Flag Pin. Ayers. Pastor. Bittergate.

God bless this this country, god damn this democracy.

I think ABC subcontracted it out to the National Enquirer.

DamnYankees: Flag Pin. Ayers. Pastor. Bittergate.

thank god they cover the important questions.

Here is the on-line form to complain to ABC Link (new window)

I already complained - that REALLY sucked.

Not a rickroll.

by the way, semi-random aside, rachel maddow just farking owned pat buchanan on countdown.

he's talking up iranian aggression, she says "i think we need to remember this is iran, who hasn't invaded another country since what, the 1700s?"

What did they expect? Cripes, how can 2 sides of the same coin carry on a debate? The only difference between the 2 is skin color and what's (purportedly) between their legs.

by the way, i heard a lot of people talking about they were against obama... they certainly asked him more of the stupid questions, but i don't think they were being nice to hillary. the moderators had an agenda against the candidates in general, they were just aiming at obama because he's in the lead.

i say that to clarify the my completely disgusted reaction at the debate. it wasn't "omg they are slanted against obama", it was "what the fark is wrong with the moderators?"

dj_bigbird: What did they expect? Cripes, how can 2 sides of the same coin carry on a debate? The only difference between the 2 is skin color and what's (purportedly) between their legs.

definitely couldn't talk about the top white house officials being directly involved in war crimes and what they thought of that. couldn't possibly have discussed their reactions to stuff john mccain has said or done. there are a ton of legitimate substantive and purely political questions they could have asked.

burndtdan: definitely couldn't talk about the top white house officials being directly involved in war crimes and what they thought of that. couldn't possibly have discussed their reactions to stuff john mccain has said or done. there are a ton of legitimate substantive and purely political questions they could have asked.

The problem with stuff like that is both of them are political whores, so they'll say whatever they think will get them into office. Like I said, they're 2 sides of the same coin.

FLAG PINS?

dj_bigbird: burndtdan: definitely couldn't talk about the top white house officials being directly involved in war crimes and what they thought of that. couldn't possibly have discussed their reactions to stuff john mccain has said or done. there are a ton of legitimate substantive and purely political questions they could have asked.

The problem with stuff like that is both of them are political whores, so they'll say whatever they think will get them into office. Like I said, they're 2 sides of the same coin.

oh, so obama directly criticizing the questioner about bringing up the stupid attack lines when people are losing their homes and dying in iraq is him being a political whore?

here's a poignant comment from the article

We have our kids dying in Iraq, our government spying on us, two airlines about to form the largest airline in the world and increase prices, a failing mortgage system, are fighting two wars, Oil at 114 a gallon, gas approaching 4.00 and they asked about a frigging flag pin....a flag pen, a MF flag pen?

burndtdan: i say that to clarify the my completely disgusted reaction at the debate. it wasn't "omg they are slanted against obama", it was "what the fark is wrong with the moderators?"

It was like watching a Fox News inspired Democratic debate.

-plans, within plans, within plans...

I did enjoy Obama smacking down Stephanpolis. This debate was a great representation of what's wrong with the media coverage of politics right now though.

Nice job ABC douche bags.

bronyaur1: Here is the on-line form to complain to ABC Link (new window)

done.

CravenMorehead: I did enjoy Obama smacking down Stephanpolis.

there were two lines in the debate i laughed at. the 8 years old line, and hillary saying "i might be a lot of things, but i'm not dumb"

also, the second inspired a q&d photoshop cause it reminded me of the quote...

Code_Archeologist: It was like watching a Fox News inspired Democratic debate.

No, it was like a Perez Hilton inspired debate.

All Talk, All the time.

Man, I'm watching this now. It's like a girl fight with nerf guns.

Worst. Line of questioning. Evar.

"Do you believe in the American flag?"

What the fark is this shiat?

At least the initial reports over the wire are topped with the paragraph "Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat," with a headline of "Clinton Emphatically Says Obama Can Win White House."

atrocious.

robsul82: At least the initial reports over the wire are topped with the paragraph "Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat," with a headline of "Clinton Emphatically Says Obama Can Win White House."

That is one of the greatest chuckle-worthy moments out of this otherwise farking travesty of a debate.

Seriously: I could have run a better debate.

slobarnuts: "Do you believe in the American flag?"

What the fark is this shiat?

I really wish he had said that.

If only Obama had quoted Bill Hicks when asked the stupid flag-pin question:

"I personally do not believe in burning the flag. It's a personal belief, but I'll tell you something, I think people are overreacting, oh, just a little bit. 'Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag.' Well, I bought mine. Sorry. You know they sell them at K-Mart for three bucks, you're in, you're out, brand new flag, no violence was necessary. 'Hey buddy, my daddy died in the Korean war for that flag.' What a coincidence - mine was made in Korea!"

Obdicut: Seriously: I could have run a better debate.

Me, too. I would have demanded that Obama take a shot of Crown Royal, and Clinton bowl a few frames...you know, the important stuff.

oh wait...that's pretty much how it went.

At this stage (#21!?), I knew it would suck, but I was genuinely shocked (I say) out the level of suck. Was this sponsored by the RNC and/or McCain '08?

When the Huffington Post and Michael Savage are in agreement, you know it's bad.

If I were taking a shot every time Hillary made an appeal to "think of the children" I'd be off the toaster and into the trash.

Looks like someone is clinging to their allegations of bias. Bitter, are we?

Issues issues issues...


HAHAH!!

Issues don't get revealed in a debate.

Only character.

Best.Debate.Evar!

CONCUR.

/that is all

ABC is getting a assreaming in comments on the debate 8300 and counting
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Also why was a former Clinton Sr. Advisor moderator
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dj_bigbird: What did they expect? Cripes, how can 2 sides of the same coin carry on a debate? The only difference between the 2 is skin color and what's (purportedly) between their legs.

Riiiiight... oh, and the fact that one takes money from PACs and lobbyists like a fat kid takes cupcakes from a buffet, while the other gives them the finger and tells them to f*uck off.

If elected President, which do you think would be more likely to actually try and fulfill any of their promises? The one that owes favors to a dozen major corporations and entities who would be financially hurt by the policies, or the one that doesn't owe dick?

F*cking "both the same" dumbasses... They could be asked to choose between Grover Cleveland and Howard Taft and they'd claim they were two sides of the same coin.

Comrade438: Looks like someone is clinging to their allegations of bias. Bitter, are we?

NYZooMan: Best.Debate.Evar!

At first I was going to get aggravated at you two brainless assholes, and then I remembered your consolation prize candidate.

I hate to sound like a cultist, I really do, but:

One of the moderators was a former Clinton Administration official who was asking questions of Obama straight from the mouth of Sean Hannity, all timed to disorient Obama from the get go. This whole mess reeks of a setup.

OK haters, fire away.

bronyaur1: Here is the on-line form to complain to ABC Link (new window)

Thanks....done and done.

if you loved the last 8 years, you r gonna love the next four"--James Carville on voting for mccain

The consensus is in: ABC just organized the worst, most pathetic, and most embarrassing debate in the history of modern journalism

Yup.

burndtdan: y the way, semi-random aside, rachel maddow just farking owned pat buchanan on countdown.

he's talking up iranian aggression, she says "i think we need to remember this is iran, who hasn't invaded another country since what, the 1700s?"

Especially when he's been so vocal about it himself in the past. Check this out..


"In the 27 years since the Iranian Revolution, the United States has launched air strikes on Libya, invaded Grenada, put Marines in Lebanon, and run air strikes in the Bekaa Valley and Chouf Mountains in retaliation for the Beirut bombing.

We invaded Panama, launched Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait, and put troops into Somalia. Under Clinton, we occupied Haiti, fired cruise missiles into Sudan, intervened in Bosnia, conducted bombing strikes on Iraq, and launched a 78-day bombing campaign against Serbia, a nation that never attacked us. Then, we put troops into Kosovo.

After the Soviet Union stood down in Eastern Europe, we moved NATO into Poland and the Baltic states and established U.S. bases in former provinces of Russia's in Central Asia.

Under Bush II, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, though it appears Saddam neither had weapons of mass destruction nor played a role in 9/11.

Yet, in this same quarter century when the U.S. military has been so busy it is said to be overstretched and exhausted, Iran has invaded not one neighbor and fought but one war: an eight-year war with Iraq where she was the victim of aggression. And in that war of aggression against Iran, we supported the aggressor."

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=8984 (the whole article)

drjekel_mrhyde: ABC is getting a assreaming in comments on the debate 8300 and counting
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Also why was a former Clinton Sr. Advisor moderator
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"Captain Hauk sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls."
I have no idea what that means, sir, but it seems very negative to me.

Mentat: I hate to sound like a cultist, I really do, but:

One of the moderators was a former Clinton Administration official who was asking questions of Obama straight from the mouth of Sean Hannity, all timed to disorient Obama from the get go. This whole mess reeks of a setup.

OK haters, fire away.

Yeah, and yet he still handled himself with aplomb. He made the best out of a really bad situation.

spamdog: At first I was going to get aggravated at you two brainless assholes, and then I remembered your consolation prize candidate.

Intriguing level of concern [as to the outcome of the the US election] for someone who lives in Australia, non?

Mentat: I hate to sound like a cultist, I really do, but:

One of the moderators was a former Clinton Administration official who was asking questions of Obama straight from the mouth of Sean Hannity, all timed to disorient Obama from the get go. This whole mess reeks of a setup.

OK haters, fire away.

I hate to sound like a cultist-enabler, I really do, but what you said is factually accurate, so I'll just say...

Teh Mediaz are SO pro-Obama!!11!!!

I thought Snuffleupagus was a bad choice, with his previous allegiance to the Clintons. Additionally, it seemed like they stuck with the less than helpful topics and just went for the shock value questions for both of them, at least the first half.

And why all the love? Tomorrow they'll be back to the shame on you speeches...

/Hillary finally doesn't see snipers
//Barack still says ummmm....

Comrade438: Intriguing level of concern [as to the outcome of the the US election] for someone who lives in Australia, non?

It's not so much the outcome but all the corruption and stupidity involved along the way that fascinates me.

I think the most under-handed part of the debate was the Ayers reference. That had every sign of a hit job.

Despite the fact that Obama has almost no connection to the man other than the fact that they have met one another, Huffalopolous brings it up.

David Ross got it right...the mere fact that Ayers name was mentioned means another two or three days of the media dropping his name and Obama's name in the same sentence. With less than a week to go before the Pennsylvania vote, this may just be the thing Hillary needs to cling to in order to stave a Pennsylvania loss.

George Stephanopolous's hit job for his old boss probably just cost him is journalistic reputation.

LawrencePerson: Translation: Obama sucked and they asked real questions

Translation: I didn't even watch the damn debate.

I'd forgotten that for months now Charlie Gibson has been asserting that $200,000 is a solid middle-class income, blissfully unaware that just 3.4 percent of U.S. households have an income of $200,000 or more. You could be richer than 96 percent of your fellow citizens, but still just folks to Gibson. Obviously that's not on a par with being bad at bowling or anything on the "out of touch" scale, but it's still disappointing to learn that even our salt of the earth working class multimillionaire television news personalities aren't utterly infallible.

cameroncrazy1984: Translation: I didn't even watch the damn debate.

I would bet fifty bucks on it.

MrWhipee: http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=8984 (the whole article)

That's an outrageous assertion. We supported both sides during the Iran-Iraq War. Selling someone munitions and valuable aircraft components is a funny way of not assisting them, no? It just so happens that Iran wasn't as careful with its mining of the Persian Gulf as Iraq was so we had to overtly support Iraq by attacking the Iranian navy.

That aside, why refer to the Soviet republics of Central Asia as "former provinces" whereas Poland and the Baltic States suddenly achieve national status? Was the Tsar's reign and their later incorporation into the Soviet Union not as complete as their Moslem counterparts from the steppe?