it was just a matter of time.

Heh, there was a protest a couple years ago where they rioted on campus. Rising tuition, a crap economy, no jobs, right? Wrong. The little snowflakes were pissed because they couldn't have hard liquor in the dorms.

Ron Paul Revere: Those who would ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

/baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

Not only did they sell out their ideals, but they're lining up to pillage what's left of the social security system. we've got maybe a decade left before the thing implodes.

It's about time.

Ron Paul Revere: /baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

Don't generalize, it makes you look ignorant and too lazy to think about the real world. Not every boomer did, just the ones you hear about in the news. There's plenty of us out here who never quit.

Weaver95: Not only did they sell out their ideals, but they're lining up to pillage what's left of the social security system. we've got maybe a decade left before the thing implodes.

You mistake 'pillaging' with 'taking back what was taken from us by force, with no recourse'. If I could have kept what was wrung from every paycheck for the last 40 years and invested it myself, there would be no biatching and moaning.

d

eddyatwork: Heh, there was a protest a couple years ago where they rioted on campus. Rising tuition, a crap economy, no jobs, right? Wrong. The little snowflakes were pissed because they couldn't have hard liquor in the dorms.

Isn't there an agelimit on "Snowflake"? What was once fun is now a shiatty, overused cliche.

Or maybe every generation is the same. A cycle that repeats.

darkhorse23: It's about time.

Ron Paul Revere: /baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

Don't generalize, it makes you look ignorant and too lazy to think about the real world. Not every boomer did, just the ones you hear about in the news. There's plenty of us out here who never quit.

Weaver95: Not only did they sell out their ideals, but they're lining up to pillage what's left of the social security system. we've got maybe a decade left before the thing implodes.

You mistake 'pillaging' with 'taking back what was taken from us by force, with no recourse'. If I could have kept what was wrung from every paycheck for the last 40 years and invested it myself, there would be no biatching and moaning.

d

Considering how pretty much everyone under 40 is not going to have the same option to take back what was stolen from us, I'd say "pillage" here is pretty appropriate, though it was/is the politicians doing it (or at least, doing nothing to keep the damn thing afloat).

All the protests and all the sit-ins and all the social conscioussness of the isxties were worth fark-all. You guys changed nothing. there's more crime, reacism and pollution a than ever before and it's just going to get worse. The best thing you guys produced was music, and even that's going down the crapper (I'm looking at you American Idol).

The most I can hope for is to keep me and my family out of the crosshairs.

Have a nice day!

But we don't get all the free love? What a lame deal...

i read that as "slut-ins"

Here's the letter sent out by the Chancellor after the arrests:

To the Campus Community
>From Chancellor Kenneth E. Peacock

April 11, 2008

"I am very disappointed in the outcome of the United Students Against Sweatshops
action in the Administration Building this week. Despite our many attempts to
have productive dialogue and offer compromises to the students involved, our
every effort was rejected and we were forced to deal with the realities of the
university resources required to allow them to continue to stay through a weekend.

Because our only legal recourse to deal with students refusing to leave the
building was to place them under arrest for disorderly conduct, we were forced
to take that step. Vice Chancellor for Student Development Cindy Wallace
explained the situation to the students prior to that action being taken and
warned them of the ramifications of having an arrest record and violating the
Student Code of Conduct. Those students who chose to continue to stay were
informed of their rights, arrested and led out of the building.

My greatest regret is that, at the end of the day, there has been no positive
movement toward addressing the very issue the students say they want to address.
This group has had multiple meetings with both my representatives and myself in
the last six months and I provided them with a written response to their
concerns on March 19. We also have been in consultation with the other campuses
in the UNC System and no other institution has accepted their demands.

The University's commitment to seek and follow policies and programs that are
both lawful and effective in eliminating sweatshops remains steadfast and we
will continue our membership in the Fair Labor Association, which has been
promoting safe and healthy production and labor practices for many years.

Appalachian State University works diligently to ensure that our licensed
products meet acceptable standards. It is clear to me that these students and
the University have those goals in common. Our only disagreement is a difference
of opinion in how to achieve those goals most effectively. We have repeatedly
assured the students that if they have information regarding illegal or
unacceptable practices by any company producing items for Appalachian we will
immediately investigate and take appropriate actions. We have yet to receive
any information from the students in that regard so their claim that Appalachian
supports sweatshop labor is unsupported.

I hope this dialogue with the students can continue in a more productive format
and with mutual respect for the time of everyone who has been involved. I also
hope that we can move forward without the students continuing to resort to
tactics that interfere with the day-to-day operations of the University and the
Chancellor's office that must be conducted on behalf of our students, faculty
and staff."

Hey, isn't there an Anon protest today?

darkhorse23:

It's about time.

No kidding

tl;dr summary:

Chancellor Peacock apologizes for sit-in students being too stupid. And have you seen how much non-sweatshop college gear costs? Jesus.

PSU has protests too. I don't think any arrests yet, but they aren't doing the best things to promote their views. So far I've seen them stand in front of Old Main with bags over their heads, and they also had a dodgeball game inside the building where there's antique paintings and such.

We are not going to protest!

/Obscure, I know.

What does Professor Plum have to say?

Anybody hear about that new band, Led Zeppelin?

Ron Paul Revere: darkhorse23: Don't generalize, it makes you look ignorant and too lazy to think about the real world. Not every boomer did, just the ones you hear about in the news. There's plenty of us out here who never quit.

Generalizing is an evolutionary trait developed because it is an overall good* system for making judgments (and thereby surviving). The fact that I've employed it in this particular instance doesn't make me ignorant, nor (in)capable of critical thought.

I generalize in this instance because I deeply believe in the truth of what I'm saying. I believe what I've said is generally true, and the fact that you're an exception, and that many exceptions like you exist, does not mean what I've said is not generally true.

I assume I caught a typo? Only pointing it out as it changes the whole meaning of the sentence (you'd find many typos in my posts).

Anyway, generalizing is great when faced with a lack of reliable information and you need a snap judgment, though snap judgments are terrible things to legislate by as history shows (emergency war powers to Bush ring a bell?).

*Generalizing also assumes that your experience isn't completely subjective, and that your experience isn't terribly against the grain of everyone else you're dealing with. Can someone who was molested by their father really say what the average guy is like? Bear in mind that on the internet, you don't know what screwed up things people have been through, or how screwed up your own history is compared to the "average persons".

So in short, check that preview a little closer next time, realize that generalizing is intellectual sloth, and often times is not grounded in objective reality.

XxDavidZullenxX: So far I've seen them stand in front of Old Main with bags over their heads

I think this was them trying to use symbolism.

XxDavidZullenxX: they also had a dodgeball game inside the building where there's antique paintings and such.

This is just stupid.

Ron Paul Revere: Those who would ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

/baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

If hippies were just a publicized minority, and most people were capitalists who hated hippies, then boomers are what we would expect. Their ideals are intact.

Dialectic: We are not going to protest!

/Obscure, I know.

Um, no. Not obscure at all.

fsh: My greatest regret is that, at the end of the day, there has been no positive
movement toward addressing the very issue the students say they want to address.
This group has had multiple meetings with both my representatives and myself in
the last six months and I provided them with a written response to their
concerns on March 19. We also have been in consultation with the other campuses
in the UNC System and no other institution has accepted their demands.

Sounds like he's playing lip service and trying to make them sound unreasonable to CYA. It's not like they firebombed the building.

The UNC system is rich. The question I pose is: Why don't they buy American? That school is in mill, coal, and union country. If they are really as liberal and progressive as they claim they would take the extra profit hit on the millions of UNC tshirts they sell.

To have a shirt manufactured abroad by slave labor is a big spit in the face of the people in North Carolina who worked their fingers to the bone over the last 150 years making garments in substandard mills and who fought and often died for their rights to unionize.


Shame on the UNC system. Shame on them.

Good for the App. State kids.

Milnet

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/I'm using this 2x in one day. Word.
//No really, let me drive, I know the way.

Dialectic: We are not going to protest!

/Obscure, I know.

PCU is never obscure.


//throws hamburger at Vegetarians

I went to a school who had a 9 billion dollar endowment but refused to pay full time cafeteria workers more than $9 an hour and tried to union-bust when they wanted to join the culinary workers union.

This problem isn't unique to the UNC system. Do as we say, not as we do as the saying goes.

Then again, maybe in every generation there is a certain subset of people attracted to politics. And maybe the characteristics and ambitions of that subset is very different than the rest of us, and yet tends to be the same from generation to generation.

This would mean that every generation ends up with its own set of politicians who fark things up regardless of the desires of the rest of us normal human beings in that generation.

I can say with certainty that I never asked nor expected any government representative to do any of the farked up things that they have done.

Not all of us lost our ideals. I never voted for a Bush.
There were nutjobs protesting back then too. But, most demonstrations were peaceful, and, some actually illuminated a problem or two.
There are people out there who are by nature anarchists, and turning a peaceful event into a riot is what they do for fun. Ignore them.
Freedom of speech is worth protesting for, even if what you have is stupid.
So, that being said... " Stop the war- Impeach Nixon...er, I mean Bush!"

And they still aren't accomplishing jack shiat.

Good job, hippies! keep up your whole 'not doing anything useful' campaign, it might work!

FriarTuck: To have a shirt manufactured abroad by slave labor is a big spit in the face of the people in North Carolina who worked their fingers to the bone over the last 150 years making garments in substandard mills and who fought and often died for their rights to unionize.

Exactly. North Carolina used to be one of the biggest textiles producers out there, and now there's entire towns that are dying out because the mills keep going overseas. (Translation: They terk our jerbs!)

Oh, Almost forgot... "Get off my lawn!! You're stepping on my pot plants!!"

Ron Paul Revere:My generalization about Boomers is grounded in my subjective observation of their actions in the time since the 60's. This includes their voting record, the rise of rampant consumerism, and my personal experience with people of that era.

I know some exceptions, and I know some that are the complete epitome of what I'm talking about.

Okay, so long as you're backing it up with some hard data. It's still pretty crappy to hold people to those generalizations though, but at least there is a practical basis/need for them sometimes.

Appalachian State?

That's Hot Hot Hot! (clickypop)

snuff3r
Isn't there an agelimit on "Snowflake"? What was once fun is now a shiatty, overused cliche.

amen to that...and you can add "fail" and "your doing it wrong" to the list. its called comments, not cliches, for a reason...

Ron Paul Revere: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Ron Paul Revere: Those who would ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

/baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

If hippies were just a publicized minority, and most people were capitalists who hated hippies, then boomers are what we would expect. Their ideals are intact.

You're comparing the population in general to the under-30 crowd of the time. Those two demographics had entirely different points of view.

Actually not. I have no time for googling but I'm pretty sure that modern revisionist right wing history claims that there were only really, like, 20 hippies who were just filmed a lot. Everybody else was a loyal patriot dying to go to Vietnam.

^afsh: FriarTuck: To have a shirt manufactured abroad by slave labor is a big spit in the face of the people in North Carolina who worked their fingers to the bone over the last 150 years making garments in substandard mills and who fought and often died for their rights to unionize.

Exactly. North Carolina used to be one of the biggest textiles producers out there, and now there's entire towns that are dying out because the mills keep going overseas. (Translation: They terk our jerbs!)

Unions created an artificial price floor in wages and businesses went elsewhere? Unpossible!

//equilibrium price FTW

Milnet Man
That inspired me

Stupid kids don't realise that in 30 years the genius know-it-alls of the future will be on Fark II, calling them useless, contemptible emos and blaming them for everything the thoughtless assholes of the day find entertaining in the simplified caricatures they hold up as truths.

You should buy as many items made in sweatshops as you can. Sweatshops are far better than the alternatives, which range from dangerous construction jobs to prostitution. In a lot of cases the wages offered by apparel companies are far above the poverty line for that country. For example, the Honduran company involved in the Kathy Lee Gifford sweatshop scandal paid their workers about $13 a day. At the time, almost half the country lived on $2 per day. In most cases the incomes earned are well above the average and the conditions are better than alternative jobs.

Likwit 2008-04-12 04:13:50 PM
You should buy as many items made in sweatshops as you can. Sweatshops are far better than the alternatives, which range from dangerous construction jobs to prostitution. In a lot of cases the wages offered by apparel companies are far above the poverty line for that country. For example, the Honduran company involved in the Kathy Lee Gifford sweatshop scandal paid their workers about $13 a day. At the time, almost half the country lived on $2 per day. In most cases the incomes earned are well above the average and the conditions are better than alternative jobs.

This.

/Save the foreign children from sweatshops. Let them do traditional native jobs like starving on the streets and being used for sex toys and field labor.

Weaver95: Ron Paul Revere: Those who would ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

/baby boomers sold out their ideals, fark 'em in the ass

Not only did they sell out their ideals, but they're lining up to pillage what's left of the social security system. we've got maybe a decade left before the thing implodes.

They'll be dead soon enough and they don't get to keep the money.

/getting in line

bigvicproton: snuff3r
Isn't there an agelimit on "Snowflake"? What was once fun is now a shiatty, overused cliche.

amen to that...and you can add "fail" and "your doing it wrong" to the list. its called comments, not cliches, for a reason...

You'll get over it.

Ron Paul Revere:Those who would ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Maybe try.... "Those who fail to learn from history doom the rest of us to repeat it".

But I think this one more accurate... "The only thing we've learned from history is we don't learn from history".

Ron Paul Revere: They'll be correct, too.

Yes, Monsieur Chauvin, we know what you think.

Losing war? Riiiiiiiight ...

Weaver95: Not only did they sell out their ideals, but they're lining up to pillage what's left of the social security system. we've got maybe a decade left before the thing implodes.

I have been hearing this for the last 20 years.

Farkin' hippies. DIAF

I thought it was obvious the 60's (roughly) were repeating just by some of the pop music of the last few years.

/like this, or this, or this, or this, or (somewhat) this to name a few

A Tout Le Monde: Milnet Man
That inspired me

Goddamn, but you're an idiot.