This is relatively 'breaking', but it still is only one source.

Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game. As long as people keep sending her the dollars, she will stay in the game. No matter WHO tells her to shut up and bail out.

They both got elected President.

/snicker.

Weaver95: Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game. As long as people keep sending her the dollars, she will stay in the game. No matter WHO tells her to shut up and bail out.

I just stocked up on popcorn at Sam's, so I'm hoping this keeps going for a little bit longer.

Weaver95: Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game. As long as people keep sending her the dollars, she will stay in the game. No matter WHO tells her to shut up and bail out.

Her fundraising numbers, according to her own website, are utterly pathetic. I wonder if the numbers they list on the site are accurate, but as it is they are horrible.

Weaver95: The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game.

She's already had to borrow from herself to keep going. I'm sure as hell not going to give her a dime, and I doubt you are.

clancifer: I just stocked up on popcorn at Sam's, so I'm hoping this keeps going for a little bit longer.

I find it ironic that pennsylvannia will decide the fate of Hillary Rodam Clinton.

Weaver95: Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game. As long as people keep sending her the dollars, she will stay in the game. No matter WHO tells her to shut up and bail out.

i think the first time a debt collector starts calling her, she might have a change of heart.

If I were her I would do the opposite of whatever those two idiots had to say.

HansensDisease: Weaver95: The only way I see Hillary backing down is if she has to use her own money to stay in the game.

She's already had to borrow from herself to keep going. I'm sure as hell not going to give her a dime, and I doubt you are.

$5 million isn't alot tho. Not when you play the game at that level. And she will certainly pay herself back. But if she wants to keep going she's looking at using $20-25$ million a MONTH to stay in the game until June. And at the end of all that she STILL might not win.

I very much doubt Hillary will spend that much of her own money on a less than certain thing. Should she have the option of spending millions of someone eles's money tho, she'll stick to it.

How much you want to bet Hillary's going through her old blackbook looking for an airplane mechanic.

The only way Hillary withdrawals from this race is in a straitjacket.

DamnYankees: Her fundraising numbers, according to her own website, are utterly pathetic. I wonder if the numbers they list on the site are accurate, but as it is they are horrible.

I believe that she is required by law to post accurate data. Otherwise she would bury that data so deep it would never see the light of day.

DamnYankees: Her fundraising numbers, according to her own website, are utterly pathetic. I wonder if the numbers they list on the site are accurate, but as it is they are horrible.

the elton john fundraiser only pulled in $2.5 million, that won't even cover her debts.

after posting this picture in another thread



i realized...

hillary conceding will be like the end of rambo.

"it's over hillary. the primaries are over."
"NOTHING IS OVER!"

Weaver95: DamnYankees: Her fundraising numbers, according to her own website, are utterly pathetic. I wonder if the numbers they list on the site are accurate, but as it is they are horrible.

I believe that she is required by law to post accurate data. Otherwise she would bury that data so deep it would never see the light of day.

Well, I think that's only official numbers. If there is a banner saying "WE'VE RASIED XXXXX SO FAR! KEEP IT GOING!" - that has to be accurate also?

DamnYankees: Well, I think that's only official numbers. If there is a banner saying "WE'VE RASIED XXXXX SO FAR! KEEP IT GOING!" - that has to be accurate also?

Oh, she can lie like a run in her political ads. But she has to file reports with the FEC at the end of every month concerning who donates, how much they gave her and how much she spent/where she spent it. If her campaign fudges on that data, someone goes to jail.

Normal people wouldn't think of lying about any discrepancy in financial reporting data tho - it would be too easy to exploit. however, hillary isn't 'normal people'. I think we can expect her to give misleading information on the state of her campaign finances even if she knows the lie is easily exposed.

mikemir: I don't like Hillary at all, but surely she isn't that stupid. "Let me risk everything over an easily-detected federal crime" ??

I didn't think she'd tell that little lie about dodging sniper fire in bosnia either, but look how THAT turned out...

Why are the boys picking on the lovely lady?

Weaver95: Normal people wouldn't think of lying about any discrepancy in financial reporting data tho - it would be too easy to exploit. however, hillary isn't 'normal people'. I think we can expect her to give misleading information on the state of her campaign finances even if she knows the lie is easily exposed.

She'll just say she misstated. Oops. And for whatever reason, no one will bother her about it.

Gonna be funny to see Weird Al and Jimmy staggering out after that meeting with bloody holes where their faces used to be. I don't think the Hillabeast is going to greet their advice warmly.

Gore won.
America lost.

Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

mikemir: I think we can expect her to give misleading information on the state of her campaign finances even if she knows the lie is easily exposed.I don't like Hillary at all, but surely she isn't that stupid. "Let me risk everything over an easily-detected federal crime" ??

like perjury?

Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

Fine, Gore lost.
But I would love to hear the rational behind striking "America lost."

I'll get over it - maybe America will too, in another 4 or 5 generations.

Well, there are tens and thousands of dead and severely wounded Americans and their families who won't, but maybe you're not bothered by that - like that winner in the White House.

Lionel Mandrake: Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

Fine, Gore lost.
But I would love to hear the rational behind striking "America lost."

I'll get over it - maybe America will too, in another 4 or 5 generations.

Well, there are tens and thousands of dead and severely wounded Americans and their families who won't, but maybe you're not bothered by that - like that winner in the White House.

I don't like Bush, but the rule of law was upheld. America made its choice.

Nabb1: I don't like Bush, but the rule of law was upheld. America made its choice.

Yup. America chose Gore.

Hell of a democracy we got going here.

Lionel Mandrake: Yup. America chose Gore.

Hell of a democracy we got going here.

That's not how the electoral college works. Under the system set forth in the Constitution, the country "chose" Bush. If this displeases you, fine. The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Nabb1: The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Tell that to the Supreme Court.

Kome: Nabb1: The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Tell that to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court got it right. You can't change the rules after the fact, and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Nabb1: That's not how the electoral college works. Under the system set forth in the Constitution, the country "chose" Bush. If this displeases you, fine. The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Some people thing the World Series should be decided by how many total runs are scored overall, not by who wins the majority of the games.

If you get rid of the Electoral College you will end up with some serious unintended consequences.

Nabb1: Kome: Nabb1: The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Tell that to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court got it right. You can't change the rules after the fact, and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Hey, I was fine with the results of the original voting results. I think Gore was being kind of a pussy about the whole "recount recount" thing. I just know that the Supreme Court should not have been injected into the equation. I agree that Bush won, much as it pains me to say so. I disagree with the appropriateness of how he won.

MorningBreath: If I were her I would do the opposite of whatever those two idiots had to say.

Right, because the last couple of times we chose "the opposite of what those two idiots had to say" it turned out so well.

I voted against both of them actually.

well hey, those guys do know what its like to have to admit defeat.

DamnYankees: Her fundraising numbers, according to her own website, are utterly pathetic. I wonder if the numbers they list on the site are accurate, but as it is they are horrible.

They're still better than McCain's.

Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are lined up to ask Clinton to concede. Because if you want to take advice from a couple of winners, those are your guys wimmin should be in the kitchen making them some pie

/I like my headline better
//never submitted it, though

Lionel Mandrake: Hell of a democracy we got going here.

America is not a democracy. We're a constitutional republic.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner....

Nabb1: That's not how the electoral college works. Under the system set forth in the Constitution, the country "chose" Bush. If this displeases you, fine. The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

It isn't the electoral college that messed up.

It was Florida. Gore won, by any reasonable counting of the votes.

Nabb1: The Supreme Court got it right. You can't change the rules after the fact, and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

I thought at the time, and still think, that the correct Supreme Court decision would have been to throw out the election as hopelessly flawed and turn it back over to the Florida Legislature for them to assign that state's electoral votes.

Bush would have been assigned the votes based on the makeup of the legislature at that moment.

I think that would have been the actual correct decision.

Nabb1: and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Which would have cost Gore the recount.

A recount of ALL of the votes indicated that Gore won.
Bush 'won' by virtue of a better legal strategy after the election.

America didn't 'make it's choice'. The Bush/Cheney legal team simply outmaneuvered the Gore team.

Hurray for democracy.

Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

Congratulations, you have really done a great service to this country by giving us 8 years of W.

Wow, check out the comments section there. Totally full of whining old women claiming sexism and calling Gore and Carter insignificant losers. Her campaign cant die soon enough.

Nabb1: Kome: Nabb1: The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Tell that to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court got it right. You can't change the rules after the fact, and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Ahh, you are not one of those states-rights conservatives?

It's not "advice" submitter, it's people who still have some influence doing their influence thing. She can ignore them, but they will be telling her privately and in so many words that she can leave with dignity, or hang on and be sullied and still lose.

There will reach a point where she gives up. She is in it now for the rebound in case Obama stumbles badly, and frankly I think that's the main reason nobody's going to push her to quit until early June probably.

Sabyen91: Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

Congratulations, you have really done a great service to this country by giving us 8 years of W.

So if we spend enough time complaining about the 2000 election, we'll magically travel back in time?

Nabb1 is right. Deal with the present, not the past.

From the article:

...Yet some in the Democratic elite are wary of moving too soon. Polls show that 30% of Clinton's supporters would vote for McCain if she fails to become the nominee. To close off Clinton's bid before millions have had the chance to vote risks causing the very split that officials are desperate to avoid.

I feel like the sooner we end this primary, the more time Obama has to woo this 30% and win them over. If this goes all the way to a divisive convention, you better believe it's going to be harder to get these people on board. I can't imagine the people with June primaries are going to be shocked when the race is decided before they vote.

I see no reason to prolong this.

With Senator Clinton leading an unwinable political war, - and her own cronies beginning to turn against her - I can't help but be reminded of Phil Leotardo.

Little Carmine: It didn't have to be this way.
Butch: We agreed. It's gone too far. Hillary... I don't know, she's changed. You got my word. We'll back off.
Tony: My price is you help us get a location on Hillary.
Butch: I can't go there. But you do what you gotta do.

/Sue me, I'm a Sopranos addict

Unright: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Gore won.
America lost.

FTFY. You'll get over it.

Congratulations, you have really done a great service to this country by giving us 8 years of W.

So if we spend enough time complaining about the 2000 election, we'll magically travel back in time?

Nabb1 is right. Deal with the present, not the past.

And you are going to vote for McCain, right?

Remove all Republicans: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Kome: Nabb1: The Presidency is not, by design, a directly elected office.

Tell that to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court got it right. You can't change the rules after the fact, and on top of that, hand-selected recounts violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Ahh, you are not one of those states-rights conservatives?

Of course he is. States' right are for slavery and for stopping abortions, not for things like voting and drugs.

I don't think so. If he was, he would have supported Florida's law mandating a full recount. Or he might just be a hypocrite.

Carter was a pretty bad president (though Bush makes him look like Abe Linconln reincarnated) but he did, you know, in quite a few things in his day. His re-election wasn't the only election he ever ran in you know.