I actually do understand the "logic" behind this thinking, and might even lend it serious consideration--EXCEPT that we're talking about the President of the United States, *not* captain of your high school football team.

Point being, the country is *so* f*cked up right now, we can't afford to give Bush (aka "McCain") ANOTHER 4 years to suck the life out of this nation just so Obama can say "Told ya so!!" in 2012.

Granted, Hillary seems to be attempting to do just that in reverse, but that's Hillary.

With the choices from the two major parties being what they are this year... I wonder what the "fringe" parties are fielding this time.

For the past fifteen years or so people seem to be getting more and more restless with the Republicrats and historically it is in such times a new party forms and comes to power. I wonder what party is will be.

This strikes me as the same sort of logic behind Nader in 2000: "He can't win, but if a Republican wins again, things will get so farked up that the voters will be ready for real change in 2004."

Instead, things got farked up and we got stuck with one of the stupidest Presidents in history for another 4 years after that.

4 more years under the current crop of Republicans is a sound plan for our future. At this point they are so due to get something right that it's got to be a sure thing.

Mordant: 4 more years under the current crop of Republicans is a sound plan for our future. At this point they are so due to get something right that it's got to be a sure thing.

gamblers fallacy!

/i lol'd

Talk about a manufactured controversy. What a farce this has all become. At least its creating record voting turn-outs so its not all bad.

Michelle Obama has made it clear that Barack will only try to become President once (other than running for re-election, of course).

/would hit that

Sort of getting the feeling that writers are getting tired of the Democratic race--it means that they have to keep sending reporters out, it's draining their travel budgets, they keep having to do analysis after analysis, poll after poll, and now the media is just getting sick of this crap, so they're going to try to force the issue, that they helped to create.

Fark them. You helped make this damn idiotic race, now they have to deal with it. And with the states that they'd otherwise never travel to cover a race.

hubiestubert: Fark them. You helped make this damn idiotic race, now they have to deal with it.

After reading that I have to agree with many of his points. Stepping out now would make Clinton look really bad and she would definitely lose in November.

However, McCain for 4 years ofter 8 years of Bush will be really bad for this country.

In 4 years of McCain our economy would be worthless, we'd have 3 wars waging, and gas prices would be around $6/gallon. Hell, I'd vote for Nader at that point.

What I dont' get is the Clinton camps shouting that she is still in it. It isn't a single race but a bunch of races kind of like the NFL season. Obama is 8-2 and has already clinched the playoff spot and Clinton is less than 4-6 and demanding a chance at the playoffs even though she has already been eliminated just because she won some tough games. On top of that she now wants to count preseason games as though they where regular season even though everyone agreed that they were not regular season games.

Don't Fark and drink, it can ruin a post.

Stupid plan, if the guy is serious.

GOP attack in 2012: "Do you want a President who gives up...even when he's winning??" (montage of American cities in flames behind photoshop of Obama handing the keys to the White House to bin Laden, Mullah Omar and al-Sadr)

Of course it will never happen. Can you imagine the backlash from all the grassroots Obama supporters that have donated money to a campaign for the first time ever(like me)?

Those people would have a really hard time donating to another campaign ever again after being betrayed for political gain, right or wrong.

a Woman BEFORE a Blackman... Are you serious??

The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him.

Wow, that guy obviously doesn't know much of politics. Nancy Pelosi has all but said out right that she supports Obama. And Howard Dean doesn't like the Clintons, which i would presume means he would rather support Obama.

AMS0000: Don't Fark and drink, it can ruin a post.

or make it more brillianter

BlueDjinn
I actually do understand the "logic" behind this thinking, and might even lend it serious consideration--EXCEPT that we're talking about the President of the United States, *not* captain of your high school football team.

THIS.

It is time we stopped letting the media treat elections like American Idol. Divorcing this election from the consequences of having the GOP in power for another 4 - 8 years misses the ENTIRE POINT OF ELECTING A PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

This isn't a popularity contest. We're not choosing the prom queen. We're choosing the person to lead our country out of debt, economic recession, an unending war, and utter apathy toward the working folks of this fine nation.

Grow up, people. Start acting like adults.

This is obviously reverse psychology. There's no way it would stick to Hillary the way the author suggests. It would come off as high school antics.

This is based on a massive assumption about the political climate of 2012, which is FOUR YEARS from now.

AMS0000: Don't Fark and drink, it can ruin a post.

You mean people Fark sober?

Dear god, the poor bastards...I had no idea

I know what Michelle said. But, I'm not convinced. I really don't think Obama was expecting to win in Iowa. I think he wanted to get a good base of support and get his name out there as a national figure in the Democratic Party. Convince Michelle, let the powers-that-be beg him, and run again another year. Like how John Edwards (another Senator in his first term, with even less experience than Obama) decided to run in 2004, mostly to get his smiling face out there (and it worked, people think he's important, because he ran for President/VP). I think winning Iowa surprised Obama as much as anyone.

Also, it's real hard to consider quitting when you've got 1.5 million people giving you money. That has to be pretty damned affirming.

Slate's post-PA delegate tracker try to get Clinton to 1627 (the majority of pledged delegates).

Sounds like Milo Minderbinder logic to me.

Don't Tase Me Bro: Michelle Obama has made it clear that Barack will only try to become President once (other than running for re-election, of course).

/would hit that

And women never change their mind.

/their perogative.

FTFA:
1) If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary
2) if [Obama]'s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it
3) Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party....Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him. McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012

If "old" politics is putting the good of the country and the party behind personal ambition, how exactly is Obama's destroying the party to gain office in 2012 "new" politics.

Cripes, I thought that top 10 list of reasons Obama should lose to Clinton was a bad as it would get today.

AMS0000: What I dont' get is the Clinton camps shouting that she is still in it. It isn't a single race but a bunch of races kind of like the NFL season. Obama is 8-2 and has already clinched the playoff spot and Clinton is less than 4-6 and demanding a chance at the playoffs even though she has already been eliminated just because she won some tough games. On top of that she now wants to count preseason games as though they where regular season even though everyone agreed that they were not regular season games.

Best primary analogy ever.

Lawnchair: I think winning Iowa surprised Obama as much as anyone.

You could be right about that. It certainly surprised me.

Remove all Republicans: Simplest Quantum System Conceivable: Slate's post-PA delegate tracker try to get Clinton to 1627 (the majority of pledged delegates).

So? Even if Obama gets 100% of the remaining votes (with no Michigan or Florida), he'll still need 128 supers to get to 2024. Hillary would just need to make sure that only 127 vote him and throw the whole thing into a mess, getting herself the nomination. If anyone knows shady backroom deals, it is Hillary Clinton.

According to CNN, if he gets 100% of the remaining vote, he's won by 107 delegates.
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Lionel Mandrake


Stupid plan, if the guy is serious.

GOP attack in 2012: "Do you want a President who gives up...even when he's winning??" (montage of American cities in flames behind photoshop of Obama handing the keys to the White House to bin Laden, Mullah Omar and al-Sadr)


This.

There's no way Obama could shake the "quitter" tag that would get slapped on him if he bought in to such nonsense.

I think everyone needs to shut up about this. I can't stand reading 10+ articles a day about this. We get it. Hillary is there to stay. Some people like her (and are batshiat crazy) and some support Obama. Everyone is trying to pass their opinions off as reasons for each candidate to do something and blah blah blah. My stomach retches at all of this.

Obama's not going to quit, except maybe in one of Clinton's daydreams. The real question is, how will the Democratic party get Hillary to finally back down? At this point, they've got to suspect that she'll continue to fight even after the convention if she doesn't get the nomination. She's a huge liability to a Democratic win whether she's on or off the ticket, and since none of the head party honchos have the cohones to threaten her into shutting up and playing nice, I wonder how they'll attempt to buy her off?

Hopefully they won't push to get her the VP slot. That's got more FAIL in it than a year's worth of Florida public school exams.

FTStupidFA: In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party

Um, no. What Obama supporters love about him is that he actually cares about what's good for the country, not the party. The dumbass loyalists who only care about the letter next to someone's name are naturally attracted to those other two dingbats in the Presidential race.

This would be a disaster--I'd personally never support him again.

[SATIRE]

AMS0000: What I dont' get is the Clinton camps shouting that she is still in it. It isn't a single race but a bunch of races kind of like the NFL season. Obama is 8-2 and has already clinched the playoff spot and Clinton is less than 4-6 and demanding a chance at the playoffs even though she has already been eliminated just because she won some tough games. On top of that she now wants to count preseason games as though they where regular season even though everyone agreed that they were not regular season games.

Ah, so you're saying Hillary is Carl Peterson? It all makes sense now.

I came in here to say whats been said, but to reiterate:

If Obama's only goal was to be elected President, sometime, this might be a good route for him to go.

On the other hand, if he has the best interest of the country at heart, he desperately won't want us to, say, expand the wars we are fighting right now, al la McCain and maybe even Hillary.

If he dropped out now, it would be such an obviously political (in the bad sense, that is) move that I think he would lose support among his intelligentsia base, which would be devastating to his political muscle.

/Hope Obama gets the nomination.
//Every candidate I have ever liked has lost.

Who pays Slate to be the most cocktarded blog on the net?

Is this the Republican donation side of Microsoft? I guess they need a voice...

why should he drop out.HE'S WINNING

Dude, you're a moron, now is the time for you to drop out and become a panhandler in San Francisco. YES NOW!

Check out his Linkedln page, he's got a BA in english.

Dear Hillary,

Good luck funding your campaign through the convention.

Warmest regards,
The HA HA Guy

AMS0000: What I dont' get is the Clinton camps shouting that she is still in it. It isn't a single race but a bunch of races kind of like the NFL season. Obama is 8-2 and has already clinched the playoff spot and Clinton is less than 4-6 and demanding a chance at the playoffs even though she has already been eliminated just because she won some tough games. On top of that she now wants to count preseason games as though they where regular season even though everyone agreed that they were not regular season games.

Perfect analogy. If you don't post drunk often you should.

equilibrium: Dear Hillary,

Good luck funding your campaign through the convention.

Warmest regards,
The HA HA Guy

Masterfully done, sir!

Run the simulator - if Obama loses EVERY SINGLE ELECTION from here to the nomination by the a slightly bigger margin than he lost in PA (56% to Clinton, 44% to himself) and the remaining super-delegates split along those same lines (again, 56% to 44%), he still wins 2,038 to 1989.

The fat lady is warming up in the wings. She just has to make sure one of Hillary's snipers doesn't get her.

Two things I wonder:
Why on earth does the Hildabeast think she freaking DESERVES IT? And why is the mainstream media, CNN being the prime example, trying so farking hard to push her?

This Thread Is Useless With Me: Run the simulator - if Obama loses EVERY SINGLE ELECTION from here to the nomination by the a slightly bigger margin than he lost in PA (56% to Clinton, 44% to himself) and the remaining super-delegates split along those same lines (again, 56% to 44%), he still wins 2,038 to 1989.

The fat lady is warming up in the wings. She just has to make sure one of Hillary's snipers doesn't get her.

Concur. I did the math as well, and the way I figure, if they tie in delegates gained from today, and Barack gets 31% of the remaining supers, he wins. That includes supers from Fla and Mich, which may get to vote.

If they tie, he will get closer to half, putting him far over.

Face, meet Palm. Palm, face.

In what sort of world does it make sense for the winner to quit just because the loser doesn't know she's beat?

dropping out now nearly guarantees that he'll be elected president in 2012. Here's the roadmap:

Somebody please tell me that this Wilson guy is channeling Jonathan Swift in a lame attempt to offer up a "Modest Proposal" re-dux.

We'll WIN by FAILing?

Nephew, puh-lease.

Quatchi to Chris Wilson:

Give yer head a shake.

Try to get them little metal balls back into their three holes before you attempt to write anything else.

Jeesh!