9/11 never happened, just like the whole Jewish Holocaust never happened, it is all propaganda designed to get us into a war.


/ducks

It's all BS until Al Qaida can provide a video-taped counter example to the chicken-wire thing.

Funny, I thought "Jews did WTC" was just an internet joke.

Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader issued a new audiotape Tuesday accusing Shiite Iran of spreading a conspiracy theory about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks to discredit the power of the Sunni terrorist network.

Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, has stepped up his denunciations of Iran in recent messages in part to depict al-Qaida as the Arabs' top defense against the Persian nation's rising power in the Middle East.

The increasing enmity toward Iran is a notable change of rhetoric from al-Zawahri, who in the past rarely mentioned the country -- apparently in a hopes he would be able to forge some sort of understanding with Tehran based on their common rivalry with the United States. Iran has long sought to distance itself from al-Qaida.
...

One questioner asked about the theory that has circulated in the Middle East and elsewhere that Israel was behind the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Al-Zawahri accused Hezbollah's Al-Manar television of starting the rumor. "The purpose of this lie is clear -- (to suggest) that there are no heroes among the Sunnis who can hurt America as no else did in history. Iranian media snapped up this lie and repeated it," he said.

"Iran's aim here is also clear -- to cover up its involvement with America in invading the homes of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq," he added. Iran cooperated with the United States in the 2001 U.S. assault on Afghanistan that toppled al-Qaida's allies, the Taliban.

Al-Qaida has previously claimed responsibility for the Sept. 11 attacks.

This Iran country they speak of, it seems as though they would be a solid ally against Al-Qaida. How is that coming along?

Meh, I've already seen this. (new window)

Will Al-Qaida be attacking Iran next?

/or will we beat them to it?

This is enough to make me a denier.

Because if we don't claim it was martians working in cahoots with the Rockafellers, the terrorists truly win (this retarded battle).

/A better alternative is to have Al-Q and the conspiracy theorists fight in a steel cage. History books will reflect the victors story.

Does it really need a caption?

klymen: This Iran country they speak of, it seems as though they would be a solid ally against Al-Qaida. How is that coming along?

That would have been true for Iraq too. And that's going splendidly (for Bushco)

Hey, if I'd masterminded that kind of amazing strategic and tactical assault against the mightiest nation on Earth, and succeeded in crashing three of four planes into major buildings in major cities; yeah, I'd be really pissed if somebody else was claiming responsibility for it.

It's kind of twisted, but when you pull off that kind of blood, horror, devastation, death and murder, you kind of want credit where credit's due, ya know? Sort of like serial killers don't like copycats raining on their parade.

xuanzhiyouxuan: It's all BS until Al Qaida can provide a video-taped counter example to the chicken-wire thing.

They'll photoshop a turban onto the planes. Maybe even a turban with a bomb in it.

Oh.. my.. gods! Al-Qaida is in on it!! I thought it was just the Bush administration but there's an Islamic terror group involved in 9/11 somehow. These are the people in the countries we get our oil from. This is huge! We're through the looking glass here people.

/Engage tin foil hats

but that's not what alex jones told me...

Suflig: xuanzhiyouxuan: It's all BS until Al Qaida can provide a video-taped counter example to the chicken-wire thing.

They'll photoshop a turban onto the planes. Maybe even a turban with a bomb in it.

They could maybe put a yarmulke on the WTC tourist dude.

Gyrfalcon: Hey, if I'd masterminded that kind of amazing strategic and tactical assault against the mightiest nation on Earth, and succeeded in crashing three of four planes into major buildings in major cities; yeah, I'd be really pissed if somebody else was claiming responsibility for it.

It was a few guys with small knives. Nothing amazingly tactical about it. In fact, past hijackers who actually landed the planes exhibited more skill.

/The effect of the attack is not a gauge for how amazingly strategic it was.

I Said: In fact, past hijackers who actually landed the planes exhibited more skill.

Well, I should think so.
Let's be honest, the 9/11 hijackers sucked at landings.

I Said: steel cage

You mean a chicken wire cage?

Sorias: Does it really need a caption?


YES. He ALWAYS needs a caption.
I will never get tired of that joke.

I Said:

/The effect of the attack is not a gauge for how amazingly strategic it was.

see also: sarcasm, humor.

Although most hijackers in the past who put the planes on the ground usually left the landings to the actual pilots. Hijackers in the 60's and 70's didn't start killing people till AFTER the planes were on the tarmac.

(in the video): Why do the terrorist types go to the trouble of wearing nice suits? That part of the world isn't kind to cleanliness...

/Been there, done that

Gyrfalcon: see also: sarcasm, humor.

Whoops. My bad.

If Al Quaeda is bothered by the denial of their responsibility for 9/11 then by denying their responsibility we can't be doing what they want. Conversely by attributing blame to Al Quaeda we are giving the terrorists what they want.

So if you do not deny that Al Quaeda is responsible for 9/11 the terrorists have already won the war.

mobombhead: Funny, I thought "Jews did WTC" was just an internet joke.

I wouldn't go as far to say the Jews were behind it, but it does sound like something Mossad could pull off. They are pretty much a lawless organization like the CIA.

klymen: This Iran country they speak of, it seems as though they would be a solid ally against Al-Qaida. How is that coming along?

You would think. Its people are pro-western, it's in between two countries that we're failing at securing, it's oil-rich, and they are enemies with Al Qaeda. It's a rather absurd scenario for us to have Iran in our crosshairs given the more important issues that have yet to be taken care of.

kabloink: mobombhead: Funny, I thought "Jews did WTC" was just an internet joke.

I wouldn't go as far to say the Jews were behind it, but it does sound like something Mossad could pull off. They are pretty much a lawless organization like the CIA.

I'm sure Mossad is 1,000k times more balls to the wall than the CIA is.

if Ahmadinejad really wanted to discredit the American government and the Bush admin he would just post this in his paper, he might not be able to claim the government was behind it but he can show how incompetent they are...

January 25, 2001: Clarke Warns Rice Al-Qaeda Cells Are Inside US and Are 'Major Threat'

May 30, 2001: FBI Is Warned of Major Al-Qaeda Operation in the US Involving Hijackings, Explosives, and/or New York City

Summer 2001: Bin Laden Speech Mentions 20 Martyrs in Upcoming Attack; Other Hints of Attack Spread Widely [9/11 Commission, 6/16/2004]

June 2001: Germans Warn of Plan to Use Aircraft as Missiles on US and Israeli Symbols [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Frankfurt), 9/11/2001; Washington Post, 9/14/2001; Fox News, 5/17/2002]

June 4, 2001: Illegal Afghans Overheard Discussing New York City Hijacking Attack [Miami Herald, 9/20/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001]

June 13, 2001: Bin Laden Wants to Assassinate Bush with an Explosives-Filled Airplane [New York Times, 6/4/2002]

Late Summer 2001: Jordan Warns US That Aircraft Will Be Used in Major Attack Inside the US

July 2001: India Warns US of Possible Terror Attacks [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

July 8, 2001: Prominent Prisoner Publicly Warns of Al-Qaeda Intent to Export Violence to US Soil

July 16, 2001: British Spy Agencies Warn Al-Qaeda Is in The Final Stages of Attack in the West [London Times, 6/14/2002]

Late July 2001: Argentina Relays Warning to the US [Forward, 5/31/2002]

Late July 2001: Taliban Foreign Minister Tries to Warn US and UN of Huge Attack Inside the US [Independent, 9/7/2002; Reuters, 9/7/2002]

Late July 2001: Egypt Warns CIA of 20 Al-Qaeda Operatives in US; Four Training to Fly [CBS News, 10/9/2002]

August 2001: Moroccan Informant Warns US of Large Scale, Imminent Attack in New York [Agence France-Presse, 11/22/2001; International Herald Tribune, 5/21/2002; London Times, 6/12/2002]

August 2001: Russia Warns US of Suicide Pilots [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

August 2001: Persian Gulf Informant Gives Ex-CIA Agent Information About 'Spectacular Terrorist Operation' [Baer, 2002, pp. 55-58; Financial Times, 1/12/2002]

Early August 2001: Britain Warns US Again; Specifies Multiple Airplane Hijackings [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 5/19/2002]

August 8-15, 2001: Israel Reportedly Warns of Major Assault on the US [Daily Telegraph, 9/16/2001; Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001]

August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorist Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named [Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/1/2002]

August 24, 2001: Foreign Intelligence Reminds US of Al-Qaeda Plot to Attack within US

August 29, 2001: Cayman Islands Letter Warns of 'Major Terrorist Act Against US via an Airline or Airlines' [Miami Herald, 9/20/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001; MSNBC, 9/23/2001]

August 30, 2001-September 4, 2001: Egypt Warns Al-Qaeda Is in Advanced Stages of Planning Significant Attack on US [New York Times, 6/4/2002]

Late August 2001: French Warning to US Echoes Earlier Israeli Warning [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

September 4, 2001: Mossad Gives Another Warning of Major, Imminent Attack [Sunday Mail, 9/16/2001]

September 7, 2001: French Give 'Very Specific Information' about Possible Attack on US Soil [Le Figaro (Paris), 10/31/2001]

Al Qaeda did do it. I heard that on 9/11 not one person showed up to work at the al Qaeda office in Tower 2. That's what my uncle told me, and he knows a guy who used to work across from them, so it must be true.

Sofa King Awesome: Al Qaeda did do it. I heard that on 9/11 not one person showed up to work at the al Qaeda office in Tower 2. That's what my uncle told me, and he knows a guy who used to work across from them, so it must be true.

Ok, that made me giggle hard.

Speaking of conspiracy theories... two retards in the cubicles behind mine just had an idiotic conversation about how white people don't look like black people or Chinese people, and how Chinese people supposedly look like indigenous Mexicans. The brilliant conclusion of the conversation went like this:

"I think it was aliens."
"Yeah, probably."

klymen: This Iran country they speak of, it seems as though they would be a solid ally against Al-Qaida. How is that coming along?

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

I have done a lot of serious 9/11 "alternative theory" research and no one in the "truth" movement takes seriously the allegations that "the Jews" or Israel were responsible.

Of course there are the "dancing Israelis" and the "art students" and the mysterious moving company...but those are largely thought to be Mossad monitoring operations.

Both the Mossad and the FBI were tracking the whereabouts and movements of the alleged hijackers shortly before the attacks. Make of that what you will.

That's an odd thing for a group that's never admitted to doing it before now to say. If you wanted the credit you should have said you did it right away, instead of denying involvement but praising whoever did it.

You'd think a professional group of terrorists would know that by now, especially over something as big as 9/11, you'd expect them to jump at the chance to say they did it, instead of waiting 5 years.

J. Frank Parnell
Didn't Osama Bin Laden come forward immediately? That's why the FBI had to spirit his relatives out of the country so quickly.

xuanzhiyouxuan: It's all BS until Al Qaida can provide a video-taped counter example to the chicken-wire thing.

DO NOT DOUBT THE CHICKEN-WIRE THING!

Infidel.

fernt: Both the Mossad and the FBI were tracking the whereabouts and movements of the alleged hijackers shortly before the attacks. Make of that what you will.

Got a source for this?

Because that really sounds like important information.

The GOP are proud of it too and don't want you to forget. Coincedence?

J. Frank Parnell: That's not an odd thing for a group that's never admitted to denied doing it before now to say. If you wanted the credit you should have said you did it right away, instead of denying involvement but praising whoever did it.

FTFY, loonie. They have said several times that they've done it. Unfortunately idiots ignore this fact and run with a bullshiat theory supported by nothing. They've said WHY they did it, and a sizable amount of people are told it's "because we're free" and bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Egalitarian: J. Frank Parnell
Didn't Osama Bin Laden come forward immediately? That's why the FBI had to spirit his relatives out of the country so quickly.

Nah, to this day 9/11 isn't linked to Osama, at least according to the FBI's 10 most wanted list and everywhere else outside the Media's sphere of Bullshiat.

A lot of things were "lost in translation", outright manipulated, and taken out of context in his movies after 9/11, for instance him saying they didn't do it but praising whoever did became "Osama praises 9/11 hijackers" on CNN, making everyone assume with no evidence that he was to blame.

As far as publicly admitting to do it, only these recent people we've never heard of before are saying they did it. And even the FBI doesn't believe them, if they did you'd see changes about Osama.

/media reality =/= reality

J. Frank Parnell: You'd think a professional group of terrorists would know that by now, especially over something as big as 9/11, you'd expect them to jump at the chance to say they did it, instead of waiting 5 years.

You'd think that if this was done by anybody other than them, they would have instantly denied having ever done it. You would also think that somebody involved would have leaked this said plot.

The Kurds do not allow them in their region, and the Shiites, like the Iranians, detest al Qaeda. To understand why, one need only take note of the al Qaeda public diplomacy campaign over the past year or so on internet blogs. They implore the United States to bomb and invade Iran and destroy this apostate Shiite regime. As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on spreading the war to Iran."

-Lt. General William E. Odom, USA (Ret.)
Senior Advisor,
Center for Strategic and International Studies
Former Director,
National Security Agency
Washington, DC

andrewagill: fernt: Both the Mossad and the FBI were tracking the whereabouts and movements of the alleged hijackers shortly before the attacks. Make of that what you will.

Got a source for this?

Because that really sounds like important information.

Just Google for it. Here's a couple I just found.

December 2000-April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers
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According to later German reports, "a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, [follow] the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States.... In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they [identify]... Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents [live] in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock." Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation. [Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/1/2002]


In August 2001, mere weeks before the greatest mass murder of civilians in U.S. history, the Justice Department squelched two prescient efforts to avert the attacks. In Minneapolis, FBI agents frantically sought permission to search the possessions of one Zacarias Moussaoui, a bumbling, suspicious flight student and a colleague of Islamic fundamentalists. In New York, another FBI agent no less frantically sought clearance to throw his squad into an 11th-hour search for Khalid Almihdar, an al-Qaida operative at large in the country. Source (new window)

Deniers?

Egalitarian: J. Frank Parnell
Didn't Osama Bin Laden come forward immediately? That's why the FBI had to spirit his relatives out of the country so quickly.

You'll notice he isn't wanted for the attacks on 9/11. See his FBI Top Ten flier.

Ah, I see the deniers have shown up. Hey fernt, how do you feel about one of your troofer friends attacking a girl in a wheelchair and failing to even hurt her. Oh, you guys are so tough.

Manfred J. Hattan: Ah, I see the deniers have shown up. Hey fernt, how do you feel about one of your troofer friends attacking a girl in a wheelchair and failing to even hurt her. Oh, you guys are so tough.

Nice try. Did you even read the article you linked to? Nothing to do with a "truther"

fernt: Nice try. Did you even read the article you linked to? Nothing to do with a "truther"

You say that in every thread, and in every thread when pressed you come out as a troofer. You share much with your fellow troofer the wheelchair attacker. Are you contributing to his legal fund?

Nanan: 9/11 never happened, just like the whole Jewish Holocaust never happened, it is all propaganda designed to get us into a war.


/ducks

Yeah. And that whole Vietnam thing, never happened.

/obvious?

Manfred J. Hattan: fernt: Nice try. Did you even read the article you linked to? Nothing to do with a "truther"

You say that in every thread, and in every thread when pressed you come out as a troofer. You share much with your fellow troofer the wheelchair attacker. Are you contributing to his legal fund?

I have no dog in this race, but I read the article twice and it doesn't say anything about this guy being a troofer. He was yelling obscenities but they didn't go into any specifics. Or did I miss something?

Is anyone who yells obscenities at the first lady a troofer?