Is there a 'duh' tag?

No, but Obvious won't hang out here anymore among the riff-raff.

Did she really use the Colbert-like term 'elitiest'? I hope that's not a typo.

T-Servo: Did she really use the Colbert-like term 'elitiest'? I hope that's not a typo.

Yes. She did. The former first lady and United States Senator worth over $100 million is calling someone *else* an elitist.

Jane Smiley? That's actually a pretty good little article, subby.

T-Servo: Jane Smiley? That's actually a pretty good little article, subby.

I agree.

FTFA: From Senator Clinton's remarks, I infer that to actually see what has gone on in the US in the last 20 years is unAmerican. It doesn't matter who you are, where you were born, what you pay in taxes, what else you might have contributed to the culture, how you vote, who you support. If you don't support fundamentalist religion, job outsourcing, and free access to guns, then you are not even American.

Too true.

there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

Where's the Obvious tag? Clinton knows she already lost this election. The only reason she's staying in the race is to try to bring Obama down enough for a McCain victory, which dramatically increases her shot at the white house in 2012. If she can't beat Obama now, she doesn't have a chance in hell of beating him in 2012, and she knows it. If McCain wins, America essentially gets another 4 more years of the Bush administration, and likely an unprovoked invasion preemptive retaliation of Iran. She knows she can't win now, and she knows she has a much better chance of securing the white house after McCain than after Obama.

Krymore: The only reason she's staying in the race is to try to bring Obama down enough for a McCain victory, which dramatically increases her shot at the white house in 2012.

I think as this goes on, if she does go full-blown into tear-him-down mode, no way she can run in 2012. I'd be someone surprised if she keeps her senate seat. She'll make people hate her so much.

Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

no reason to get excited. there are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. but you and i, we've been through that, and this is not our fate. so let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late.

DamnYankees: Krymore: The only reason she's staying in the race is to try to bring Obama down enough for a McCain victory, which dramatically increases her shot at the white house in 2012.

I think as this goes on, if she does go full-blown into tear-him-down mode, no way she can run in 2012. I'd be someone surprised if she keeps her senate seat. She'll make people hate her so much.

i agree, and by "people" i mean the DNC.

burndtdan: DamnYankees: Krymore: The only reason she's staying in the race is to try to bring Obama down enough for a McCain victory, which dramatically increases her shot at the white house in 2012.

I think as this goes on, if she does go full-blown into tear-him-down mode, no way she can run in 2012. I'd be someone surprised if she keeps her senate seat. She'll make people hate her so much.

i agree, and by "people" i mean the DNC.

And most people under 65 - you know, those who will be voting in 2012 and 2016.

DamnYankees: Krymore: The only reason she's staying in the race is to try to bring Obama down enough for a McCain victory, which dramatically increases her shot at the white house in 2012.

I think as this goes on, if she does go full-blown into tear-him-down mode, no way she can run in 2012. I'd be someone surprised if she keeps her senate seat. She'll make people hate her so much.

True, but what're the odds she knows this? She's obviously shown herself to not be too damn bright. She might still think it's a viable strategy.

Kome: True, but what're the odds she knows this? She's obviously shown herself to not be too damn bright. She might still think it's a viable strategy.

Hey, you're in a political thread! Weird.

Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief..

Since I just made another 60s music reference to you in another thread... I heard Zombie Hendrix's version of this playing at an Obama rally in Iowa. The lyrics were all too appropriate, taken as a whole.

DamnYankees: Kome: True, but what're the odds she knows this? She's obviously shown herself to not be too damn bright. She might still think it's a viable strategy.

Hey, you're in a political thread! Weird.

I occasionally jump in these. Depends on the topic.

Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

I knew it...Weaver's a frakking Cylon.

Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

I knew it...Weaver's a frakking Cylon.

So that's it then - after all this time...a switch goes off and that's it.

we needed to be told she's running a republican style campaign?

Yeah, I was standing in line with Hillary at the Winn Dixie while she was shuffling through her coupons. We both agree them Democrats only fall for the intellectual types. We hate that.

Hillary:
"Obama is elitist for claiming that you cling to your guns."

Meanwhile, in Philly (new window):
"Clinton said she would work to renew the assault-weapons ban, signed by President Clinton in 1994 but allowed to lapse a decade later."

Coont.

said it before.
still saying it now.

If by "republican" you mean "normal" then i guess that would make sense with the authors definition, but I would still strongly disagree that Clinton is normal.

He points out that immigrant-baiting, gay-baiting, gun-baiting, and religious pandering have helped to destroy those towns and that countryside, that those being destroyed have been cynically enlisted by their very own destroyers to provide the votes that help accomplish the destruction

Newsflash to liberals: many poeple in this country enjoy the right to bear arms and wish to see it protected. Many people see the damage and cost done by unrestricted illegal immigration. Many people believe in god and go to church. We call them the majority

Some of them even lose their jobs to outsourcing and still like things like guns. Funny in'it?

chu2dogg: If by "republican" you mean "normal" then i guess that would make sense with the authors definition, but I would still strongly disagree that Clinton is normal.

Remove all Republicans: I do love how the Democrats are becoming the equivalent of the religious fundamentalists: anyone who doesn't follow their exact definition is now considered a "Republican."

Seriously, if Obama heads into the general playing the "Clintons are now equivalent to Republicans" card, he's going to alienate whatever moderates are left to join the 'moderate' Republican McCain.

Claiming that an educated and erudite person who speaks with no southern accent and has a worldly philosophy is 'elitist' is not normal campaigning for any democrat. That's a republican talking point. Democrats are supposed to be the party which respects intelligence, erudition, and ideas.

Remove all Republicans: Seriously, if Obama heads into the general playing the "Clintons are now equivalent to Republicans" card, he's going to alienate whatever moderates are left to join the 'moderate' Republican McCain.

I don't think the moderates are going to be alienated by true statements.

Remove all Republicans: Seriously, if Obama heads into the general playing the "Clintons are now equivalent to Republicans" card, he's going to alienate whatever moderates are left to join the 'moderate' Republican McCain.

Why would Obama ever play this card in the general? Why would he talk about the Clintons at all in the general as anything but allies?

Don't Tase Me Bro: Hillary:
"Obama is elitist for claiming that you cling to your guns."

Hillary: "Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and are out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know."

McCain advisor Steve Schmidt: "It shows an elitism and condescension toward hard-working Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

Hillary has joined the echo chamber.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

/Barack Obama: out of touch eltist with a racist pastor and America-hating wife?

Why do people think Hillary Clinton will be a viable candidate in 2012 if she brings Obama down and McCain wins? When I try to think of what would happen, the scenario that appears to me is that she'll be labeled a "spoiler" and treated, at a minimum, like Nader has been for Gore's loss in 2000. She may even be held more accountable since the link is less tenuous and she's part of the same party. If McCain were president, and did a bad enough job that he were vulnerable in four years to ousting, it seems like Hillary would be loaded with the stigma of "it's your fault we have him!" that her chances in 2012 would be rather poor.

DamnYankees:That's a republican talking point. Democrats are supposed to be the party which respects intelligence, erudition, and ideas.

Yeah, The democratic party just states that anyone who owns a gun is an idiot and anyone who wants to control illegal immigration is racist. RTFA

hillary isn't loyal to the democratic party, basically

i has an internet: Why do people think Hillary Clinton will be a viable candidate in 2012 if she brings Obama down and McCain wins?

The issue isn't do *we* think she is viable, but does she think she is. As long as she thinks the plan could work, we can speculate its a motivation.

chu2dogg: Yeah, The democratic party just states that anyone who owns a gun is an idiot and anyone who wants to control illegal immigration is racist. RTFA

Are you the founder of a new third party, the Strawman Party? Or is the Party of United Trolls?

DamnYankees: Are you the founder of a new third party, the Strawman Party? Or is the Party of United Trolls?

PoUT?

Are you the founder of a new third party, the Strawman Party? Or is the Party of United Trolls?

No, I just accurately read the article and most of the posts in this thread and the previos one.

Donald_McRonald: DamnYankees: Are you the founder of a new third party, the Strawman Party? Or is the Party of United Trolls?

PoUT?

I thought I was being subtle. Apparently not. :)

He's got the most humble roots of any candidate since Bill Clinton. Calling him an elitist shows a tentative grip on reality.

bartink: He's got the most humble roots of any candidate since Bill Clinton. Calling him an elitist shows a tentative grip on reality.

That's Hillary for you.

Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

I knew it...Weaver's a frakking Cylon.

So that's it then - after all this time...a switch goes off and that's it.

This has happened before, and all of it will happen again. Your destiny's already been written.

SangamonTaylor: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: there must be someway out of here, there's too much confusion I can't get no relief.....

I knew it...Weaver's a frakking Cylon.

So that's it then - after all this time...a switch goes off and that's it.

This has happened before, and all of it will happen again. Your destiny's already been written.

After last night's BSG, this is getting close to turning into a total threadjack. Let's have some discipline!

DamnYankees: i has an internet: Why do people think Hillary Clinton will be a viable candidate in 2012 if she brings Obama down and McCain wins?

The issue isn't do *we* think she is viable, but does she think she is. As long as she thinks the plan could work, we can speculate its a motivation.

Oh, okay. It wasn't clear to me whether people were saying that she really would be viable, or if they're just talking about what she herself believes. Thanks for the clarification.

Remove all Republicans: He's going to have to continue to distinguish himself from them in the general. Either way, he and his supporters have made it clear that he can say whatever and anyone who disagrees is a moronic Republican fool who isn't smart enough to see his greatness.

Why would he have to distinguish himself from them in the general? There's no reason to even mention them.

What's the cause for surprise? Bill was more Republican than either of the Bushes, more fiscally responsible than Reagan, more centrist than anyone since Eisenhower. This is one of the main reasons all right-thinking Repubs hated, loathed, detested and reviled him so much. Why should Hillary be any different? She did campaign for Goldwater, after all.

Her supporters do like to complain about the biased media that actually mentions her lies. Liberal scum.

oldebayer: more fiscally responsible than Reagan,

Well, that's a low standard, seeing as how the list of Presidents who were less fiscally responsible than Reagan is:

George W Bush

Remove all Republicans: DamnYankees: Why would Obama ever play this card in the general? Why would he talk about the Clintons at all in the general as anything but allies?

He's going to have to continue to distinguish himself from them in the general. Either way, he and his supporters have made it clear that he can say whatever and anyone who disagrees is a moronic Republican fool who isn't smart enough to see his greatness.

Yawn. You are more upset by Obama's truthful statements than Hillary or McCain's continued misstatements?

Mmmmmkay...

Now now, let our conservative and Hillary-supporting Farker friends cross their fingers and hope to God that this (and not Reverend Wright, or the madrassa, or the "plagiarism," or the...) finally stops Obama. Let them have their fun, and let them start screaming about whatever happens in two weeks when Obama's numbers are just as good as they are now.