparation for life. One of those things is a required dress code at work. Why not get kids used to the idea that they're not going to "express themselves" everywhere they have to be?

What you really want to do is get kids used to the idea that they have to fall lockstep into whatever the government tells them to do.

Fark that.

Freedom is too important to let people subvert it in any way.

A good education is more important than allowing children the "freedom" to wear slutty clothes or engage in pointless status-seeking games. An education will give kids the tools they need so they don't have to be sheep their entire lives. The "freedom" to wear whatever designer label the TV tells them to is just going to create a new generation of wage slaves.

KoalaFace: hey, my son uses that gun to express himself! HOW DARE YOU KEEP IT FROM HIM AT SCHOOL!

What's sad is that some people really argue that point... Granted, they throw in something about safety and whatnot, but still.

real shaman: TheCid: Good to identify yet another person who's part of the problem with this nation. Farking authoritarian followers.

I've got you farkied as "stupid, paranoid, atheist asshole"

You are the problem.

You're a lunatic who believes in shamanism and supports tearing down the wall of separation between church and state. You're an deluded fool with no grip on reality.
The fact that you support the authoritarians here in no way surprises me.

Welcome to my ignore list, farktard.



Grrr: TheCid - I agree that uniforms are objectionable... but is it your belief that no safety risks are reduced by pants that aren't oversized, shirts that tucked in, and a total range of five available colors?
I'm not baiting you.
My post-the-first is meant more to snark at people who are "unable" to set aside five bucks a week for their kid's fall school clothes.

There's no reason to have any more rules on clothing in school than the general public indecency regulations.
This whole "waaah people can hide guns in baggy pants" thing is utter bullshiat. Backpacks are a better hiding place for a gun than baggy pants.
It's nothing more than an excuse to justify powertripping.

Arthur Jumbles: A good education is more important than allowing children the "freedom" to wear slutty clothes or engage in pointless status-seeking games. An education will give kids the tools they need so they don't have to be sheep their entire lives. The "freedom" to wear whatever designer label the TV tells them to is just going to create a new generation of wage slaves.

That's right. Wearing denim jeans and a t-shirt instead of khakis and a polo makes it impossible for a person to learn. How could we ever have done anything different!

TheCid: There's no reason to have any more rules on clothing in school than the general public indecency regulations.
This whole "waaah people can hide guns in baggy pants" thing is utter bullshiat. Backpacks are a better hiding place for a gun than baggy pants.
It's nothing more than an excuse to justify powertripping.

a lot of schools don't allow backpacks anymore, or require clear backpacks. People have pointed out a multitude of reasons why dresscodes in school are a good idea. lets review!

1. They are cheaper than 'regular' clothes that have the uncanny ability to make your child into a walking billboard, hoodlum, or whore
2. They prepare you for the 'real world' where certain clothing are expected
3. They promote tolerance of all students, instead of giving little brats ammo to pick on the poor kid with ratty clothes
4. Safety of your student and his/her peers

And on the side of your argument:
1. They limit personal freedom


Hmmm...that's a toughy right there.

KoalaFace: TheCid: There's no reason to have any more rules on clothing in school than the general public indecency regulations.
This whole "waaah people can hide guns in baggy pants" thing is utter bullshiat. Backpacks are a better hiding place for a gun than baggy pants.
It's nothing more than an excuse to justify powertripping.

a lot of schools don't allow backpacks anymore, or require clear backpacks. People have pointed out a multitude of reasons why dresscodes in school are a good idea. lets review!

1. They are cheaper than 'regular' clothes that have the uncanny ability to make your child into a walking billboard, hoodlum, or whore
2. They prepare you for the 'real world' where certain clothing are expected
3. They promote tolerance of all students, instead of giving little brats ammo to pick on the poor kid with ratty clothes
4. Safety of your student and his/her peers

And on the side of your argument:
1. They limit personal freedom


Hmmm...that's a toughy right there.


Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

TheCid: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

that's YOUR argument, and IMO, a shiatty one. As I stated earlier, wearing a uniform DOES NOT limit your ability to express yourself, b/c you have ample other ways to do so. It's not about 'giving up personal freedoms,' its about teaching your child there are rules, you must follow them, and there is a time and place for everything.

I preferred having uniforms in high school to civvy clothes. My summer jobs didn't pay very much, so my clothing budget went a lot farther buying five versions of the same outfit.

Of course, my parents sew, so my skirt was variable-length with snaps (two settings: Granger and Spears,) the little blouses cut perfectly to make the most of the Bosom Fairy's decision to firebomb my house (38DD by age 15,) and my school blazer had hidden pockets James Bond would've envied. Uniforms didn't stifle my freedom -they just changed the rules to a game I knew how to win.

It's possible to make your kid look better than all the others while complying with a common-sense regulation and spending less than anybody else, if you're willing to break out the needles and work a bit. And this way, your kid's 'good' clothes for non-school hours are still in good shape for siblings or college life.

TheCid: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

So... flip flops and old torn jeans at work for everybody! I'll bet the guys down at the firehouse will love that!

amo: So... flip flops and old torn jeans at work for everybody! I'll bet the guys down at the firehouse will love that!

You can't tell the difference between a job that a person has a choice of taking, and school which you have to go to?

Really?

Are you that farking clueless?

TheCid: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Minors don't have Liberties. They have certain rights, but not Liberties.

This is not a private school, it's public. Assuming it's not charter, people aren't choosing to attend this place based on a "desire"; it's mandated by law. If I'm going to spend money on schools, I'd prefer it to be for better textbooks and higher paid teachers, not making sure that kids can march in line and look sufficiently bland.

"We regret to inform you that your child has failed basic counting, but at least they failed in unobjectionable, moderately tasteful clothing"

You can spray paint a turd in solid gold, but when it comes down to it, it's still a piece of shiat and no amount of forced compliance is going to make it palatable.

TheCid: real shaman: TheCid: Good to identify yet another person who's part of the problem with this nation. Farking authoritarian followers.

I've got you farkied as "stupid, paranoid, atheist asshole"

You are the problem.

You're a lunatic who believes in shamanism and supports tearing down the wall of separation between church and state. You're an deluded fool with no grip on reality.
The fact that you support the authoritarians here in no way surprises me.

Welcome to my ignore list, farktard.

Could you please put me on your ignore list too? Please. I'd put you on mine except I'm not afraid to listen to points of view that differ from my own and as such don't use one.

TheCid: You can't tell the difference between a job that a person has a choice of taking, and school which you have to go to?

Really?

Are you that farking clueless?

No, I'm just extrapolating your argument. Children are not at school to perform a fashion show. Adults don't go to work to show off their latest clubwear. There is a time to express yourself, and a time to sit down, shut up, and do your work.

woooooo!!!! I'm on a dumbass's ignore list.

One look at TheCid's picture in his profile tells me all I need to know about him. You know that one person in your circle of friends that nobody likes, but nobody can quite tell that person? That's TheCid.

TheCid: amo: So... flip flops and old torn jeans at work for everybody! I'll bet the guys down at the firehouse will love that!

You can't tell the difference between a job that a person has a choice of taking, and school which you have to go to?

Really?

Are you that farking clueless?

who says you have to go to that school? you can transfer, or you can homeschool. That again brings up my earlier point about 'choice'

amo: No, I'm just extrapolating your argument. Children are not at school to perform a fashion show. Adults don't go to work to show off their latest clubwear. There is a time to express yourself, and a time to sit down, shut up, and do your work.

Government mandated != individual choice.

You are dodging the fact that school uniforms are being mandated by the government.

I want to see where in the constitution it gives the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot wear.

Go ahead. I won't bother waiting, as it'll be a while before you can find it, as it takes a fairly long time for amendments to be passed.

Some Bass Playing Guy: One look at TheCid's picture in his profile tells me all I need to know about him. You know that one person in your circle of friends that nobody likes, but nobody can quite tell that person? That's TheCid.

He looks like the punks whose lunch money ended up in my pocket.

TheCid: I want to see where in the constitution it gives the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot wear.

walked around naked, lately, asshole?

In case the little boy did put me on ignore, would someone quote my last question?

TheCid: I want to see where in the constitution it gives the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot wear.

Go ahead. I won't bother waiting, as it'll be a while before you can find it, as it takes a fairly long time for amendments to be passed.

where in the constitution does it say the government does NOT have that power? the argument goes both ways.

/i hope our children are never in the same class

real shaman: TheCid: I want to see where in the constitution it gives the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot wear.

walked around naked, lately, asshole?

KoalaFace: where in the constitution does it say the government does NOT have that power? the argument goes both ways.

Never run for office.

real shaman: TheCid: I want to see where in the constitution it gives the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot wear.

walked around naked, lately, asshole?

quoted, so thecid can see it.

TheCid: KoalaFace: where in the constitution does it say the government does NOT have that power? the argument goes both ways.

Never run for office.

never have children. There are enough helicopter parents in the world

KoalaFace: never have children. There are enough helicopter parents in the world

Yes, because someone who opposes school uniforms would be a "helicopter parent".

guess he got slapped down.....

answer the question.....

have you walked around naked lately?

what makes you think the government can't tell you what to wear?

I tend to agree with real shaman... you are an idiot.

Your arguments remind me of sophomores in high school.