Here's the problem with that - the Clintons want payback against the big time politicians like Kerry and Kennedy and Pelosi and Dean, but if they win and get in office, how the hell does Clinton expect to get *anything* done if she wants payback against her own party?

I'm beginning to think Hillary Clinton might pull this off and wrestle the nomination away from Barack Obama.

What a crazy thought for a middle-aged white woman

This is too dumb even for Newsweek.

FTA:

Hillary lost the media a long time ago through a combination of arrogance and entitlement, but she has won grudging respect in some unlikely quarters. Conservative commentators Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough are openly rooting for her, and Tony Blankley, who first gained notoriety as Newt Gingrich's spokesman, confessed somewhat sheepishly, "She's almost beginning to appeal to me." ...

Blankley comes from the elbows-out school of politics popularized by Gingrich when the Republicans took over the House of Representatives just two years into the Clinton presidency. He admires the way Hillary has grown as a political commodity... Now she's like an old pol, mixing it up and enjoying the blood sport, laughing while she rips into Obama.

Eleanor Clift doesn't get the joke. She thinks the Republicans are "respecting" Hillary now. On the contrary, Clift is confusing two Republican reactions: some hope that their man goes up against Hillary, and others have caught on Clinton's one of them, the Washington establishment deep in the pockets of multinationals.

All these Republicans are blandishing their Hillary praises with tongue firmly in cheek. Except Eleanor Clift.

Skeuomorph: Eleanor Clift doesn't get the joke. She thinks the Republicans are "respecting" Hillary now. On the contrary, Clift is confusing two Republican reactions: some hope that their man goes up against Hillary, and others have caught on Clinton's one of them, the Washington establishment deep in the pockets of multinationals.

All these Republicans are blandishing their Hillary praises with tongue firmly in cheek. Except Eleanor Clift.

If anyone on earth think Buchanan and Scarborough actually like Hillary, they are insane. They are like Rush, but less brute about it - they want the Dems to implode, and they want to win.

It was interesting early in the race, when Obama was still the ultra-inspiring underdog, seeing the genuine admiration Scarborough had for Obama. He liked the guy as a sincere and different politician. But once Obama won, you could see the switch go off in his brain. Joe could no longer be honest about his opinion about Barack, and he turned back into a political whore, saying the GOP party line. Obama was no longer an admirable polician, but "the guy we have to beat", and any sinere opinions Joe once had about him were out the window.

Buchanan has been a racist douche since day 1, though. At least he's been consistent.

bulldg4life: What a crazy thought for a middle-aged white woman

Exactly. I nearly added that Clift was likely blinded by imagining herself as Hillary.

But it's hard to tell if her overweening sense of entitlement is thanks to her pair of X chromosomes or just aspirational whitebreadedness. And by "her", I mean either one of them.

The point is moot. She can't win.

what would happen if huckabee were to win the republican nomination? he did say he was hoping for a miracle.

Whamdangler: The point is moot. She can't win.

Now, now... Obama could die in a freak para-sailing accident off the coast of Southern California.

Unless they change the laws of Mathematics, she's basically done...

well, unless they find Obama in a hotel room with 3 Haitian boys and a pile of coke.

The media is really cracking me up in this campaign... they start getting shiat from the Clinton camp for "going easy" on Obama, so now they sensationalize every little story about Obama and keep on reporting the "huge" Clinton victory in PA and how she raised 10 million in 24 hours (sure, she did)...

and, god help me, I'm actually starting to believe that CNN is the "Clinton News Network" as some of the wing nuts claim.

Whamdangler: The point is moot. She can't win.

Luckily, the super delegates know this already^. They are just waiting for those still in denial to face reality. They may have a long wait.

burndtdan: what would happen if huckabee were to win the republican nomination? he did say he was hoping for a miracle.

Well, McCain is in his 70s...

If Clinton wins there will surely be payback... against Clinton and the Deomocratic party.

Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

The superdelegates concept is designed to address precisely this situation. Nobody can have a nomination "wrestled away" if he or she hasn't won it outright.

If Hil somehow manages to validate the non-votes in Florida and Michigan, then we can talk about illegitimate manipulation of the party's nomination system.

But the whole reason for superdelegates is to choose (yes, I went there) the nominee when the system hasn't yielded one.

Bufu: If Hil somehow manages to validate the non-votes in Florida and Michigan, then we can talk about illegitimate manipulation of the party's nomination system.

But the whole reason for superdelegates is to choose (yes, I went there) the nominee when the system hasn't yielded one.

It's not unthinkable that there will be some shenanigans with the process. The wheels are turning to do just that. And if it happens, I think that Hillary will simply be handing the election to McCain, and in the process, she and her supporters will tank a good number of the Senate races too, just by virtue of poisoning the waters for a lot of folks.

It has the potential to split the party even.

Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

there is a lot more depth to the reality of the situation than that. hillary won't win. her campaign is falling apart and more and more influential democrats are weighing in already.

burndtdan: Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

there is a lot more depth to the reality of the situation than that. hillary won't win. her campaign is falling apart and more and more influential democrats are weighing in already.

not really disagreeing with you, btw, just saying that it isn't much of a question at this point.

burndtdan: Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

there is a lot more depth to the reality of the situation than that. hillary won't win. her campaign is falling apart and more and more influential democrats are weighing in already.

One can hope, but things are still iffy--Hillary is playing to win still, and she isn't above pulling in every marker she has at this point. She's pretty much betting the bank on this run, and what is sort of unsettling is that this is just the Primary--the real election hasn't even begun, and that means that this is still practice.

She's not saving much for the real run, and that means that she's going to be vulnerable as hell if she gets a real run up.

I wish I had some faith in the Democrats' leadership, but they've proven, over and over again, that their decision trees don't always line up with reality.

Of course, with McCain pushing the limits of the Crazy Train in his own campaign, it's damn hard to really see many actual choices in this election.

Crazy old man who wants to continue the push towards insolvency and ruin for our economy--save for the top brackets who will hopefully cover his exit.

Crazy woman with baggage and little real political experience outside of being the wife of a Governor and Freshman Senator. Her "experience" has been largely second hand.

Obama, to be honest, as a Constitutional scholar, is a much more attractive choice, with a damn sight less baggage. His very lack of baggage is what I think a lot of folks are drawn to. I think that a lot of folks are just plain tired of the SSDD mentality that we've seen with the "top" candidates.

I would vote for Hitlery, but I will not be happy.


/Any one but Bush '08

The turning point for Blankley was that moment in Pennsylvania when Hillary downed a shot of Crown Royal whiskey "like she'd done it before," says Blankley. "The way she threw it down, she didn't sip it. I know something about that. I've done it myself," he chuckles.

He must have seen a different shot than I did - she sort of sipped it, I thought. Not that any of this matters to anyone but idiots who vote based on the "drinkin' buddy test."

And, attention to all Dems who have not yet had your primary or caucus yet: having Blankley the Hutt say he admires Hillary is reason #7,833,479,820 not to vote for her.

from the authors bio:

Clift and her late husband, Tom Brazaitis, who was a columnist for the Cleveland Plain Dealer, wrote two books together, "War Without Bloodshed: The Art of Politics" (Scribner, 1996), and "Madam President: Shattering the Last Glass Ceiling" (Scribner, 2000). "Madam President" is available in paperback (Routledge Press). Clift's most recent book, "Founding Sisters" is about the passage of the 19th amendment giving women the vote (John Wiley & Sons, 2003).

yeah, absolutely not voting based on her vagina.

FTA: Not that anyone will be sleeping with the fishes with Hillary in the White House,

what name pops into your head when you read this line?

Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

You realize that if Florida and Michigan are not seated, the number of delegates required to win goes down, right? And that this means that it's fairly likely that Obama will have the number needed, right?

Whamdangler: The point is moot. She can't win.

The nomination? Yes, she can. She can call in all of Bill's favors (and after 8 years as President, he's got a lot) and dig up all the skeletons for blackmail, and promise everything to everyone to get enough super delegate votes to make it over the top. She just has to keep the losses low enough to make the super delegates the swing in Denver.

If Hillary Clinton wants to get back into the White House, she'll have to wait in line for the tour like everyone else.

This article is a real "hell freezing over" sort of scenario. Everyone's safe from the wrath of the Clintons at this point.

What clip of Jus' Folks Hillary with the shot of Crown Royal was that guy watching? She sipped the thing twice.

TheCid: Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

You realize that if Florida and Michigan are not seated, the number of delegates required to win goes down, right? And that this means that it's fairly likely that Obama will have the number needed, right?

the number is down now. if they are seated, the number goes up

The "long list of grudges and grievances" thing is right. Which is why (in the unlikely event she wins), she'd never pass something like health care. People like Feingold, Kerry, and Kennedy will hold out for something really single-payer, just to piss her off. Even if they built a coalition to pass Canadian-style single-payer, she wouldn't sign it. (Ever stop to notice that she is the #1 recipient of insurance company PAC money in the entire Senate?). Then, 1994 would repeat itself in 2010.

Look to PA. 80% of voters said "gender was not a factor in their vote" (I'm sure some were lying, but bear with me). Among that 80%, Clinton and Obama were dead-even. Clinton won huge among the 20% who said "gender was a factor". Thus, Obama/Sebelius FTW. A strong, accomplished woman. Not Hillary Clinton. A substitution the other way (Clinton/Harold Ford) would be reasonably accepted if she were legitimately winning by pledged delegates. She isn't and won't be.

I'm dreaming of riots in Denver.
...Los Angeles.
...Cincinnati.
...Chicago.
...New York City.
...Atlanta.
...New Orleans.
...Houston.
...Philadelphia.
...Detroit.
...Cleveland.
...Indianapolis.
...Washington D.C.
...Memphis.

The Obama and Clinton battle is the reason why McCain has yet to pick a Vice-President. If Hillary is nominated, McCain should pick Huckabee because the Clintons tried prevent him from becoming governor in Arkansas. Or maybe Rommney to ponder what Bill will be doing in the White House. *Hint* Interns *Hint*

hubiestubert: One can hope, but things are still iffy--

Check out this link^ from Politico. This election has a lot more to do with wrangling between the DLC and the DNC than Hillary and Obama. The DLC is going down. That's why the Ted Kennedy endorsement was such a big deal. Richardson was another one but there has been a steady defection of Dem big wigs. Dean being appointed as party chair was the beginning of the end. This is just the messy final act.

They are trying to not completely alienate rank and file Dems so they are letting it play out - but it's all for show. Hillary is only in it to try to get her debts paid off and Bill just can't stop himself. He has always had very poor impulse control.

President Obama 2009!!!!

That's the first rule of usurpation, always clear out those not loyal to you. With any luck they will simply flee on their own, but the firing squad may be necessary.

FTA: Not that anyone will be sleeping with the fishes with Hillary in the White House,

what name pops into your head when you read this line?

My first thought was Vince Foster.

Just sayin'...

to answer the question, i'm voting mccain

Dateline: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2008

"In an interesting turn of events, there were no votes cast yesterday for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton. In a stunning upset, sure to be analyzed by political students and pundits for the rest of this news cycle, surprise third party candidate Lewis Black defeated Republican candidate John McCain in a landslide, carrying 41 states and the District of Columbia.
President-Elect Black says his first order of business is to build a wall between the U.S. and Canada, to keep all the cold air out..."

/Hey, it could happen

You really get the impression that this silly woman is pleasuring herself while she's writing this article.

hubiestubert: I think that a lot of folks are just plain tired of the SSDD mentality that we've seen with the "top" candidates.

This!!!

Bufu: Folks, nobody's going to have the requisite number of delegates to win when the Democratic primary season ends. So, nobody's won by then.

The requisite number of pledged delegates, you mean. This is mostly a talking point, without much substance. The superdelegates will vote for someone, and they'd pretty much have to plan it so that no one had 2025.

If the rest of the races split evenly, and Obama gets a mere third of the remaining undecided superdelegates, he'll break 2025.

Why do americans keep voting for the same DNA pool since Reagan?

C'mon, fresh blood.

McCain's isn't fresh.

The republic really needs to break away from the last 15 years or so, and go in a new direction.

Being an allie of the USA...It's like watching your best friend fall down to drugs and booze while screaming all crazy like.

I hate to say it, but Eleanor Clift always seemed like a dumbass to me. She's right to say Hillary will want payback, but she still comes off like a dumbass.

\female liberal
\\mildly pro-bama

The turning point for Blankley was that moment in Pennsylvania when Hillary downed a shot of Crown Royal whiskey "like she'd done it before," says Blankley. "The way she threw it down, she didn't sip it. I know something about that. I've done it myself," he chuckles.

W T F

Lionel already mentioned this but - Jesus, Republican pundits just can't say a damn thing without outright lying. The 'turning point' for this guy was something that never fing happened. For these kinds of people, and I guess the people who listen to them, reality is just whatever the fark they choose to remember, and that doesn't need to have anything to do with the actual events that happened.

netweavr

Now, now... Obama could die in a freak para-sailing accident off the coast of Southern California.


I would have gone with "die in a freak apparent suicide in Fort Marcy Park" if I were you.

You know what would happen if Clinton were to win?

1. Riots.
2. McCain will win.

/I'm kind of rooting for her now, I could really use a new TV.

Funk Brothers
I'm dreaming of riots in Denver.
...Los Angeles.
...Cincinnati.
...Chicago.
...New York City.
...Atlanta.
...New Orleans.
...Houston.
...Philadelphia.
...Detroit.
...Cleveland.
...Indianapolis.
...Washington D.C.
...Memphis.


You forgot Seattle. We loves to riot here.

I guess I should read better before I go posting stuff.

I think the Democratic Party is already split.



The sooner the two of them wake up, the better.

The turning point for Blankley was that moment in Pennsylvania when Hillary downed a shot of Crown Royal whiskey "like she'd done it before," says Blankley. "The way she threw it down, she didn't sip it. I know something about that. I've done it myself," he chuckles.

Oh come the Fark on. A) Why the hell does this matter, and B) who hasn't downed shots of whiskey. This is just stupid.

There's a small crowd that were prevented from being pro-Hillary by their perception that she's not human.

The whiskey shot, having removed that doubt, was her pass to win.

There's going to be payback no matter who wins, but the Clintons will be on the receiving end. For better or worse, the netroots will be gunning for Clinton and any of her faction in future Congressional elections. With the Boomers gradually dying off and African-Americans realigning with the Dean faction, the next few years could see some major carnage in the Democratic Party.