He's talking to the delegates from New Hampshire, he's talking to the ones from South Carolina and Oklahoma And Arizona. And North Dakota And New Mexico! And the ones from California and Texas and New York! And he needs the ones from South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan! And then he's going to Washington D.C. to talk to Sheldon Whitehouse. YEAH!

SilentStrider: He's talking to the delegates from New Hampshire, he's talking to the ones from South Carolina and Oklahoma And Arizona. And North Dakota And New Mexico! And the ones from California and Texas and New York! And he needs the ones from South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan! And then he's going to Washington D.C. to talk to Sheldon Whitehouse. YEAH!

Wolf Blitzer: We could see Barack Obama losing big to Hillary Clinton or Clinton not doing so well, having to fend off more calls for her to withdraw from the race.

Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics:
- Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.

- Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.

Stay classy, Wolf.

This is a good idea.

If this goes on to the convention and there are still many undeclared super-delegates that vote on the day, then whichever side loses is going to feel like the nomination was stolen from them.

It is much better if there is a clear picture right now, so we know how many more votes a candidate needs in order to win.

So it really would be the people deciding.

At the moment the Clinton message is vote for me now and maybe later I can somehow convince the superdelegates to vote for me. So this will help people decide what they want to do.

It is quite amusing that Hillary keeps saying that she wants every persons vote to count, but then her whole strategy is based upon getting the superdelegates to overturn the peoples choice.

I am just wondering what is wrong with Americans?

We let them hoist this "Super-Delegate" term on us and they decide the nominee?

I guess that makes the American people who should be deciding the vote Super-Stupid.

Wolf Blitzer: We could see Barack Obama losing big to Hillary Clinton

It's either lose to her, or he will lose Mondale-style to McCain.

That's the reason so many of the big money, big pull Dems haven't got behind Obama yet. They know what's going to happen to him next, and you can't blame Clinton or anyone else for it. Obama can't win.

The Dems are farked. President Grandpa McCain reporting for duty.

yeah put McCain in because Bush has done so well.

/case rested
//wish canada was warmer.

barneyfifesbullet: It's either lose to her, or he will lose Mondale-style to McCain.

//wish canada was warmer.

Buy a parka and don't let the door smack your ass, lexshine.

barneyfifesbullet: It's either lose to her, or he will lose Mondale-style to McCain.

This just in: barneyfifesbullet lives in Bizarro World.

/slightly off-topic

Why do Hillary supporters constantly have to post their comments to CNN.com, ABC.com, etc. in all caps?

I suppose the answer is obvious, but it's really farking annoying.

Note quite as annoying as hillaryis44, but close.

ElQue: /slightly off-topic

Why do Hillary supporters constantly have to post their comments to CNN.com, ABC.com, etc. in all caps?

I suppose the answer is obvious, but it's really farking annoying.

Note quite as annoying as hillaryis44, but close.

i don't know, so here's a picture of a girl hammering a nail into a board with a banana

Yay!

Thanks, Burndtdan

burndtdan: i don't know, so here's a picture of a girl hammering a nail into a board with a banana

Something about nail, my banana, and her. Rearrange as you see fit.

pizen: Something about nail, my banana, and her. Rearrange as you see fit.

You want her to nail you with a banana?

Listening to liberals infighting is like listening to the girls of The View argue backstage over who gets to sit next to Jude Law on the couch.

eastbaywatch: Listening to liberals infighting is like listening to the girls of The View argue backstage over who gets to sit next to Jude Law on the couch.

do you often sit backstage on the view to listen to them? cause that sounds kinda gay to me.

lexshine: I am just wondering what is wrong with Americans?

We let them hoist this "Super-Delegate" term on us and they decide the nominee?

I guess that makes the American people Democrats who should be deciding the vote Super-Stupid.


FTFY (Republicans don't use superdelegates-they let their voters decide)

burndtdan: do you often sit backstage on the view to listen to them? cause that sounds kinda gay to me.

lol

Latest two PA polls on RCP:

4/15-4/16 Clinton +1
4/14-4/15 Obama +3

/Not sayin'.
//Just sayin'.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Latest two PA polls on RCP:

4/15-4/16 Clinton +1
4/14-4/15 Obama +3

/Not sayin'.
//Just sayin'.

Regardless of who wins Tuesday, we can all agree that someone in Philly's gonna get shot...

BravadoGT: lexshine: I am just wondering what is wrong with Americans?

We let them hoist this "Super-Delegate" term on us and they decide the nominee?

I guess that makes the American people Democrats who should be deciding the vote Super-Stupid.


FTFY (Republicans don't use superdelegates-they let their voters decide)

Republicans have something similar, just not in the quantity that the Democrats have them in.

Dean should concentrate on wiping republican stains from their senate seats. It is a rare opportunity when nearly half of them have to defend their obstructionist behavior. The culture of Washington won't change if we can't eek out a working majority.

Rovian: Dean should concentrate on wiping republican stains from their senate seats. It is a rare opportunity when nearly half of them have to defend their obstructionist behavior. The culture of Washington won't change if we can't eek out a working majority.

He can't concentrate on that until he locks down Obama or Clinton.

It's telling when Hillary resorts to using Republican tactics and Republican talking points.

Obama gets the "Nixon 1960" treatment in a debate and the next day Dean is calling for the Supers to decide. Hmm...Coincidence?

The superdelegate gap has narrowed by five over the past two days:

Three pick-ups in IN and NC yesterday (pops)
Former Hillary superdelegate switches to Obama, Oklahoma superdelegate picked-up (pops).

BravadoGT: FTFY (Republicans don't use superdelegates-they let their voters decide)

Republicans call theirs Party Delegates"

There aren't as many of them, and their winner-take-all primary system pretty much makes their importance nil--but they do exist and they are just as super as the Democratic superdelegates, Mr. My-party-is-morally-superior-to-theirs.

All I can say is that if this race is not resolved within a week, McCain can start planning the wallpaper for the White House because the democratic party will disintegrate. Enough people who are pissed that their candidate lost will cross party lines to vote for him and allow him to stroll into the office.

/Obama fan

Obama looked exhausted last night. My biggest fear is that She will drag the campaign out the convention which he'll win, but he'll have to immediately jump into the general campaign with no sustained period of rest. I'm not sure anyone can physically and mentally endure that level of stress.

Of course, he is the goddamn Batman.

Postal Penguin: All I can say is that if this race is not resolved within a week, McCain can start planning the wallpaper for the White House because the democratic party will disintegrate. Enough people who are pissed that their candidate lost will cross party lines to vote for him and allow him to stroll into the office.

This would probably be the case if the general election was a month or two after the nomination gets established. With the space between securing the nomination and the general election, I think there will be time for most of the bad blood to get smoothed over.

I'm glad Dean didn't tell the superdelegates to vote for the leader in any particular area, but rather with their personal preferences. I'm pretty sure Obama will win regardless, but it'll make his victory seem more legitimate. I mean, are they really going to vote against the guy leading in every conceivable area because of some half-baked excuses from Hillary about which states are important?

Bufu: barneyfifesbullet: It's either lose to her, or he will lose Mondale-style to McCain.

This just in: barneyfifesbullet lives in Bizarro World.

barneyfifesbullet is a Hillary supporter who knows well what it feels like to feel...bitter.

So yeah, Bizarro World IS the residence.

BravadoGT: Regardless of who wins Tuesday, we can all agree that someone in Philly's gonna get shot...

How is that different than any other day in Philly?

Pentaxian: BravadoGT: Regardless of who wins Tuesday, we can all agree that someone in Philly's gonna get shot...

How is that different than any other day in Philly?

I might be going to Philly this weekend. Pray for me.

I honestly believe that Hillary will launch a third party campaign if she is denied the nomination. Her attitude really is "If I can't have it no one can." It is now or never for her. I think she will sabotage the election rather than let Obama have the presidency. Shades of Ford roadblocking Reagan in '76.

BravadoGT:
FTFY (Republicans don't use superdelegates-they let their voters decide)

Eh? The Republicans use unpledged delegates, too. It's just less hypocritical because (a) they don't spew 'the little guy is disenfranchised! Why can't every individual's opinion just be equal!' all the time and (b) they're named after the system of government where elected representatives are hired to make the right decisions, not the popular ones.

But as to how their primary process works, well, it's more or less identical, since the states often regulate all party primaris in their jurisdiction.

Delawheredad: I honestly believe that Hillary will launch a third party campaign if she is denied the nomination. Her attitude really is "If I can't have it no one can." It is now or never for her. I think she will sabotage the election rather than let Obama have the presidency. Shades of Ford roadblocking Reagan in '76.

She doesn't have the money to do that. Wait, let me rephrase - She doesn't have other people's money to do that.

Hillary will not pony up from her own cash to fund a third party campaign and her donations will dry up the (hypothetical) minute Dean stands next to Obama and raises his hand as the victor.

What is interesting to me is that Obama could actually mount a reasonable third party candidacy with his enormous individual support. I don't think he would, but he could.

Jim_Callahan: Eh? The Republicans use unpledged delegates, too. It's just less hypocritical because (a) they don't spew 'the little guy is disenfranchised! Why can't every individual's opinion just be equal!' all the time and (b) they're named after the system of government where elected representatives are hired to make the right decisions, not the popular ones.

You're right for the wrong reason. Republicans have "superdelegates" too, but it only represents something like 5% of the total count. For the Democrats it's more like 20%, thus the current shenanigans.

bberg,

That may be true but she has political friends who can grease the wheels for her in enough of the bigger states that she would not have to put up much of her own money. It is true that the Clintons do not spend their own money but Hillary could still count on 20-30%of the electorate -- just enough to sink Obama. Remember Ross Perot spent relatively little of his own money to run against George Bush Senior. Not enough to win but enough to take down Bush which was the entire point of his running. He had personal and professional issues with G.H.W.Bush -- it was never about winning himself.

Hillary feels that the nomination is hers by right. If it is denied her there is every reason to believe that she will go ballistic and deny Obama the presidency out of spite. She is by far the most hungry for power of any of the candidates -- that quest for power doesn't just stop. Mark my words she will bring down the party rather than allow Obama the White House.

Her rationale? She can run again in four years if McCain wins but not if Obama wins. I put NOTHING past this woman. Get ready for a three way campaign and a McCain victory.

mcwebe0: This would probably be the case if the general election was a month or two after the nomination gets established. With the space between securing the nomination and the general election, I think there will be time for most of the bad blood to get smoothed over.

So much will ride on the speech given by the loser at the DNC. Say that Hillary loses on first ballot, and does the magnanimous thing and gives a rousing speech in support of Obama. It's possible that the general election kicks off like the previous few months didn't occur. But if she waffles... if there's a hint of reservation, bitterness or "just wait for 4 years" in her voice, then perhaps her supporters don't sign on to the Obama camp, and lots stay home in November.

Say Clinton pulls out a victory, and Obama does the magnanimous thing, but it's not enough - that there's outright anger from blacks. Say there are protests, maybe even violence, in retort. Imagine what that does to the party, or to the next black candidate to make a run for the office.

When people talk about this prolonged primary hurting the party, it's really not about one side giving the Republicans ammo, as I keep hearing on the radio. It's about creating irreparable animosity within factions of the party. That's the fear that people in the party hold that drives them to hope for a quick resolution. If the resolution doesn't happen, then so much will hang on how the loser directs his or her followers, and how strongly they accept that direction.

Mentat: Obama looked exhausted last night.

thats exactly what I thought too. And I mean before the "questions" even started.

mrCasual: Say Clinton pulls out a victory, and Obama does the magnanimous thing, but it's not enough - that there's outright anger from blacks. Say there are protests, maybe even violence, in retort. Imagine what that does to the party, or to the next black candidate to make a run for the office.

I'm not worried about what it would do to the Democratic party--if they pull some kind of underhanded shiat and steal the nomination from Obama, they deserve to go the way of the Whigs. I'm more worried about what it could do to the country. I think the odds of any kind of rioting or repeat of '68, or the odds of rioting in major US cities, is pretty slim, but I worry about what kind of irreparable harm a stolen nomination could do to racial dynamics in this country. The message it would send to little black kids--no, you can't be president, the country won't allow it, they'll take it away and give it to someone else--would lead to more anger, more alienation among black youth.

It would also send a horrible message to the rest of the world, especially if McCain loses to Hillary--how the heck would Hillary be able to tell other countries to have free and fair elections when there is absolutely zero doubt, zero question about ballots, that the nomination was stolen? And well, a stolen election combined with violence? A disaster of epic proportions.

/Hopefully this is just melodramatic and she doesn't steal anythin

Remove all Republicans: rynthetyn: how the heck would Hillary be able to tell other countries to have free and fair elections when there is absolutely zero doubt, zero question about ballots, that the nomination was stolen?

How has Bush done it the last seven years?

Badly.

rynthetyn: It would also send a horrible message to the rest of the world, especially if McCain loses to Hillary--how the heck would Hillary be able to tell other countries to have free and fair elections when there is absolutely zero doubt, zero question about ballots, that the nomination was stolen? And well, a stolen election combined with violence? A disaster of epic proportions.

To be fair, it wouldn't be "stolen." It would be some kind of freaky "executive decision" made by the party bosses. No actual votes would go "missing," they'd be making a deal. It's called "politics."

And if that does happen, the Dems deserve defeat and they should cash it in like Nader says.

ElQue: /slightly off-topic

Why do Hillary supporters constantly have to post their comments to CNN.com, ABC.com, etc. in all caps?

I suppose the answer is obvious, but it's really farking annoying.

Note quite as annoying as hillaryis44, but close.

lexshine: yeah put McCain in because Bush has done so well.

/case rested
//wish canada was warmer.

Why haven't you left yet? I knew all you whiners wouldn't have the stones to leave in 2004. All show and no go.

//wish canada was warmer.

Why haven't you left yet? I knew all you whiners wouldn't have the stones to leave in 2004. All show and no go.

He said cuz it was cold. Jesus, it's called reading.