Catherine Crier has managed to write something even dumber than Alec Baldwin. Honestly, the Democrats are like the New York Mets. They are on the verge of blowing a 7 1/2 game lead with 17 to play.

Wait a second. I live in a rural town in Missouri with a population of about 7000. You... you don't think Obama was talking about me, do you? Oh man, I bet he was! I wonder what I did to cheese him off so bad!

/voted for him in the primary and everything

You know, I'm from a small town and I never used to be much of a racist, but the Obama campaign and surrounding drama really has me wondering if all black people really do secretly hate whitey or something.

Shut up. You're all Republicans, so are the small minded in Pennsylvania. Honestly, it's annoying.

MorrisBird: Shut up. You're all Republicans, so are the small minded in Pennsylvania. Honestly, it's annoying.

Oh come on, doesn't it seem like he's riding a wave of bullshiat?

When called a Muslim he cried out "I'm a Christian!" but then he goes on to say that people bitter about their jobs "cling to guns and religion and antipathy," as if religion is a horrible thing.

I happen to like guns and religion, but even if you're a Democrat and don't, you have to admit - Obama is a waffler.

I live in a small town in Pennsylvania, and although -a hem- he's not talking bout me, he certainly is talking about my neighbors. And is entirely right.

bigworld2000: he certainly is talking about my neighbors. And is entirely right.

Yup.

SpeshilEdjukashin: When called a Muslim he cried out "I'm a Christian!"

I fail to recall him saying he was a Muslim, on account of he didn't. You're silly.

Here in Atlanta he better worry more about them clinging to their fried chicken, grape soda and high dropout rate.

MorrisBird: I fail to recall him saying he was a Muslim, on account of he didn't. You're silly.

I never said he did, learn to read.

SpeshilEdjukashin: I never said he did, learn to read.

No,no you didn't, you called him a waffler by using a false premise. It's okay. You remain a Republican and not at issue.

No I didn't. I called him a waffler for (among dozens of other reasons) claiming to be a Christian when it suited his needs, and then making religion out to be a bad thing when it suited his needs.

/You know, it's never too late to go back and get your GED.

SpeshilEdjukashin: When called a Muslim he cried out "I'm a Christian!" but then he goes on to say that people bitter about their jobs "cling to guns and religion and antipathy," as if religion is a horrible thing.

Yea, it's as if the combination of guns, religion, and antipathy haven't done anything but good for this country.

I'm fine, thank you. You, on the other hand, are a troll. Startlingly, I'm out of food. Enjoy your little bridge.

SpeshilEdjukashin: No I didn't. I called him a waffler for (among dozens of other reasons) claiming to be a Christian when it suited his needs, and then making religion out to be a bad thing when it suited his needs.

/You know, it's never too late to go back and get your GED.

Um. you realize that just because someone criticizes another's use of religion, doesn't mean they're not religious.

Here we go: The southern baptists? the ones who do the whole the spirits are talking through me?
They're crazy. Doesn't make me any less religious.

Obama is just saying that rather than trying to deal with issues, these people are hiding behind guns and religion.

bigworld2000: he certainly is talking about my neighbors. And is entirely right.

Yep. I live in small-town PA. In any other state my democrat neighbors would be republican, which is actually unfair since I hate to tar all GOPers as racist.

But if there is anything some of my neighbors hate more than blacks, gays and Puerto Ricans, it's Clintons.

Watching Fox for years can do that to people, Hillary.

SpeshilEdjukashin: No I didn't. I called him a waffler for (among dozens of other reasons) claiming to be a Christian when it suited his needs, and then making religion out to be a bad thing when it suited his needs.

Anything can be a bad thing if clung to too tightly, and most everyone is familiar with the cultier sections of Protestant Christianity and its strong persecution complex. You know, the sects that are more popular among poor, rural people?

Religion and gun rights are important and good. To some people, they aren't aspects of their lives, they predominate. Usually people who don't feel like they've got anything else going for them.

SpeshilEdjukashin: When called a Muslim he cried out "I'm a Christian!" but then he goes on to say that people bitter about their jobs "cling to guns and religion and antipathy," as if religion is a horrible thing.

You still don't understand what he said, do you?

He was talking about how people vote. I bet you can look at the last 5 years and see that many more people vote on gun control issues, religious issues, and illegal immigration issues than economic issues.

The only mistake Obama made was being honest.

I've visited many small towns throughout America, and most of the people in them are truly some of the best that society has to offer--thoughtful, kind-hearted people who will happily go out of their way to help a stranger, who raise their children well and work hard and respect the law and vote and would probably watch the news more if that cheap trash paris whatshername wasn't always on it. Real salt-of-the-earth types. And yes, many of them are racists. But they're friendly racists, polite racists, the "I'll shake my head at that scary line of brown people--Mexicans, I think they're Mexicans--standing outside the 7-11 go home and instead of putting on a hood and lynching them I'll just go home and comment to my friend Myrtle about how it's getting so I can't even do my shopping out any more." And yes, many of them are homophobes, but they all know that one really nice family down the block with that girl who, well, she's just sort of a live wire, her, and got into some things down at the college but she's young and if she wants to hold hands with that other girl in the park that's her business but it sure would be nice if they just kept things a little more private, you know? And yes, many of them are gun nuts, but you never know when some Mexican or gay or other criminal element is going to come breaking in and it doesn't hurt to be prepared, now does it? Now run along, I have pie to make.

SpeshilEdjukashin: No I didn't. I called him a waffler for (among dozens of other reasons) claiming to be a Christian when it suited his needs, and then making religion out to be a bad thing when it suited his needs.

/You know, it's never too late to go back and get your GED.

Good. Go get signed up. His claiming to be a Christian was in response to being called a Muslim. His commentary about "religion being a bad thing" (he never said that nor is that what he implied) are two very different things and are in no way related nor is it any form of waffling despite what Rush Limbaugh says.

/your inability to understand that very basic concept made me actually have to post this early on a Sunday.

Hey, my dads uncles cousins friend knows a guy who lives in hicksville who said he knew someone who did once, so it must be true.

Obama would have been finished politically if he talked about big-city voters clinging to their cocaine, their life-partners, and their Chomsky.

SpeshilEdjukashin: When called a Muslim he cried out "I'm a Christian!" but then he goes on to say that people bitter about their jobs "cling to guns and religion and antipathy," as if religion is a horrible thing.

When you cling to those things to explain away your frustrations with any host of other things that the government doesn't seem to help you on....then yes...it is a horrible thing.

Everybody focuses on the "bitter" and the seemingly nasty words about republican rednecks and fails to see that he pretty much nailed it.

When the government fails to act and (from a personal point of view) they seem to not be doing their job, people get bitter and they cling to things that seemingly affect their daily life and they use those crutches to explain away the frustrations that cause strife in their daily life.

God forbid someone actually say it.

Instead of looking at it like an indictment of religion, why don't you look at how he said that using it as a crutch to explain away their frustrations is a bad thing. There is quite a bit of difference.

And, if I was Christian, I'd be pissed if retards kept trying to push some truth that his evil different name just means he is a brown muslim that is going to hurt us in our sleep.

bulldg4life: Everybody focuses on the "bitter" and the seemingly nasty words about republican rednecks and fails to see that he pretty much nailed it.

Or maybe most people who live in small towns actually believe in their faiths, use guns for the purposes for which they were intended, and think that the government should do more to protect US jobs from illegal immigrant labor.

I guess it's just fashionable to be really tolerant of everyone except gun-owning Christians. It's not "elitist," I hear you cry, but obviously he nailed it, he's smart like big-city atheist anti-gun me--I'm cool, they are not.

Obama's right, religion is a crutch, he just stuck his head out of his hotel during his Easter break from campaigning and told the press he headed a bible reading for his family, because we couldn't get back to Chicago to hear Rev. Wright's sermon about tolerating people different from ourselves. Then he went back in with his top people and did some brainstorming about how to open up US trade to foreign competitors provide amnesty to aliens, and revoke pistol permits, because he is THE OBAMA, and he is better and smarter and more tolerant of his fellow man, except those people in the small towns and the midwest, who clearly are inferior to him.

Farking hypocrite. I hereby rescind the vote I cast for him in the primary.

SpeshilEdjukashin
You know, I'm from a small town and I never used to be much of a racist, but the Obama campaign and surrounding drama really has me wondering if all black people really do secretly hate whitey or something.

I wouldn't say all but many do. It's always easier to find a scapegoat for your life's problems rather than man-up and accept responsability and change your life.

Everything in moderation. Wise words to live by.

pandabear: Or maybe most people who live in small towns actually believe in their faiths, use guns for the purposes for which they were intended, and think that the government should do more to protect US jobs from illegal immigrant labor.

Obama is really religious, though - you think he was bashing religion? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, he's much less anti-gun than Hillary.

pandabear: I guess it's just fashionable to be really tolerant of everyone except gun-owning Christians.

Yup. That's why it's impossible to get into a position of power in this country if you are one.

pandabear: I guess it's just fashionable to be really tolerant of everyone except gun-owning Christians.

Oh, you poor widdle victim.

/gag

DamnYankees: Obama is really religious, though - you think he was bashing religion? That doesn't make any sense.

Then he says that other people are bitter and cling to their beliefs. So, that makes him either a) a hypocrite who goes to church because it's expected of a politician, or b) one who is intolerant of other religions, neither of which is acceptable to me. BTW, I'm not particularly religious, don't go to church, etc., a relaxed agnostic for President isn't a problem to me.

Also, he's much less anti-gun than Hillary.

Except for the "I'd outlaw carry permits" thing last week--the most anti-firearm statement by a presidential candidate I've ever heard. I doubt he's ever hunted, ever used a firearm to kill pests, or any of the many legitimate purposes for which most people keep firearms. But he doesn't mind the Secret Service walking around with firearms to protect him, apparently.

Kome: Yup. That's why it's impossible to get into a position of power in this country if you are one.

It sure seems to be the position of his defenders in this thread that Obama was correct in his assessment and that rednecks (note, not "people of rural residence" or similar, but an epithet) are too stupid to even be allowed to exercise their franchise. Nothing hypocritical about that. They are simply better, at least in their own minds, than people they have never met. Because Obama has said so.

zappaisfrank: Oh, you poor widdle victim.

Did I claim to be? I just said he lost my vote because he's a hypocrite. You may not believe this, you probably don't, but there are people in small towns who are smart, independantt-thinking, tolerant of race and sexual orientation, and liberal in most respects. Apparently the same is not true of Obama.

I have had classes where 3 different public school teachers have said many times, I'm assuming everyone here is Christian so I can say this about this other group of people. The other teachers just went ahead and said whatever. After getting a 'Yeah, so?' from the administrators, my parents thought the administrators were asshats but not enough to tie up the courts over. Besides, prove it.

pandabear: Then he says that other people are bitter and cling to their beliefs. So, that makes him either a) a hypocrite who goes to church because it's expected of a politician, or b) one who is intolerant of other religions, neither of which is acceptable to me. BTW, I'm not particularly religious, don't go to church, etc., a relaxed agnostic for President isn't a problem to me.

Why do you take it as an insult? Watch this video of him talking about this four years ago:

Link (new window)

Obama is saying that when economics tears you down, and you see no prospects, you look towards other things in life. Like your traditional hunting with your friends, or your religion, or your family. Using the word 'cling' may have not been as tactful as we would like, but its not an insulting idea. After all, don't we all think that family, religion, and tradition are things we *should* cling to. That's one of the reasons we cherish those things - we can rely on them and enjoy them when other stuff is failing.

Obama's entire point is that we need to *respect* those feelings. And that becauese the GOP has done a better job of acting like it respects those things, they do better without offering real economic help.

pandabear: Except for the "I'd outlaw carry permits" thing last week--the most anti-firearm statement by a presidential candidate I've ever heard. I doubt he's ever hunted, ever used a firearm to kill pests, or any of the many legitimate purposes for which most people keep firearms. But he doesn't mind the Secret Service walking around with firearms to protect him, apparently.

He has a different view of gun policy than you. That's fine. But that doesn't mean he doesn't respect the 2nd amendment and that he doesn't take you seriously.

pandabear: It sure seems to be the position of his defenders in this thread that Obama was correct in his assessment and that rednecks (note, not "people of rural residence" or similar, but an epithet) are too stupid to even be allowed to exercise their franchise. Nothing hypocritical about that. They are simply better, at least in their own minds, than people they have never met. Because Obama has said so.

When did anyone ever say they shouldn't vote? Give me a break.

zappaisfrank: Oh, you poor widdle victim.

Did I claim to be? I just said he lost my vote because he's a hypocrite. You may not believe this, you probably don't, but there are people in small towns who are smart, independantt-thinking, tolerant of race and sexual orientation, and liberal in most respects. Apparently the same is not true of Obama.

I know there are...I am one of them! You won't hear me tooting Obama's horn either. However, I get tired of people whining about how Christians are being persecuted and gun people fretting about how everyone wants to take their guns away. I own a handgun and a shotgun, so I'm not against guns. I just get tired of the handwringing about how all the mean old Democrats want to take your firearms away. If Christians would mind their own business and quit trying to make the government into their own personal hatchetmen for things they don't like, maybe people wouldn't hack on them so much.

pandabear: Did I claim to be? I just said he lost my vote because he's a hypocrite. You may not believe this, you probably don't, but there are people in small towns who are smart, independantt-thinking, tolerant of race and sexual orientation, and liberal in most respects. Apparently the same is not true of Obama.

People in small town can think, of course, and are independent. This is why hopefully they will look at Obama's whole quote, see his response, and look at the opportunistic bullshiat of Clinton and McCain. Small town people have been looked down on for so long, so long, as people who can be appealed to my simply going to church and taking a photo-op with a gun in your hand. Obama has the balls to say "this is the situation, people in small towns are bitter, and issues such as X, Y and Z are coming to define those places in lieu of other issues."

Which view of his statements stands as the 'thinking man's view'? The one which says "maybe he has a point about how this stuff works, and even if I think he is wrong, he is being intellectually honest', or that which says 'how dare he insult my guns! I'm never gonna vote for him if he speaks with that kind of poor word choice!'

huffington is as bas as ann coulter.

ff

pandabear: It sure seems to be the position of his defenders in this thread that Obama was correct in his assessment and that rednecks (note, not "people of rural residence" or similar, but an epithet) are too stupid to even be allowed to exercise their franchise. Nothing hypocritical about that. They are simply better, at least in their own minds, than people they have never met. Because Obama has said so.

When did he call them rednecks? And when did he say they were stupid?

I'm an Obama supporter - two donations so far - but here's my take:

+ Obama's comments were spot-on, but
+ Such truth is going to cost him the nomination, sadly.

//byebama

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SpeshilEdjukashin: No I didn't. I called him a waffler for (among dozens of other reasons) claiming to be a Christian when it suited his needs, and then making religion out to be a bad thing when it suited his needs.

/You know, it's never too late to go back and get your GED.

Way to miss the point.

If you are adrift in the sea and are clinging to a liferaft, does that make the liferaft a bad thing?

DamnYankees: Using the word 'cling' may have not been as tactful as we would like, but its not an insulting idea.

DamnYankees: The one which says "maybe he has a point about how this stuff works, and even if I think he is wrong, he is being intellectually honest',

What terror, real or perceived, makes him cling to his religion, then? What if the sauce is applied to the goose instead of the gander?

Kome: When did he call them rednecks? And when did he say they were stupid?

I was talking about his defenders in this thread. Perhaps even your post of 09:43:03, which sure seems to say that he is right about the guns, religion and antipathy.

The Hillaryis44 people are having multiple orgasms over this "controversy", since their husbands can't satisfy them.

pandabear

you werent going to vote for him anyway

/you can make up what ever reason lets you sleep at night

Obama continues to speak to the USA as if we're adults?

OH NOES!!!!!11!!

guilt by association: The Hillaryis44 people are having multiple orgasms over this "controversy", since their husbands can't satisfy them.

By husbands I assume you mean life-partners.

jonnyh: I'm an Obama supporter - two donations so far - but here's my take:

+ Obama's comments were spot-on, but
+ Such truth is going to cost him the nomination, sadly.

//byebama

not so much i think

the American people have been surprising at late regardless of how the MSM "reports"

/if you want gossip turn on the news, if you want news go somewhere else

MonkeyVegetables: you werent going to vote for him anyway

Actually, I was. But not now. You know, not everyone that disagrees with you is a small-town republican who watches Christian television. Some voters are looking for someone smart and honest. I used to think that about Mr. Obama. Until he got a little careless around the cameras, and the gilt came off.

/you can make up what ever reason lets you sleep at night

I'll be fine, don't worry.

Sounds a bit like projection to me.

It was a stupid move on Obama's part, but he's right. I grew up in central PA and that's pretty much the entire mindset. Not for everyone, but for enough that it matters in general.