Hopefully as a bathroom attendant.

I bought a legit copy of the DVD from a store! Let me skip the moronic anti-piracy message (that only serves to tell MORE people that you can download free movies over the internet... nice play, Shakespeare!). And stop suing dead people.

Saborlas: Hopefully as a bathroom attendant.

I bought a legit copy of the DVD from a store! Let me skip the moronic anti-piracy message (that only serves to tell MORE people that you can download free movies over the internet... nice play, Shakespeare!). And stop suing dead people.

I'm of the opinion that P2P has replaced radio, not so much record sales. It allows you to hear things that shiatty commercial radio won't play anymore, or, at least, won't play until they've aired a shiatload of commercials.

Which is why the recording industry needs to get behind a free music on demand service like last.fm, SpiralFrog, or even what MySpace is doing. At least put it out in the open, so you can see what people do want again.

A Swedish policeman who helped investigate The Pirate Bay is now working for Warners Brothers, one of the big-name film companies that helped drive the investigation and is now a plaintiff in the pending court case against the swashbuckling P2P file sharing site.

If a thief steals from a thief, is it still theft?

Not that copyright violation is theft, but that's what the hordes of ignorant fools who (for some reason) support RIAA/MPAA in their insane dedication to ancient technology and outmoded business models redefine as 'theft'. I know, I know, the idea that someone could actually think RIAA was right is mind boggling...but there really are people who are stupid and ignorant enough to support their 'cause'.

Why don't movie theaters offer pay-for-play services over the internet? Most people just download movies because they don't want to have to go to the theater with thousands of screaming preteens making dialog difficult to hear and fat people leaking into their seats.

Smellvin: Why don't movie theaters offer pay-for-play services over the internet? Most people just download movies because they don't want to have to go to the theater with thousands of screaming preteens making dialog difficult to hear and fat people leaking into their seats.

What, you mean adapt to changing technology and audience? NO! Why can't they stay the same, spending no more money and make just as much profits as they always have? Excuse me, I mean, have as much growth, it's more than just profits these farkers want.

seed plz

Weaver95: Not that copyright violation is theft, but that's what the hordes of ignorant fools who (for some reason) support RIAA/MPAA in their insane dedication to ancient technology and outmoded business models redefine as 'theft'. I know, I know, the idea that someone could actually think RIAA was right is mind boggling...but there really are people who are stupid and ignorant enough to support their 'cause'.

Whatever you do DO NOT tell a small band you like burning music.

/This is like stealing from a mom & pop store instead of Wally World
//RIAA is stupid

perhaps if they weren't perpetually trying to screw us all sideways we might be more sympathetic, but to hear 'sir' cliff richard whining that he wants paying for over 50 years for a single song and complaining that it's unfair that people don't pay for the mere mention of his name whilst driving gold plated cars into his giant mansions sorta makes me feel like pirating music more.

Besides, when they are selling DVDs in china for $1 each (and still turning a profit, i might add) - it makes it all the worse when people in the UK have to pay as much as $40 for a new release. (yes, RRP is £19.99 for a new dvd)

Don't Sweedish cops know that the payoff is supposed to be under the table?

RemyDuron: Smellvin: Why don't movie theaters offer pay-for-play services over the internet? Most people just download movies because they don't want to have to go to the theater with thousands of screaming preteens making dialog difficult to hear and fat people leaking into their seats.

What, you mean adapt to changing technology and audience? NO! Why can't they stay the same, spending no more money and make just as much profits as they always have? Excuse me, I mean, have as much growth, it's more than just profits these farkers want.

They can't charge you $3.75 for a 12oz Coke or dollar store candy for $4 if they stream it to your home.
I'm not sure about you but just a movie ticket is $11.50 now a days. Which is funny because you can buy a copy on DVD for $15.

I believe the RIAA thinks people who download movies or music would actually pay if they were given a chance.

/No thanks I'll just wait for my friend to rent it.

I can't understand why anyone is surprised by this. The majors aren't done freaking out about their cash models, and in the mean time, it's a free-for-all to see who gets fooked.

trendon: DoWhatNowToWhat:
Whatever you do DO NOT tell a small band you like burning music.


You ain't kidding. I am (was, as I never see them anymore) friends of the band Matchbook Romance. Their music is OK, but I went to all the local shows here in Westchester County just to support them.

As soon as they signed a deal and they came back to town, one of the first questions I got was if I was still downloading music. Then, the conversation turned even more sour.

It was like the industry makes you sign the contract and then requires that you take a shot. The shot makes you hate downloading music, like Starbucks, dress worse than ever, care about Darfur, and have a sudden urge to do urban poetry.

I know two bands that "made it big" and if they are any indication about what happens to signed bands, then the whole industry is filled with brainless automatons.

They are probably overwhelmed by how deep in debt they are.

If something can be distributed to everybody on the planet effortlessly and for free, it should be. PERIOD. The very fact that it's possible to do so proves that selling the media on plastic cartridges and discs is keeping the price of media artificially high and inhibiting technological progress.

"But the artists will have no incentive to create anymore!" Cry me a river. So they're millionaires instead of billionaires...big deal. Plenty of alternative ways for those people to make money. It might require a shift of marketing strategy, but that's just progression of civilization and technology.

The shady legal practices these corporations engage in against file-sharers just further hurts their cause.

Uhm, I hit the Sun site and Kaspersky shot me a Trojan downloader warning. Something like Trojan.downloader.Gida.b - anyone else get hit by that?

trendon: DoWhatNowToWhat:
Whatever you do DO NOT tell a small band you like burning music.


You ain't kidding.

I wouldn't say that's true across the board. A lot of small bands recognize that the real money is made from shows and selling t-shirts, and appreciate the ability the internet gives them to 'get their music out' there. It may even be on a par with getting on the radio back in the day, except anyone can do it, and if the music is good, it'll spread 'virally'.

Disregard, I hit the wrong thread with a UK newspaper, d'oh.

Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck. This does sound like a conflict of interest, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. They're all still guilty.

I'll willing buy music from bands who sell it over the internet straight to costumers. I won't buy from most record companies unless I really like the band. I bought VAST's entire discography because it was for sale right on their site.

How come I'm the only grammar Nazi to notice that subby doesn't know how to spell the past tense of the verb "lead"?

/Hint: it's led.

ParagonComplex: Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck. This does sound like a conflict of interest, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. They're all still guilty.

I use Stylish, so there are no bad site layouts any more. You should see the way Fark looks in my browser- you wouldn't believe it's the same site.

I wish media was still worth stealing.

RemyDuron: I'll willing buy music from bands who sell it over the internet straight to costumers. I won't buy from most record companies unless I really like the band. I bought VAST's entire discography because it was for sale right on their site.

Same here. One of my most expensive CDs was straight from a great British band. Got all their CD, had downloaded some to hear what they had on each album and loved them enough for that.

Myspace is a great place to listen and some bands will sell direct. Something for everyone and you can find much more adventure in music that you ever thought possible.

I don't bother with myspace or bit torrent or any of that. NOthing much in popular music that interests me anyways....

TFA: Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck.

Other people care -- people who actually want to find the torrents they're looking for, and prefer to have a site that isn't offline for weeks at a time. Demonoid is for the posers, bud...

ParagonComplex: Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck. This does sound like a conflict of interest, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. They're all still guilty.

Demonoid is back? Great!
Yes, just logged in. Gotta go now. Music to acquire. Just got the 160G a month ago, and I'm only up to 65G. Wohoo!

I think musicians should sell directly over the internet around the big companies.

They just need to make sure to be able to sell from day one their music first is heard - here I'm specifically thinking about the music heard in the cliffhanger in BSG, 'All along the Watchtower' by BT4.

If they (BT4) had used their heads and anticipated the instant popularity, they could have become millionaires over a weekend. I know I was more than willing to buy it but they had just written on their homepage that it would be on their coming album in august...

Nevermind whether torrents or P2P or PB's illicit content is good or bad, please focus on the main underlying issue: Warner is intentionally subverting the law for their financial gain.

I'm just going to repeat that again in case you missed it:
Warner is intentionally subverting the law for their financial gain.

I'm just disgusted by this. How long until crooked execs no longer feel comfortable hiding behind the corporate veil? How long before corporations are truly part of their local community, and the world community? The only way my trust in movie empires is going to be restored is if Warner can prove that they had no idea during the hiring process that this guy was part of the ongoing investigation. I work at a large corporation where the hiring process is completely separate, so although unlikely, this scenario is possible...

/not thru first latte yet
//jetlagged
///posting this from apple store

I dont belive that P2P sharing is theft. Theft implies you take something away from someone and they no longer have it.
If I stole your car you would not have it anymore and I would. But if I somehow made a copy of your car and you still had your original and I now had a copy thats not theft. The only thing I am guilty of is getting a car for free.

Cop who led investigation. Sheesh!

t3knomanser,

From the bottom of my heart, thank you. I can now look at Fark again without my eyes bleeding. I owe you one.

wmoonfox: TFA: Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck.

Other people care -- people who actually want to find the torrents they're looking for, and prefer to have a site that isn't offline for weeks at a time. Demonoid is for the posers, bud...

Posers? I don't know about that. It's just much easier to use. If I can't find it on Demnoid, I check PB, but I prefer the format of D. Can't see a need to name call though.

This article inspired me to go download the last 3 episodes of The Office from Pirate Bay.

Wait, why is Warner Brothers suing Jason Bay?

bheilig: Cop who led investigation. Sheesh!

Really? I've always spelled it lead...

/off to dikshunarey.com I go

DoWhatNowToWhat: I'm not sure about you but just a movie ticket is $11.50 now a days. Which is funny because you can buy a copy on DVD for $15.

This is why I've pretty much stopped going to movies. Even the cheap mall theater is $8 a ticket (minus a buck on one of them for my student discount), so if the three of us go see something it's $23 plus popcorn, drinks, etc. It's about $40 all told. Even if I just go to the matinée by myself and get my munchies from Target it's still about $10. And like you said, the DVD is only $15 or $20 a few months later.

Which has no annoying assholes talking and hooting throughout it, and I can pause, rewind, and -- most importantly -- watch it in my underwear at 3AM. Just TRY that at a theater and see what happens.

Plus subtitles/CC, which are almost mandatory when you combine background noise, farked up accents and being half deaf.

chilled wren
Wait, why is Warner Brothers suing Jason Bay?


Came here to ask the same thing, if it's not Jason Bay, then why exactly should I care about this story?

politech: Don't Sweedish cops know that the payoff is supposed to be under the table?

But your picture is of two hands shaking. Do people shake hands under tables a lot?

I'm convinced that Jonathan Coulton's business model represents the future of music.

To put this in perspective, the entire number of copyright/IP specialists in Sweden, be it public and private investigators, technology specialists, lawyers, experts, etc is only somewhere around 800 in number at a maximum. This includes the major media companies assigned employees and subcontractors.

There is NO possible way the people at Time Warner's Swedish subsidiary didn't know this police officer was the lead investigator for the biggest lawsuit the subsidiary has ever filed in it's history.

This is payola on a grand scale, quid pro quo and pay to play, wrapped inside the power of the state, with the barrel of a gun of the State used as the physical threat against civil law suspects.

Much like the United States, but Swedes actually stood up and protected their society from these transgressions of corporate and state conflicts of interest.

RamblingKey: There is NO possible way the people at Time Warner's Swedish subsidiary didn't know this police officer was the lead investigator for the biggest lawsuit the subsidiary has ever filed in it's history.

In the end, it hasn't really mattered much. File trading technology has only become more and more pervasive and accepted around the world. The more RIAA/MPAA try to crack down on it, the more popular it becomes. NONE of their attempts to shut down bit torrent clients have succeeded.

Eventually they'll be forced to change their business model(s) and adapt to life in the 21st century.

Quantum Apostrophe: politech: Don't Sweedish cops know that the payoff is supposed to be under the table?

But your picture is of two hands shaking. Do people shake hands under tables a lot?

You have to pay extra for that.

Whatever you do DO NOT tell a small band you like burning music.

Their record company probably keeps telling them: Sorry, we can't pay you. It has nothing to do with the crappy contract. We'd have those big royalty checks for your already if it weren't for those damn downloading kids.

I am in a "small" band....SlingBlade
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Download anything we do, anytime, anywhere...It gives us the much needed exposure that all "small" bands need to survive....

We sell our music strictly on line....

/Fark a buncha RIAA
//and the horse they rode in on

DoWhatNowToWhat Whatever you do DO NOT tell a small band you like burning music.

Fail. Small bands are threatened by obscurity, not by piracy.

Does anyone have a demonoid invitation they want to pass on to a fellow farker?

theewhiterhino Just got the 160G a month ago, and I'm only up to 65G. Wohoo!

Slacker! :)

oldrocknroller: I am in a "small" band....SlingBlade

I love your French-Fried Potaters album

oldrocknroller - like your stuff, I passed it on to one my friends who reviews music.

ParagonComplex: Who cares if Pirate Bay goes away. Demonoid is back. I can't believe people actually use Pirate Bay. What a horrible site layout. Yuck. This does sound like a conflict of interest, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. They're all still guilty.

I came in here to say this.

Yay Demonoid!

prekrasno: How come I'm the only grammar Nazi to notice that subby doesn't know how to spell the past tense of the verb "lead"?

/Hint: it's led.

You're not; I came here to say that, too.

Magnificient,
Shoot me an email at sundayservices on gmail. I'll be happy to hook you up.