I don't know anything about that. I do know that last night on the Mass Pike, thought I was losing you.

Line item in the budget is just stupid. It's an excuse to increase spending on stupid crap. And if you don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket. So there, everyone's a loser. Massholes.

The Mass Pike has been a state piggy bank ever since the original construction bonds were paid off. That should have meant the end of the tolls, but they couldn't let a good thing die.

Will there be cops from Stockbridge to Boston?

Here's my preemptive strike:

"You broke the law by speeding"
"The cops are just doing their job"
"There are no such things as speed traps or quotas"

/figured I'd post them now so 40 cops don't do it later

Sir Roderick Glossop : Will there be cops from Stockbridge to Boston?

no but it was covered in snow

/it also seemed dream like on account of that frosting

People are being punished for breaking the law? Weird

OregonVet

The State Police officer in charge of the Turnpike troop said you should speed and you won't get a ticket. See the May 10, 2004 Boston Herald (copy of article). But the same officer also wrote a memo to his troopers warning them to meet their speeding ticket revenue goals. So he's really saying you can speed some times and not other times.

Psumek: Sir Roderick Glossop : Will there be cops from Stockbridge to Boston?

no but it was covered in snow

/it also seemed dream like on account of that frosting

Conditions sound unfavorable to high-speed travel. Good things the cops are there to slow the roll. Especially if you've only gone 10 miles, with 10,000 more to go.

If you observe MA Governor Davol Patrick. It's like watching an Obama presidency on a smaller scale.

/same speeches
//same campaign
///I'm agonna get me some popcorn

Not quotas, performance objectives.

Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

HumansDisgustMe: If you observe MA Governor Davol Deval Patrick. It's like watching an Obama presidency on a smaller scale.

FTFY.

They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

The only legally authorized use of ticket cameras in Massachusetts is for toll violations. Also, the Turnpike doesn't want to kill its revenue stream by getting too greedy.

Psumek: Here's my preemptive strike:

"You broke the law by speeding"
"The cops are just doing their job"
"There are no such things as speed traps or quotas"

/figured I'd post them now so 40 cops don't do it later

I don't go to much over the speed limit and never got a ticket. I agree that you break the law if you speed and cops should give out tickets, but this just seems over zealous. Aren't there better ways for police to spend their time. (I know it's not up to a regular patrol officer what they do when they are on the clock.)
Maybe I just watch to much "The Wire"

ZAZ: They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

The only legally authorized use of ticket cameras in Massachusetts is for toll violations. Also, the Turnpike doesn't want to kill its revenue stream by getting too greedy.

Too late.

Massachusetts is running out of ways to tax you. This was the obvious choice.


/McCain '08... lower taxes, more war!!!

approves

mkb218: Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

Why not just make a law that requires GPS units on each vehicle? That way, the police can track your speed. So when you break a law, they'll just email you a ticket. We could even tax people based on how many miles they drive.

Heck, take it up a notch, even: An automatic withdrawal on your bank account.

/It's coming...

Don't speed, and you won't have any problems dumbfarks.

Oh, wait... Mass?

Nevermind.

/Massholes too dumb to figure basic cause -> effect out need not have fat wallets.

RandomExcess /McCain '08... lower taxes, more war!!!

Yup, that pretty much would sum up a McCain presidency...and also become the reason America divides into 2 or 3 separate countries. Oh no, I've said too much.

A bottomless pit of endless waste is our want to travel with haste.

Speed limits make it clear the The People have absolutely NO SAY in their Government.

It's as plain as the nose on your face when you get on the road and see EVERYBODY speeding.

The will of the people means NOTHING to the corporations, Andover punks and big banks that own your ass.

You live in a corporate police state.

As a former Masshole, I'd just like to point out, that the Pike goes on for more than JUST the Boston area.

The Boston Metro area is horrible to drive around, and if Boston drivers are getting hit, maybe it will mean that they're finally contributing their part to the state budget. Western Mass is sort of getting tired of watching a massive amount of their tax dollars never leaving the Boston area...

hubiestubert: As a former Masshole, I'd just like to point out, that the Pike goes on for more than JUST the Boston area.

The Boston Metro area is horrible to drive around, and if Boston drivers are getting hit, maybe it will mean that they're finally contributing their part to the state budget. Western Mass is sort of getting tired of watching a massive amount of their tax dollars never leaving the Boston area...

Yeah, but it's the Boonies they don't need as much stuff, right? Right?

WALMART.saves: mkb218: Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

Why not just make a law that requires GPS units on each vehicle? That way, the police can track your speed. So when you break a law, they'll just email you a ticket. We could even tax people based on how many miles they drive.

Heck, take it up a notch, even: An automatic withdrawal on your bank account.

/It's coming...

GPS units in every car? Yes we can!



/It would certainly be change

But... it's for my safety!

i came in here to say this.

i was not disappointed.

essucht: WALMART.saves: mkb218: Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

Why not just make a law that requires GPS units on each vehicle? That way, the police can track your speed. So when you break a law, they'll just email you a ticket. We could even tax people based on how many miles they drive.

Heck, take it up a notch, even: An automatic withdrawal on your bank account.

/It's coming...

GPS units in every car? Yes we can!



/It would certainly be change

Don't think for a second the others wouldn't do it too.

I always wondered what they did with all those old Nazi SS uniforms and hats after the war.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Yeah, but it's the Boonies they don't need as much stuff, right? Right?

Yeah. It's not like there are a few dozen bridges and roads that are damn near to being condemned or anything...

If you don't speed in Massachusetts you will be tailgaited. I've lived here in the Greater Boston Area all my life and have been driving in it for the past nine of them. The way I see it is this:

Everyone around you is driving 5+ mph over the limit. By driving the limit you essentially crate a moving wall that everybody has to get around in order to advance down the highway.

1) This causes traffic as a lane is essentially closed in the area around you. If you match the speed of traffic around you this problem goes away.

2) This is dangerous if someone isn't paying attention you'll get rear-ended. In this case the faster you're going when you are rear-ended the smaller the relative velocities and a softer hit with less chance of losing control.

You're not going to change decades of driving tradition in Massachusetts and by driving slowly you're selfishly endangering yourself and your fellow motorists.

If you don't understand any of this, stay in the right lane and stay the fark out of Boston for god sakes it'll eat you alive and leave you a quivering tear soaked mess.

Masshole out.

Dear citizen:

Fark you. Vote for Diebold.

Your master

what a bunch of fascist assholes.


Fact: speed is not a killer. its negligence. Ticketing people for doing 80 in a 70 is just nonsense.
Ticketing people for driving on cell phones, reading, eating, drinking, applying makeup, and being general dipshiats is fine with me.

WALMART.saves: essucht: WALMART.saves: mkb218: Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

Why not just make a law that requires GPS units on each vehicle? That way, the police can track your speed. So when you break a law, they'll just email you a ticket. We could even tax people based on how many miles they drive.

Heck, take it up a notch, even: An automatic withdrawal on your bank account.

/It's coming...

GPS units in every car? Yes we can!



/It would certainly be change

Don't think for a second the others wouldn't do it too.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

If you don't speed in Massachusetts you will be tailgaited.

Even if you do speed, if you drive in the left lane of the Turnpike long enough you'll have a statie come up behind you at 90 and hang ten feet off your bumper until you move over. They aren't on an emergency call. That's the way they drive, because they can get away with it.

The best way to get one of the rare "failure to keep right" tickets is to keep cruising at 75 in the left lane with a police officer behind you.

"People, I assure you, this is all just a coincidence"

This is the picture I got in my head while reading that headline:

Good. I wasn't the only one.

El_: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

When applied to the American Revolution: good advice.

When applied to speeding in cars: decidedly less so.

seminole87: God forbid they should ticket aggressive drivers

I would rather have speeders than a turd-block that does 45 in the left lane.

There are suckers that will fall for this. Gets them every single time.

Government budgets are different from corporate budgets. First, expenses are determined, and then the revenue is set to match those expenses. No "profit" is made. This can be done because government revenue is predictable (taxes, fees, fines, etc.). So, if the government increases a revenue line item from one year to the next, it is asking its workers to take additional measures to get that extra revenue. By law, the budget has to balance.

OregonVet
..if you don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket. will get mercilessly tailgated by the cops until they find something else to ticket you for, because it's not about saving lives, it's about budget defifcits.

FTFY

El_: WALMART.saves: essucht: WALMART.saves: mkb218: Why the extra expenditure on cops? They have tollbooth tickets and cameras that can track you.

Why not just make a law that requires GPS units on each vehicle? That way, the police can track your speed. So when you break a law, they'll just email you a ticket. We could even tax people based on how many miles they drive.

Heck, take it up a notch, even: An automatic withdrawal on your bank account.

/It's coming...

GPS units in every car? Yes we can!



/It would certainly be change

Don't think for a second the others wouldn't do it too.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

Looks like someone watched HBO last week.

Tickets aren't for revenue generation?

OK, put your money where your mouth is.

Pass a law that says that motorists convicted of moving violations can donate their fines to any 501C3 charity in lieu of remitting the fine to the municipality/county/state.

Until you do that, tickets are for revenue generation, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

OregonVet: And if you don't speed, you won't get a speeding ticket survive.

FTFY.

East of exit 12, the Pike experience is either (A) bumper-to-bumper at 12 mph, or (B) screaming along at 83 mph to make up time from (A). Always fun when (A) suddenly changes to (B) in about three seconds-- usually results in (A¹⁰).

Us Massholes don't care about speeding tickets on the Pike. Ya speed, ya get popped. What pisses us off is the toll increases.

Nevermind that the tolls were supposed to come down once the Pike's original construction was paid off (supposedly, that happened in 1982). Ha, forget that. But now the toll increases are paying for the BigDig^TM debt-- a project on I-93 and the Harbor Tunnels that 90% of Pike travellers never use for their daily commute. Meanwhile, I-93 is free, as are the outbound tunnels (ha-- you can leave town for free, but it'll cost ya to come back).

\Masshole FTW

essucht:
GPS units in every car? Yes we can!


be careful what you joke about, california has already proposed that with full tracking of EVERY vehicle reported to the government so they can properly assess road taxes. If they dont know which crack house you stopped at roads you took they would not be able to do a mileage based tax regime properly.

jimpoz: Until you do that, tickets are for revenue generation, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

I'm not sure who is arguing against this (I don't want to read the whole thread). However, the money is being used for governmental purposes, not individual enrichment. If you think the government should tax you more or spend less, that seems to be a related, but ultimately different, topic.