Hillary in high school.

//suprised I've never seen other references to this movie

Her pu......

oh never mind.

I have no love for Hillary. I think she'd be a bad choice for President. There are so many legitimate reasons to hate on her. Why do we have to perpetually fall back on misogyny? I realize that one of her talking points is feminism. That she would be the first female President is a valid thing to consider when voting for her. Why does it have to be the thing we criticize, though?

mcwebe0: I have no love for Hillary. I think she'd be a bad choice for President. There are so many legitimate reasons to hate on her. Why do we have to perpetually fall back on misogyny? I realize that one of her talking points is feminism. That she would be the first female President is a valid thing to consider when voting for her. Why does it have to be the thing we criticize, though?

Because that's basically all she's running on for an unfortunately significant portion of her voting bloc?

mcwebe0: I have no love for Hillary. I think she'd be a bad choice for President. There are so many legitimate reasons to hate on her. Why do we have to perpetually fall back on misogyny? I realize that one of her talking points is feminism. That she would be the first female President is a valid thing to consider when voting for her. Why does it have to be the thing we criticize, though?


Because her gender is not a valid reason to vote for her either yet she and her supporters bring it up constantly.

clgrin: Because that's basically all she's running on for an unfortunately significant portion of her voting bloc?

You are confusing her platform and their single issue voting pattern. She does have a more complex campaign than that...or she did. I suppose in her current desperation it may be getting a bit thinner.

coma: Because her gender is not a valid reason to vote for her either yet she and her supporters bring it up constantly.

I disagree. As I said in my post, it is a valid point to consider. It should not be the only reason, but it can be a perfectly valid one among many. As much as you may hate the idea, she is no less qualified for the office than many who have gone before.

/I can't believe I'm sticking up for Hillary
//I feel dirty

"My mother and my grandmother have been my role models my whole life, and I can only hope to be as good a mother to my children as my mother's always been to me," the youngest Clinton said.



I've heard that abused children often identify with their abusers and try to become more like them.

coma: Because her gender is not a valid reason to vote for her either yet she and her supporters bring it up constantly.

I disagree... Women are going to vote for Hillary for the same reason vets vote for someone with a military background. Men don't have the same experiences as women so they aren't going to be as likely to listen to problems women have.

I don't think it is a really good point but I can see the reasoning behind it. With Obama and Clinton having almost the same opinion on major points this could be something that could tip you in favor of Clinton.

veedeevadeevoodee: I have a vagina that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

LOL...ewwwww...

Ryan2065: I don't think it is a really good point but I can see the reasoning behind it. With Obama and Clinton having almost the same opinion on major points this could be something that could tip you in favor of Clinton.

I think people are smarter than that, or at least I hope so. Besides, Obama is still leading in pleged delegates.

Weaver95: Ryan2065: I don't think it is a really good point but I can see the reasoning behind it. With Obama and Clinton having almost the same opinion on major points this could be something that could tip you in favor of Clinton.

I think people are smarter than that, or at least I hope so. Besides, Obama is still leading in pleged delegates.

Depends what time of the month voting day falls on...

Weaver95: I think people are smarter than that, or at least I hope so. Besides, Obama is still leading in pleged delegates.

Take your rationality and optimism elsewhere. This is FARK.com for crying out loud!

My mother supported McGovern, voted for Jerry Brown for CA Governor twice, nearly worshipped the memories of Jack and Bobby Kennedy, and by all accounts has never considered voting for a Republican for any elected office at any level. She considers the fact that I'm a registered Republican a failure in her life.

You would think someone like this would like Obama, wouldn't you?

She can't stand the fact that he's winning the campaign against a woman, because dammit, it's a woman's turn!

This headline could have been submitted any time within the past 15 months.

I have no problem with her gender...

I just think she's a horrible human being, and I pray to God Obama wins the nomination so I have a valid candidate to vote against McCain for.

mcwebe0: I disagree. As I said in my post, it is a valid point to consider. It should not be the only reason, but it can be a perfectly valid one among many. As much as you may hate the idea, she is no less qualified for the office than many who have gone before.

How is her gender a valid argument for her? What?

veedeevadeevoodee: The Clinton campaign - "I Have a Vagina"



I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a vagina. It is a vagina deeply rooted in the American vagina.

I have a vagina that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a vagina that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a vagina that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a vagina that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a vagina today.


The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

Boritom: I just think she's a horrible human being, and I pray to God Obama

I do this also...

veedeevadeevoodee: The Clinton campaign - "I Have a Vagina"



I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a vagina. It is a vagina deeply rooted in the American vagina.

I have a vagina that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a vagina that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a vagina that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a vagina that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a vagina today.

Farking awesome.

ComicBookGuy: The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

You can't get what you already are.

ComicBookGuy: The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

Too bad they didn't design their tshirts thusly:

I

MY
VAGINA

DamnYankees: How is her gender a valid argument for her? What?

a)Ryan2065: I don't think it is a really good point but I can see the reasoning behind it. With Obama and Clinton having almost the same opinion on major points this could be something that could tip you in favor of Clinton.

b)It is perfectly valid to vote for a person to break up unjust systems. For example, I was first attracted to Senator Obama because of his race. I was pushed away from Senator Clinton because of the fact that her husband was once president. The last thing we need is a more explicitly recognized aristocracy in this country. As I have gotten to know the candidates and their positions better, I continue to be pleased with my choice and find more and more about him that I like and her that I despise. If it had been another woman, I would have been more torn between the two candidates.

Dinjiin: ComicBookGuy: The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

You can't get what you already are.

Heh. Actually, in all probability, he's getting NOTHING and thinks acting the gamma male will somehow get his sexual desires fulfilled.

mcwebe0: I have no love for Hillary. I think she'd be a bad choice for President. There are so many legitimate reasons to hate on her. Why do we have to perpetually fall back on misogyny? I realize that one of her talking points is feminism. That she would be the first female President is a valid thing to consider when voting for her. Why does it have to be the thing we criticize, though?

Because there is a difference between feminism and sexism. A feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant to the ability to be President. A sexist campaign says it would be better if a woman was in charge.

A feminist campaign emphasizes the accomplishments of the woman running. A sexist campaign emphasizes the accomplishments of the woman's husband as though she were merely an extension of him.

Hillary has been running a very sexist campaign.

veedeevadeevoodee: ComicBookGuy: The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

Too bad they didn't design their tshirts thusly:

I

MY
VAGINA

I wish more ppl in general were sterilized.

quickdraw: Hillary has been running a very sexist campaign.

There's also a mildy racist subtext to her campaign messages. All in all I'd say that Hillary is hitting all the high notes for this campaign season. I just wonder if she's willing to spend her last dime to stay in the race and implode the democratic party.

Weaver95: quickdraw: Hillary has been running a very sexist campaign.

There's also a mildy racist subtext to her campaign messages. All in all I'd say that Hillary is hitting all the high notes for this campaign season. I just wonder if she's willing to spend her last dime to stay in the race and implode the democratic party.

Some people just stay deluded their whole lives. I think the blue dress is what pushed her over the edge. The humiliation must have been awful. Not because Bill cheated on her (that may have been fine by her) but because he was so dumb about it and left evidence behind - or in front - or wherever.

I think something similar happened to McCain after illegitimate-black-babygate. They are both farking nuts near as I can tell.

quickdraw: Because there is a difference between feminism and sexism. A feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant to the ability to be President. A sexist campaign says it would be better if a woman was in charge.

Actually, a feminist campaign would say that, in order to demonstrate that there is a level playing field, it is time for a woman to be elected president. A post-feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant. It will be difficult to run a post-feminist campaign until a woman has been president, because there will still be a demonstrable inequality between the sexes.

A feminist campaign emphasizes the accomplishments of the woman running. A sexist campaign emphasizes the accomplishments of the woman's husband as though she were merely an extension of him.

Here I can't disagree with the distinction between the two styles of campaign, except that I don't think the second is sexist, in the sense of female dominating male so much as it is an example of old sexism. The woman is seeking her power through a man.

Weaver95: There's also a mildy racist subtext to her campaign messages.

It's not all that subtle sometimes.

Again, I don't support her candidacy. I just think that people around here tend to dump on the feminism of her campaign.

mcwebe0: Actually, a feminist campaign would say that, in order to demonstrate that there is a level playing field, it is time for a woman to be elected president. A post-feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant. It will be difficult to run a post-feminist campaign until a woman has been president, because there will still be a demonstrable inequality between the sexes.

This goes back to that old debate of Malcolm X versus MLK. Do you advocate equality by being blind to what makes us different, or by artificially created proportional outcomes?

It's interesting to say that somehow Hillary can't run a post-feminist campaign, but Obama ran a post-racial campaign. I've never heard him say, not once, that him being black is a reason to vote for him. And if I recall, we haven't had a black president, either.

mcwebe0: Again, I don't support her candidacy. I just think that people around here tend to dump on the feminism of her campaign.

That's because her campaign isn't feminist. It's hypocritical.

I...have a VAGINA!

Allow me to be the first to say:



/shudders to think of that dried up prune pit...

mcwebe0:

Actually, a feminist campaign would say that, in order to demonstrate that there is a level playing field, it is time for a woman to be elected president.

A level playing field? This isn't a game. Gender equality in a culture is not simplistic enough to be determined by the gender of the person in charge. India is a perfect example of this. No one would imply that women in India have achieved some sort of feminist stronghold because Indira Ghandi was Prime Minister.

Fitness to rule has nothing to do with reproductive equipment.

quickdraw: I applaud your comments on a feminist vs. a sexist campaign. Well spoken.

In the end, voters have to judge between the candidates based on their abilities, not based on what parts they have.

/nor based on their preferences in lapel pins

mcwebe0: quickdraw: Because there is a difference between feminism and sexism. A feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant to the ability to be President. A sexist campaign says it would be better if a woman was in charge.

Actually, a feminist campaign would say that, in order to demonstrate that there is a level playing field, it is time for a woman to be elected president.

Incorrect.

Electing a woman president simply because she is a woman isn't demonstrating an equal playing field. It's actually quite the opposite.

mcwebe0: Actually, a feminist campaign would say that, in order to demonstrate that there is a level playing field, it is time for a woman to be elected president. A post-feminist campaign would say that gender is irrelevant. It will be difficult to run a post-feminist campaign until a woman has been president, because there will still be a demonstrable inequality between the sexes.

Even though I disagree with some of what you say it's refreshing to have rational discourse on this matter. I disagree with your concept of feminism vs post-feminism though. Feminism was always about equal treatment. Senator Clinton is losing because she is an inferior candidate, not because she is a woman. While I am sure that there are some misogynists voting against her, you just have to look at things like fundraising, negatives, trustworthiness, pandering and general attitude to realize why she's losing. Invoking her vagina to make up for her shortcomings is the antithesis of feminism.

This argument that it's her turn too is disingenuous. Why is it her turn? Because bitter Boomer broads are gonna croak soon? Because they want her to succeed after sticking by Bill so they can vicariously feel their own miserable marriages didn't kill their dreams? The only people who decide whose turn it is are the voters. And they have spoken clearly thus far.


/popular vote or no, does anyone realise just how farking amazing it is that Obama has TWO MILLION individual donors? That to me is the biggest story of his candidacy

DamnYankees: I've never heard [Obama] say, not once, that him being black is a reason to vote for him. And if I recall, we haven't had a black president, either.

Bingo.

I've never heard him say it either. At worst, he turns on his southern accent when he is in front of a largely black audience.

Hildabest is fairly blatant in using her sex as a means to divide and conquer. Furthermore, by doing so using an underdog tone, she can attack her critics as being the same establishment that hopes to keep women down. Those d!*khead shock jocks that wore the "iron my shirt" t-shirts couldn't have handed her a better opportunity to exploit it.

But then, it is a game of numbers. According to the 2000 census, there were 143.4 million women versus 138.1 million men in this country. As such, Hildabest can piss off a substantial number of men if her rhetoric towards women is effective. Meanwhile, there are only 34.7 million blacks out of a population of 281.4 million. Were Obama to alienate white voters, he would be doomed, even if every black person in the country voted for him.

ComicBookGuy: The guy on the left looks completely subservient. In order to get pussy, no doubt.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that I now want a shirt that says "I support your vagina" to wear out of context. Namely at frat parties.

I'm surprised that she hasn't figured out one cannot successfully cry "discrimination" when running against a black guy who tries to move beyond his race but gets antagonized for it.

I'll wait for the test results on that, Hilldog

wait, i thought that was the title for the new X-files movie.

so how does one believe in change, anyway?

a vagina? Hil-liar-y lies again!!! I bet it does not have a vagina.

Either way this thing is getting so bitter, Obama supporters or Hillary supporter most likely will boycott the next election.

It's not like Hillary has Ron Paul's single digit numbers. It's big enough for McCain to steal the campaign if her people don't vote.

/there's no stupidity like democrat stupidity.

mcwebe0: coma: Because her gender is not a valid reason to vote for her either yet she and her supporters bring it up constantly.

I disagree. As I said in my post, it is a valid point to consider. It should not be the only reason, but it can be a perfectly valid one among many. As much as you may hate the idea, she is no less qualified for the office than many who have gone before.

Well, if it's a valid reason to vote for her, then surely it must be a valid reason to not vote for her. Who's the validator anyway?

She also has a husband who knows his way around the job already.

Can someone tell me why she's still pretending to be in the race? Is McCain paying her off behind the scenes or something?

There are only two ways she could be the nominee, and neither has a snowball's chance in hell. She could win every single state from now on, including North Carolina, averaging better than a 61-39 victory in each state, and thereby TIE Obama in pledged delegates. Or, the superdelegates could decide to override the choice of the pledged delegates. I don't think so.

Whining his supporters can believe in.

Teikiatsu: so how does one believe in change, anyway?

The same way you believe in the American flag... very carefully.

NYZooMan

So when has Obama whined? Just curious. Please provide a link that shows your references. Thanks!

It would be an "unjust" system if Hillary were not permitted to run for President.

She has every right to run, just as I have every right not to vote for her.

If you're voting for her because she's a woman, though - - that's just stupid. That's just as stupid as deciding you won't accept medical treatment from a female ER doctor because the doctor is a woman.