Well, do they?

Also, is this from McCain himself, or just some organization which supports him. Have we not learned from the Rev. Wright situation, that we cannot judge a canidate by his supporters?

This is just the beginning of the Republican onslaught, but at least now we're starting to see the General Election starting up. I can't wait until Hillary concedes defeat and has to start defending Obama (if she wants to keep her senate seat anyway).



He is this big...

That uncredited quote is drawn from an interview published Monday by conservative news site World Net Daily, whose current headlines include "District bans 'John 3:16,' promotes demonic leer" and "Lesbian demands custody of Christian mom's 6-year-old."



wtf? The McCain campaign is pulling material from World Nut Daily to attack Obama. Wow...

Did he mention that pretty much every terrorist on planet earth wanted Bush to win the last election.

It makes sense for them to want a Muslim in the White House.

Obama's church printed supportive Hamas blather on their church bulletins, so maybe they're just returning the favor.

submitter: McCain campaign would never try to falsely link B. Hussien Osama to radical muslims. Except in emails claiming Hamas supports him in the presidential race

And in headlines where Barack Obama is referred to as B. Hussien Osama

Ryan2065: It makes sense for them to want a Muslim in the White House.

Exactly. I don't really see why Big Hummus wouldn't want one of their own. That's what those people eat for gosh sake.

neglogon: And in headlines where Barack Obama is referred to as B. Hussien Osama

Why? That's his middle name. Yup, the same as Saddam's last name.

Solid State Vittles

That's his middle name. Yup, the same as Saddam's last name.

That was also Jebus' middle name, Jebus Hussein Christ, though most people now just use the middle initial.

Solid State Vittles: Why? That's his middle name. Yup, the same as Saddam's last name.

Too bad that Hussein isn't Saddam's last name.

But, please do keep up the Barack HUSSEIN Obama stuff. It's quite entertaining.

Their opinion wouldn't matter, even if they came out in support of bacon.

LessO2: Solid State Vittles: Why? That's his middle name. Yup, the same as Saddam's last name.

Too bad that Hussein isn't Saddam's last name.

But, please do keep up the Barack HUSSEIN Obama stuff. It's quite entertaining.

You are very correct: Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti

"Hussein" was Saddam's middle name. Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti made up his last name.

So this image is a Photoshop and Ahmed Yousef didn't make that comment?

muck4doo: "Hussein" was Saddam's middle name. Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti made up his last name.

I thought it was his family name/surname. The concept of first, middle, and last doesn't really apply.

mediaho: muck4doo: "Hussein" was Saddam's middle name. Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti made up his last name.

I thought it was his family name/surname. The concept of first, middle, and last doesn't really apply.

You could be right. I know Hussein was his fathers first name. Their family re-unions must have been a blast.

I think Ahmed Yousef wants McCain in the White House. If I were him, and I was aware of how my support could affect the election, I would back the guy I wouldn't want to win.

If a candidates foreign policy is such that Hamas supports it, why wouldn't that be of interest to people who might think Hamas is a tad on the bat shiat insane side?

Why wouldn't Hamas voice support for Obama? One of his party's own elder statesmen is exchanging big, wet smooches with their leader even as we speak...

klymen: I think Ahmed Yousef wants McCain in the White House. If I were him, and I was aware of how my support could affect the election, I would back the guy I wouldn't want to win.

Would want to be able to declare a win for islam by ridding the infidels from islamic lands and widening your control through Obama pulling the troops out... or continue to risk a backlash of mothers tired of their sons dying by McCain keeping them there?

I'll take their word for it.

Can someone remind what Hamas has done against U.S that people should care about who they support?

You're missing the important point here: Who is Cat Stevens supporting?

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Would want to be able to declare a win for islam by ridding the infidels from islamic lands and widening your control through Obama pulling the troops out... or continue to risk a backlash of mothers tired of their sons dying by McCain keeping them there?

that backlash is none existent. Palestinian mothers will continue to sacrifice their sons. Also Hamas is pretty much exclusively part of the "Israel-Palestine" conflict, not a whole lot to do with Iraq and the troops.

BravadoGT: Why wouldn't Hamas voice support for Obama? One of his party's own elder statesmen is exchanging big, wet smooches with their leader even as we speak...

Wow, that's some latent homosexuality you got goin on there.

The Republican farktard is strong in this thread.

madmann: You're missing the important point here: Who is Cat Stevens supporting?

Doesn't matter since he's not a USA citizen. He's Iraqi.

klymen: Can someone remind what Hamas has done against U.S that people should care about who they support?

1. Americans killed by Hamas:

December 1, 1993: Yitzhak Weinstock, age 19, an American-Israeli student whose family came from Los Angeles, was murdered by Hamas terrorists in a drive-by shooting attack near El Bireh, north of Jerusalem.

October 9, 1994: Nachshon Wachsman, an American-Israeli, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas terrorists.

August 21, 1995, Jerusalem, Israel. A bus bombing in Jerusalem by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) killed four, including American Joan Davenny, and wounded more than 100.

February 25, 1996, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bomber blew up a commuter bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring 80 others, among them another three U.S. citizens. Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing.

March 4, 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel. A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device outside the Dizengoff Center,David Boim Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall, killing 20 March 4, 1996 Tel Aviv Bombing persons and injuring 75 others, including two U.S. citizens. Both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. May 13, 1996, Beit-El, West Bank. Arab gunmen opened fire on a hitchhiking stand near Beit El, wounding three Israelis and killing David Boim (Right Photo), 17, an American- Israeli from New York. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, although either the Islamic Jihad or Hamas are suspected.

July 30, 1997, Jerusalem, Israel. Two bombs detonated in Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market, killing 15 persons, including a U.S. citizen and wounding 168 others, among them two U.S. citizens. The Izz-el-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 4, 1997: Yael Botwin, age 14, an American-Israeli from the Los Angeles suburb of Claremont killed in a Hamas suicide bombing attack in downtown Jerusalem.

August 9, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bombing at Sbarro's, a pizzeria situated in one of the busiest areas of downtown Jerusalem, killed 15 people, including a 31-year-old tourist from New Jersey, Shoshana Greenbaum and wounded more than 90. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 31, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Seven people including four Americans, Marla Bennett (24) of Marla Bennett David Gritz Benjamin Blutstein Janis Ruth CoulterSan Diego, California, David Gritz (24) of Peru, Massachusetts, Benjamin Blutstein (25) of Susquehanna Township, Pennsylvania and Janis Ruth Coulter (36) from New York were murdered when a remote-controlled bomb detonated in the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria on Jerusalem's Hebrew University Mt. Scopus campus. Eighty-six others were injured. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

2. Threats against United States from Hamas:

2003: Hamas threatens US (VOA)
2004: Hamas threatens US (again) (CNS)
2006: Hamas calls for attacks on U.S. targets MSNBC
2006 (again) (Jpost)

3. The Hamas-Iran Alliance Link

BravadoGT: 1. Americans killed by Hamas:

Dude, you couldn't even fill a bus with those bodies. That doesn't count.

Ryan2065: BravadoGT: 1. Americans killed by Hamas:

Dude, you couldn't even fill a bus with those bodies. That doesn't count.

cameroncrazy1984: BravadoGT: Why wouldn't Hamas voice support for Obama? One of his party's own elder statesmen is exchanging big, wet smooches with their leader even as we speak...

Wow, that's some latent homosexuality you got goin on there.

Oh good! I was hoping a DJ would show up to school us all on complex, middle-eastern politics...

Ryan2065: That doesn't count



You'll want to turn to chaper 4 - Moving the Goalpost

Of course they like him, so they can re-enact "Mars Attacks" without the green costumes

Solid State Vittles: madmann: You're missing the important point here: Who is Cat Stevens supporting?

Doesn't matter since he's not a USA citizen. He's Iraqi.

Really? When did that happen? He was a UK citizen when he got popped for Having An Islamic Name On An Aircraft.

I swear, if Hamas released a statement that commanded Americans to have sex, 29% would become celibate just to spite them.

Has it crossed their mind that by always doing the opposite of what crazies say they want Hamas is exerting exactly as much control over them as if they believed Hamas's word were law?

BravadoGT: Oh good! I was hoping a DJ would show up to school us all on complex, middle-eastern politics...

So they don't directly attack us (our citizens seem to get caught in the crossfire every now and then) and get mad when we help their enemy? If we stopped supporting Israel do you think they would be a threat to us?

Spanky_McFarksalot: You'll want to turn to chaper 4 - Moving the Goalpost

I don't know that he actually did answer that question. The question was what has Hamas done against the US and in his response he cited reports where Hamas was obviously not targeting people for being American but for either being an Israeli or the Americans were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Do you really think those death examples are good examples for what Hamas has done against America?

BravadoGBravadoGT:
1. Americans killed by Hamas:

Attacks on Israel in which a few American-Israelis were killed indiscriminately =/= attacks on America. I'm no fan of their methods, but you're the one moving the goalposts here.

Ryan2065: BravadoGT: Oh good! I was hoping a DJ would show up to school us all on complex, middle-eastern politics...

So they don't directly attack us (our citizens seem to get caught in the crossfire every now and then) and get mad when we help their enemy? If we stopped supporting Israel do you think they would be a threat to us?

Hamas doesn't get to decide who the United States supports and who it doesn't. And we're certainly not going to capitulate to this evil group in the hope of some sort of appeasement...

Krymore: BravadoGBravadoGT:
1. Americans killed by Hamas:

Attacks on Israel in which a few American-Israelis were killed indiscriminately =/= attacks on America. I'm no fan of their methods, but you're the one moving the goalposts here.

Hamas deliberately chooses civilian locations in tourist areas and attacks them with weapons of indiscriminate destruction, fully aware that more than Israelis will be killed. In fact, they count on it, since it gets a lot more coverage when foreigners are among the dead. They are not entitled to a pass for murdering those people....

BravadoGT: Hamas doesn't get to decide who the United States supports and who it doesn't. And we're certainly not going to capitulate to this evil group in the hope of some sort of appeasement...

I don't suggest we do that... I also am not dumb enough to think that the enemy of my friend is my friend. They haven't directly attacked us and they have only threatened us when we support their enemy, so I'm not seeing this as a huge crisis. It is very clear they are Israel's enemy, not ours.

BravadoGT:
Hamas deliberately chooses civilian locations

Yes, they do, I'm not debating that, and I'm not condoning it. It's still not an attack on America. It's an attack on Israel.

appeasement

This word does not mean what you seem to think it means. You are being dishonest, and I suspect you know it.

BravadoGT: And we're certainly not going to capitulate to this evil group in the hope of some sort of appeasement...

Oh hey! I think I've got an incoming transmission from Hamas:

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American pig-dogs- do not eat a bowl of dicks. DO NOT EAT A BOWL OF DICKS.

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Are you going to capitulate? Appease their demands?

Krymore: BravadoGT:
Hamas deliberately chooses civilian locations

Yes, they do, I'm not debating that, and I'm not condoning it. It's still not an attack on America. It's an attack on Israel.

appeasement

This word does not mean what you seem to think it means. You are being dishonest, and I suspect you know it.

Appeasement: "acquiring peace by way of concessions ór gifts (the verb 'to pay' also goes back to the Latin 'pax' = peace). Most commonly, appeasement is used for the policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles."

Example: If the United States were to agree to halt support of Israel in the wake of declarations by Hamas like "America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons."

and

"by supporting Israel's war crimes and massacres, you [Americans] have turned yourselves into a legitimate target for all Palestinians and Muslims."

--that would be a form of appeasement.

hillbillypharmacist: BravadoGT: And we're certainly not going to capitulate to this evil group in the hope of some sort of appeasement...

Oh hey! I think I've got an incoming transmission from Hamas:

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American pig-dogs- do not eat a bowl of dicks. DO NOT EAT A BOWL OF DICKS.

**************************

Are you going to capitulate? Appease their demands?

Sampling the merchandise again, are we?

BravadoGT: Sampling the merchandise again, are we?

I didn't figure you'd have a worthwhile response. You know I'm right.

hillbillypharmacist: BravadoGT: Sampling the merchandise again, are we?

I didn't figure you'd have a worthwhile response. You know I'm right.

My apologies: I thought the exchange rate was still 1-1 for inane comments...

USP .45: So this image is a Photoshop and Ahmed Yousef didn't make that comment?

It kind of goes without saying that the picture is a mock up of some kind, duh! You think that's a photograph of an official statement or something? As to if he said it, did he? Do we have any actual evidence that he did? Did he say it in that context, or is that one snippet of a line? The burden of proof lies with the positive assertion, it up to someone to show he did indeed make the comment, not for anyone to show he didn't.

Doesn't surprise me Hamas would prefer Obama. I think almost every leader of every country in the world would prefer Obama (or even Clinton) to '1000 years of war and destruction' McCain. For some reason, the US has a tradition of electing leaders that piss off the rest of the world 'just because it makes us look tough'. Of course the people who vote that way likely have never left the country, but that's another story.

Since Obama's brother and cousin are already well-known Muslim radicals in Kenya, it's really not that hard to make a connection.

BravadoGT: Why wouldn't Hamas voice support for Obama? One of his party's own elder statesmen is exchanging big, wet smooches with their leader even as we speak...

oh yes Obama has hot man sex with terrorists and their camels every night.
in your dreams

Who cares what Hamas wants when it comes to who we elect. It isn't like any of the 3 persons running for power will suddenly let them move into DC, occupy large lobbyist groups and gain access to the ability for us to send them money and military equipment to take land that isn't theirs. It is also very doubtful that Hamas is going to attack the US, as much as it is unlikely that Iran will attack the US on US soil.

The US is far more likely to attack them. And that's a bad idea. Which of the 3 candidates are likely to NOT go into another war/military action?

BravadoGT: 1. Americans killed by Hamas:

I wonder how many Palestinians have been killed by American weapons...