His critique of Obama is rather convoluted. He's a smart guy and this isn't exactly coherent in some ways. Either he's off his game or Hillary's ghost writer for him sucks. I don't agree with him and could probably do something better than that.

Really? Well, FARK you.

Remove all Republicans: Looks like the tide is turning. Someone peaked a little too early. The convention will be a hoot.

Nope.

So, Hillary has Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson...a couple of former Republicans that are still connected to Washington. Eh, not impressive. I wouldn't be surprised if they had vaginas.

Joseph C. Wilson IV? Can you say 'pompous, self-fellating dickwad'?

FTFA: Obama claims that an antiwar speech he made while running for state Senate in the most liberal district in Illinois is proof of his superior intuitive judgment. But if Obama had been in Washington at that time, participating in the national debate, he would have come face to face with Secretary of State Colin Powell, the same Colin Powell who, as Gen. Powell, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the first Bush administration, the one Obama wishes to emulate.



if my aunt was my uncle, she'd have a dick???

My opinion of Wilson was riding high at one point.

This is uncalled for, especially if he's supporting Clinton.

Then this is an endorsement for Obama, as Wilson is known for getting key facts wrong. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

whidbey: My opinion of Wilson was riding high at one point.

This is uncalled for, especially if he's supporting Clinton.

Yeah, he seems to be going the route of that foul-mouthed toad Larry Johnson. Real classy guys. I guess there is a reason they used to be Republicans.

helix400: Then this is an endorsement for Obama, as Wilson is known for getting key facts wrong. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

What?

HeyHi: But if Obama had been in Washington at that time, participating in the national debate, he would have come face to face with Secretary of State Colin Powell, the same Colin Powell who, as Gen. Powell, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the first Bush administration, the one Obama wishes to emulate.

And if Wilson had kept his mouth shut, his wife would still have a job.

You guys Dan Rather'd the whole story. Do you believe in the Niger yellowcake?

Sabyen91: What?

From the article: "The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."

This is well known. Many of his early claims didn't exactly fit the same muster has he claimed.

I met Mr. Wilson once. Stand up guy on foreign policy and getting the job done right and well, but his opinion about who ought to be president doesn't mean dick to me at this place in time, since I'm now in the same line of work as he previously was; in short, he ought to shut the fark up and let this play out to its natural conclusion - with an Obama victory and Hillary in tears (again).

It seems like his entire argument hinges on the notion that the "build-up" to the use of force in Gulf Wars I and II were 100% identical; this is beyond false.

Remove all Republicans: Looks like the tide is turning. Someone peaked a little too early. The convention will be a hoot.

Huh? I thought she peaked last year.

I got tired of reading but did I glean from that, that the first Gulf War was conducted reasonably but that doesn't mean Obama should attribute that to Bush Sr? I just don't understand where the beef is. Also, Wilson used to be a republican? I can't say I'm surprised.

Be honest, if you were tapping Valerie Plame you'd be a "yes, dear" voter too

Maybe, but I wouldn't tell anyone. She's CIA, ya' know.

Four years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, passing notable foreign policy laws (Obama-Lugar among others), and diplomatic trips in that role (including inspecting Russian missile sites)

==

One hell of a lot more foreign policy experience than:

Bush 2000
Clinton 1992
Reagan 1980
Carter 1976

Well Joe you voted for GW Bush, so I take your opinions on presidential candidates with a grain of salt.
/met J. Wilson and liked him, he can suck a Chenney on this one though.

Hey Joe (where you going with that gun in your hand?), Bush 41 knew better than to go into Baghdad. That's the wisdom you're apparently missing. And yes, Obama just may have listened to UNMOVIC.

More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.

I can't believe no pics yet. GIS for Valerie Plame.

MFL: More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.

Joe Wilson isn't a "lib", MFL. He's a realist who opened his mouth. And got bukkake'd.

MFL: More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.

Well, it's more entertaining than blind partisan obedience, I'll say that much.

/not directed at you, MFL

MFL: More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.



As opposed to the ass-farking we've taken since Jan 01?

I suppose being a "conservative", you don't mind the buggery.

Lawnchair: Four years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, passing notable foreign policy laws (Obama-Lugar among others), and diplomatic trips in that role (including inspecting Russian missile sites)

==

One hell of a lot more foreign policy experience than:

Bush 2000
Clinton 1992
Reagan 1980
Carter 1976

"In fact, Obama's understanding of foreign policy is extraordinarily limited. He has had one job in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: chairman of the Europe and NATO subcommittee. He has not held a single policy hearing in that capacity because, as he said in a debate, he has been too busy running for president. He has not even taken a fact-finding trip or provided any other oversight."

Did you even RTFA?

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: MFL: More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.

Joe Wilson isn't a "lib", MFL. He's a realist who opened his mouth. And got bukkake'd.

Realist? You mean the guy whose "investigation" consisted of spending a few days drinking sweet tea with Nigerian officials (who may or may not have relatives emailing you as we speak) to conclude it was "highly doubtful" anyone from Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Nigeria?

The guy is a proven liar several times over. Why on Earth anyone would care about what he says I do not know

redmid17: Lawnchair: Four years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, passing notable foreign policy laws (Obama-Lugar among others), and diplomatic trips in that role (including inspecting Russian missile sites)

"In fact, Obama's understanding of foreign policy is extraordinarily limited. He has had one job in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: chairman of the Europe and NATO subcommittee. He has not held a single policy hearing in that capacity because, as he said in a debate, he has been too busy running for president. He has not even taken a fact-finding trip or provided any other oversight."

Did you even RTFA?

It's bullshiat. No, he hasn't done much with the European subcommittee. There hasn't been much to do. But he is also an quite-active full member of the standing Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and has made fact-finding trips to Russia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Jordan, Israel (and the Palestinian territories), Kenya, Djibouti, Chad, Ethiopia, and South Africa.

Remove all Republicans: Looks like the tide is turning. Someone peaked a little too early. The convention will be a hoot.



Couldn't agree more.

Powell would have told him, as he told the other senators he briefed at that time, including Sen. Clinton, that the president wanted to use the Authorization for the Use of Military Force resolution not to go to war but, rather, as leverage to go to the United Nations to secure intrusive inspections. George W. Bush repeated this claim publicly.

Well shiat, if George W. Bush said it, it must be true! How is anyone still trying to push the fantasy that the AUMF was a vote for diplomacy? How stupid do these people think we are?

What I Didn't Find in Joe Wilson's Op-Ed Piece

Coherence, relevant historical anecdotes, assessment of Obama's policies, yellow cake, pics of his hot wife.

Bet the Bush administration is wishing they had the whole Plame debacle today seeing as how half of the Democratic party would now side with them.

It seems a bit silly for Joe Wilson to discredit obama's anti-war stance as being worthless, considering that he wanted people to pay lots of attention to his anti war stance in 2002.

Remove all Republicans: Looks like the tide is turning. Someone peaked a little too early. The convention will be a hoot.

how ?

Paedophile_Deluxe:
I'm a gigantic asshole, and need to die for the good of mankind.

Well, yes. But I'm amazed that you possess that level of self-awareness.

helix400: This is well known. Many of his early claims didn't exactly fit the same muster has he claimed.

Dude, y'all lost that fight, and you lost it big time. Bringing it up is just showing the bootmark in your ass.

Looks like ol Joe is about to lose his hero of the left credentials..


lol.

Obdicut: Dude, y'all lost that fight, and you lost it big time. Bringing it up is just showing the bootmark in your ass.

Who is y'all? Am I on a team? Was I rooting for a side?

If it helps, Libby's a jerk, and was rightly found guilty (probably because he was hiding something worse), and his sentence should have stayed. Joe Wilson is also a pompous, self-inflating moron, as later facts and a bipartisan panel indicated.

Corpus Delecti: Paedophile_Deluxe:
I'm a gigantic asshole, and need to die for the good of mankind.

Well, yes. But I'm amazed that you possess that level of self-awareness.

Usually people go for "humorous" or "topical," but I guess "randomly and bizarrely insulting" also works.

If credibility is based on hot wives, Kucinich should be president already.

/let there be pics!
//please?

helix400: Who is y'all? Am I on a team? Was I rooting for a side?

Yes, and yes.

Joe Wilson is also a pompous, self-inflating moron, as later facts and a bipartisan panel indicated.

Those are purely subjective adjectives.

It is extremely clear that the Bush administration vastly exaggerated the threat of nuclear acquisition by the Iraqis. Wilson's part in deflating their hyperbole, and their subsequent attack on him and his wife, was especially contemptible.

MFL: More libs eating their own. This is great entertainment.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral Joe Wilson isn't a "lib", MFL. He's a realist who opened his mouth. And got bukkake'd.

Not talking about Joe Wilson. I'm talking about the people (Obamaniacs) who a few months back couldn't get enough of this guy slamming the Bush Administration, now are throwing him under the bus because he dare criticize Obama Skywalker.

MFL

His critique of Obama is rather convoluted. He's a smart guy and this isn't exactly coherent in some ways. Either he's off his game or Hillary's ghost writer for him sucks. I don't agree with him and could probably do something better than that.

Yeah, that's some throwing under the bus there. "I don't agree with him." Damn, that's harsh.

MFL: Not talking about Joe Wilson. I'm talking about the people (Obamaniacs) who a few months back couldn't get enough of this guy slamming the Bush Administration, now are throwing him under the bus because he dare criticize Obama Skywalker.

Sheeit. You think you're going to get paid or something eventually for trolls like this?

Shut up and vote for the guy.

Obdicut: helix400: Who is y'all? Am I on a team? Was I rooting for a side?

Yes, and yes.

Joe Wilson is also a pompous, self-inflating moron, as later facts and a bipartisan panel indicated.

Those are purely subjective adjectives.

It is extremely clear that the Bush administration vastly exaggerated the threat of nuclear acquisition by the Iraqis. Wilson's part in deflating their hyperbole, and their subsequent attack on him and his wife, was especially contemptible.

I agree. His part in "deflating their hyperbole" was especially contemptible.

MFL: Not talking about Joe Wilson. I'm talking about the people (Obamaniacs) who a few months back couldn't get enough of this guy slamming the Bush Administration, now are throwing him under the bus because he dare criticize Obama Skywalker.

whidbey Sheeit. You think you're going to get paid or something eventually for trolls like this?


ya...had hopes for a flame war with this thread. Turned out to be shiat.

Obdicut: Yes, and yes.

Huh, I didn't realize I did. Thank you Obdicut, for telling me what I didn't know about myself.

helix400: Huh, I didn't realize I did. Thank you Obdicut, for telling me what I didn't know about myself.

You're welcome. You seem to forget this constantly. I'll always helpfully remind you.