Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair wants to strengthen the country's DNA database. He supports taking a swab or a swipe from anyone charged with a serious crime, with or without the permission of the accused.



I'd start making sure every government offical was charged with a 'serious crime' as soon as possible.

give them a free hooker.

you'll get a DNA sample without asking.

Bill Blair is a Quebecois separatist.
There, that ought to do it.

gggrrrrrrrrrrr

If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to worry about...

Canada is far more "Nazi" in every way (in a bad way) than Germany ever was.

You mean like the do with fingerprints?

Oh Canada.....YOU SUCK!!!

Jesus, for such a nice city we sure have some real idiotic police chiefs.

FTA:
Britain and more than 10 American states take DNA samples before the charges are proven.

Wow, I never knew. Law & Order, CSI, how you failed me!

I'm pretty sure they already do this with us in the UK, and people haven't been very successful at getting their info removed from the databases once it's on...

And here I thought Canada was safer. Where will I run away to now?

/tinfoil hat is now securely in place.

if they take your fingerprints for a charge and not a conviction...might as well

AlphaNumericus, thats the spirit!

Fireproof: You mean like the do with fingerprints?

Stop sounding rational..... this is the beginning of a police state! Once they have access to my DNA they could clone me and if my clone commits a crime I could be convicted.

Joce678: If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to worry about...


Nice troll dickhead. Try again.

Non-story. This crap would never fly with the privacy commission. Provincial or Federal.

Samsaran 2008-04-12 05:39:37 PM
Well Canada, I'll bet you wish you had an actual Bill of Rights instead of that useless, easily revoked and circumvented Charter you have. Time for a Constitutional Convention.

Did you happen to read the part of the story where it said that 10 American states take DNA samples prior to conviction?

If he gets what he wants, the police will start arresting people for ridiculous reasons in order to fill out the database.

If he wasn't such a bad/lazy cop, he wouldn't need everyone's DNA.

Anyone got a list of those "10 U.S. States"?

The entire nation should fark that guy in the arse and he can get the samples that way.

But this is Canada. You know, the country that farkers always point to as being so much better than the United States.

LoneDust: FTA:
Britain and more than 10 American states take DNA samples before the charges are proven.

Wow, I never knew. Law & Order, CSI, how you failed me!

Don't know about the US states, but in Britain the sample is taken when you are arrested and retain even if you the charges are dropped or you are found not guilty.

AlphaNumericus: Canada is far more "Nazi" in every way (in a bad way) than Germany ever was.

I must have missed when Canada invaded Poland.

Cat With Two Heads: If he wasn't such a bad/lazy cop, he wouldn't need everyone's DNA.

'zactly. there is far more money to be made with incarceration and dna databases then there is with being on the street and actually trying to lower crime

//dick cheney approoves

I'm glad I live in America

/oh snap!

Samsaran: Well Canada, I'll bet you wish you had an actual Bill of Rights instead of that useless, easily revoked and circumvented Charter you have. Time for a Constitutional Convention.

Ya cause your bill of rights is so farking ironclad after all.

/Gitmo?

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair is a stupid cocksucker.

/the filter wouldn't let me say what i really think about him

In Canada, the police are required to destroy your fingerprints upon request once you are cleared, found not guilty, or pardoned.

It ought to be automatic, but it's something.

If the same rules applied to DNA, I'd probably live with it.

Bessame: Anyone got a list of those "10 U.S. States"?

Eleven, actually:

Alaska, Arizona, California, Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia

From the National Conference of State Legislatures (pops)

Sounds like a lot of Farkers can't read beyond a headline. For those of you bashing Canada and boasting on the US, sounds like you didn't finish reading the article, eh?

Help I'm a cop!

-zappa 1966

First, Canada's dollar beats the US. Now they're trying to beat us in other things.

CanadaHauntsMe: Bessame: Anyone got a list of those "10 U.S. States"?

Eleven, actually:

Alaska, Arizona, California, Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia

From the National Conference of State Legislatures (pops)

I'm not surprised about Texass and CA doing it, but i thought Alaska was a libertarian stronghold.

fuzzycuffs: First, Canada's dollar beats the US. Now they're trying to beat us in other things.

like baby seals?

Jamspoon
Don't know about the US states, but in Britain the sample is taken when you are arrested and retain even if you the charges are dropped or you are found not guilty.

Yeah, it's a ridiculous state of affairs. To clarify again, everyone who is ever arrested in Britain - rightly or wrongly, charged or not - has their DNA added to the national database - and it cannot be removed.

In Ontario, the government once had the bright idea of fingerprinting people on welfare. You know, to track the "cheats"

When it was pointed out that this would actually cost more taxpayers money to do this (the actual number of "welfare cheats"is estimated to be much lower than the Toronto Sun makes it out to be!) and that the opposition was all over this with "What? treat people who are down on their luck as criminals?" it got quickly dropped.

Police tend to have the marrow mindset of making it easier to incarcerate and fining every suspected petty criminal they can get their hands on; civil rights, obtaining warrants and privacy legislation are nuisances and just stand in the way of them fulfilling what they see their purpose in life.

That is why the state limits their powers, and why total douchebags like Blair constantly want to test these limits. And why we must not let them.

Scutter: AlphaNumericus: Canada is far more "Nazi" in every way (in a bad way) than Germany ever was.

I must have missed when Canada invaded Poland.

And how!

Everyday employment Alberta looks more and more appealing...

/Toronto: Like San Francisco, only with bad weather, and suckier

Just asking, but what would be so awful about the state havng your DNA on file?

Day_Old_Dutchie: Police tend to have the marrow mindset of making it easier to incarcerate and fining every suspected petty criminal they can get their hands on; civil rights, obtaining warrants and privacy legislation are nuisances and just stand in the way of them fulfilling what they see their purpose in life.

I think most police want, basically, to get 'bad guys.' Sometimes they have the wrong notion of who the 'bad guys' are. And yeah, they want to use any method they can fathom to catch those 'bad guys,' and might express frustration at some of the limits imposed upon them when they feel it's what's keeping them from accomplishing that objective.

Day_Old_Dutchie: That is why the state limits their powers

Or, at least, they very rightly should, very strongly. The police should not be (and aren't, usually) setting their own limits.

Scutter: AlphaNumericus: Canada is far more "Nazi" in every way (in a bad way) than Germany ever was.

I must have missed when Canada invaded Poland.
Everyone always forget about Poland.

cypherspace: and it cannot be removed.

Oh, it can. It's just a database, after all. "DELETE cypherspace"

The evil thing is, they won't.

Toronto's Police Chief always seems to be a douchebag who wants to increase the police's authority to shake people down, civil rights be damned. Fortunately, the people of this city know better.

buttcat: Just asking, but what would be so awful about the state havng your DNA on file?

If the government has your DNA it is possible for them to frame anybody for any crime to meet political reasons. So in a police state it would be quite possible for them to used phony DNA from a national database to frame and imprison all political opponents to discredit any opposition to the government.

Way to go, Bill.
A chip off the old Fantino block.

Maybe we should all mail in a swipe, you know, just to save them money and such like.