It's "Colombia," the deal is extremely beneficial to the US, and just to reiterate the obvious, you are an assbag.

Headline brought to you by the same kind of person who moans about how the "world hates us" but manages not to see the irony in this gem of a post.

Why does she hate DC?

The value of the trade agreement notwithstanding, there must not be enough for the selfless Madame Speaker to gain.
Some lobbyists just aren't trying hard enough to buy their legislator.

Is she crazy?

It is Colombia. Don't feel bad. Fox News can't spell it correctly either.

Hey, speaking of Colombia, that is where I am right now. We are on a 5 week vacation here. Colombia rocks.

What does she have against the University of Missouri?

Any bill that this White House is in a big hurry to push through without debate is usually bad. Reading the fine print might be in order.

vanblah: What does she have against the University of Missouri?

I think she is blocking free trade with the Columbia River.

People in Astoria, Oregon are gonna be pissed off, I tell ya.

kmmontandon: Any bill that this White House is in a big hurry to push through without debate is usually bad. Reading the fine print might be in order.

This!

If GWB is for it then I am against it until convinced otherwise

This is actually a great deal for America. Right now, since the dollar is so weak, the US is in a great position for exporting our products. However, the Democrats will do anything to stop that because they are beholden to special interests, and love duping the American people by selling fear on free trade. It seems that during an election year, all sense of rational economic thought is tossed away and protectionism becomes the norm.

Any bill that this White House is in a big hurry to push through without debate is usually bad. Reading the fine print might be in order.

this

The senate ratifies trade agreements, right? She can bring any legislation thats she wants to the floor its just that it might not apply constitutionally.

Jesus Christ, it's a Hillary supporter!!! Get in the car!!!

vanblah: What does she have against the University of Missouri?

Does this mean less idiots running around during the Show-Me State Games?

I'm in!

To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

Since when did we start taxing cocaine?

SangamonTaylor: This is actually a great deal for America. Right now, since the dollar is so weak, the US is in a great position for exporting our products. However, the Democrats will do anything to stop that because they are beholden to special interests, and love duping the American people by selling fear on free trade. It seems that during an election year, all sense of rational economic thought is tossed away and protectionism becomes the norm.

Yeah. Those lousy Democrats want to ruin our economy. If they had their way, we wouldn't be in this awesome situation we are today.

birdboy2000: To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

Relatively Obscure: Yeah. Those lousy Democrats want to ruin our economy. If they had their way, we wouldn't be in this awesome situation we are today.

Priceless!

for the next 9 months, 11 days Congress oughta treat Bush like the lame duck he is. Don't pass his bills, hell don't even return his calls or reply to his e-mails. Bonus points if they do the whole, "do you hear something, sounds like a tiny annoy little mosquito" routine. This is a good start to that.

birdboy2000: To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

Do you even know what the bill does? Yeah, we'll drop our small tariffs on Colombian goods, but they'll drop their insane tariffs on our goods. How exactly is stopping the deal going to help Colombian labor?

Never mind all that though; my real response is "fark you, asshat."

Way to win over the hearts and minds of our allies Pelosi.

Awesome! Now Columbia can keep shipping stuff to us with only a 5% tariff and we will still be kept out of their market due to their 35% tariffs!

/ Wait, what?

stevecody: Any bill that this White House is in a big hurry to push through without debate is usually bad. Reading the fine print might be in order.

this

what he said

filth: birdboy2000: To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

Do you even know what the bill does? Yeah, we'll drop our small tariffs on Colombian goods, but they'll drop their insane tariffs on our goods. How exactly is stopping the deal going to help Colombian labor?

Never mind all that though; my real response is "fark you, asshat."


stay classy

filth: birdboy2000: To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

Do you even know what the bill does? Yeah, we'll drop our small tariffs on Colombian goods, but they'll drop their insane tariffs on our goods. How exactly is stopping the deal going to help Colombian labor?

Never mind all that though; my real response is "fark you, asshat."

Zing! A powerful intellectual argument. Of course it is the smartest thing you've ever said on Fark, I'll grant you that.

This thread didn't even get out of the station before falling off the tracks.

Can someone explain why Pelosi is pulling this stunt instead of just bringing it up for a vote? If it's so terrible why wouldn't the majority of the representatives vote against it?

Wrong_Intentions for the next 9 months, 11 days Congress oughta treat Bush like the lame duck he is.

Congress is already near a historically low approval rating. There's a pretty good chance that the American public will be fed up by next November.

If she had a spine we would be out of Iraq.

jcooli09: If she had a spine we would be out of Iraq.

aren't you cute!

Free Trade Agreements require one page of text.

"We'll tariff you as much as you tariff us, which will preferably be very low."

The United States has never made a free trade agreement, despite many documents having those two words written in the title.

Managed Trade Agreements have hundreds of pages, carefully control labor, materials, transportation, tax breaks, subsidies, corporate welfare, and other aspects of international commerce. They also disproportionately skrew over some segments of industry and society, to the benefit of other, well connected segments, and at the detriment of free market function.

The United States routinely makes managed trade agreements.

tomhath: Can someone explain why Pelosi is pulling this stunt instead of just bringing it up for a vote? If it's so terrible why wouldn't the majority of the representatives vote against it?

I'm not entirely clear on that point, but I think she felt like Bush was trying to force the legislation on the Congress, in effect usurping the Speaker's prerogative in bringing legislation to the floor. In essence, she's telling Bush to fark off. I think.

Globalization will clean out the dead wood in America, despite Pelosi and the union lobby.

Competition makes us stronger, and fat fark older whites in the US who are used to company pensions, never having to work overtime, getting Fridays off every other week and general low productivity are in for a wake-up call, if it hasn't happened already.

Liberals in general want a world in which no one has to compete to move ahead, there is no merit-based assessment and we all live the same dull unextraordinary lives.

But globalization is ensuring that the party is over for lazy whites in the West, who are going to either sink or swim in the modern economy.

This whole process is going to clear out the dead wood in our society, and make America stronger.

birdboy2000: To all you asshats supporting this bill: do you have any idea what labor rights are like in Colombia?

You're right... the best way to help laborers in the third world is to avoid doing business with them, so that they will have less robust economies, fewer jobs competing for them with better wages and conditions, and maybe... just maybe--if we're lucky-- they won't work at all and will, instead, stay home in their mudhuts and die a slow painful death due to starvation or some lung disease that comes from burning their little stoves indoors.

That would be way better, and we could feel so good about all we've done for them! Like, YAY! for compassion, and stuff!

You have managed to be an economic illiterate and an elitist douchebag at the same time! That's f'ing remarkable!

eastbaywatch: Competition makes us stronger, and fat fark older whites in the US who are used to company pensions, never having to work overtime, getting Fridays off every other week and general low productivity


Where can I find one of those jobs?

Because as someone who lives in reality (you might want to take a trip there), they don't exist except at the top of the pay-scale.

But globalization is ensuring that the party is over for lazy whites in the West, who are going to either sink or swim in the modern economy.

Yeah ... because our current economic problems are due to low productivity. That's it.

vanblah: What does she have against the University of Missouri?

SOOOO many things to choose from...

How much do you all actually think we export to Colombia?
The United States is Colombia's largest trading partner, representing about 40% of Colombia's exports and 26.6% of its imports.

Tariffs were in place many years ago to protect the American worker from losing their jobs. It kept cheap imports at an inflated price so as to keep American money spent for American products.

It's one thing to be importing things we don't (didn't) have here in exchange for products "they" (as in everyone else) don't have there,...

but to allow those things in here cheaper than we can produce it, means a loss of American jobs.

Sure, we get things cheaper, but the cost realizes to be much more of a loss as a whole.

Where was Pelosi when Clinton passed NAFTA and Bush passed CAFTA?
The biatch voted for NAFTA. (new window)
But I guess she woke up for CAFTA. (new window)

eastbaywatch: Globalization will clean out the dead wood in America, despite Pelosi and the union lobby.
OK...

Competition makes us stronger, and fat fark older whites in the US who are used to company pensions, never having to work overtime, getting Fridays off every other week and general low productivity are in for a wake-up call, if it hasn't happened already.
Looking good...

Liberals in general want a world in which no one has to compete to move ahead, there is no merit-based assessment and we all live the same dull unextraordinary lives.
Almost there...

But globalization is ensuring that the party is over for lazy whites in the West, who are going to either sink or swim in the modern economy.

This whole process is going to clear out the dead wood in our society, and make America stronger.

AAAHHH! And he fails to stick the landing. Vanna, what lovely parting gifts do we have for our contestant?

Glad she is in touch with most of America, and finally stood up to this enormous issue. Luckily there is nothing else going on that might have warranted a backbone. What a loser she is.

eastbaywatch: Globalization will clean out the dead wood in America, despite Pelosi and the union lobby.

Competition makes us stronger, and fat fark older whites in the US who are used to company pensions, never having to work overtime, getting Fridays off every other week and general low productivity are in for a wake-up call, if it hasn't happened already.

Liberals in general want a world in which no one has to compete to move ahead, there is no merit-based assessment and we all live the same dull unextraordinary lives.

But globalization is ensuring that the party is over for lazy whites in the West, who are going to either sink or swim in the modern economy.

This whole process is going to clear out the dead wood in our society, and make America stronger.

This almost brought a tear in my eye.
What craftsmanship. Its like the Mona Lisa of trollery.

/slow clap

Stoker: to allow those things in here cheaper than we can produce it, means a loss of American jobs.

Stupid left-wing canard.

smitty1276

So embargoes and trade sanctions have never created political change? Never?

Our current system favors sweatshops, because there is no reward for treating workers well and they can reduce costs. (If the sweatshop workers rebel, they are generally branded as communists and the US sends military aid to crush the rebellion.) If we put in a system which favored worker's rights, or even tied it to continued military aid, the downtrodden all around the world would benefit.

I don't know the first thing about economics. I do, however, have a clue as to the harm neoliberalism has inflicted on the vast majority of the world. There's a reason people like Chavez win elections.

And personally, I much prefer tariffs and pensions to trade agreements with slavocracies and whining about how we need to stop being lazy and compete with them.

eastbaywatch
That is and is likely to be the smartest thing posted in this thread.

eastbaywatch: Stoker: to allow those things in here cheaper than we can produce it, means a loss of American jobs.

Stupid left-wing canard.

Yes, the Heritage Foundation is certainly an unbiased source. For instance saying there are 1.9 million more Americans employed since the recession ended in November 2001 is pretty useless when you consider those jobs are primarily in low-level service industry positions. Currenly our unemployment level is at 5.1% which is the highest in three years.

eastbaywatch: Stupid left-wing canard.

now give us some newsmax links and really show us!

Stoker

Sure, we get things cheaper, but the cost realizes to be much more of a loss as a whole.

So if I understand your argument correctly. A well educated, well equipped laborer is in no way able to compete with a poorly educated, poorly equipped laborer?

That the slow death of industry in Ohio has nothing to do with their horrible regulations, and the expanding economy in Texas has nothing to do with their trade-positive business-positive stance?

citation pops

Additionally, it seems you argue that the poor laborer in Colombia should not have access to the wealth of America?

I'm confused... On what level do you think you're compassionate? On what level are you for enriching the poor?

Oh, the level where it's okay to enrich the poor in the US but NOT in Colombia. Those guys are on their own. They have to build their industries from the ground up with limited access to investment funds. I gotcha...

OH WAIT THAT MAKES NO FARKING SENSE!

Here is a good article from the Wall Street Journal about the American jobs put at risk if this bill doesn't go through. (new window)It is easy to confuse somebody else's hand up a puppet's back as a spine, but I am afraid subby is mistaken. Blocking this bill is not a boon to our economy. Nor is it a boon to our international stature.

Actually, its a 2004 link, and lets take point 1.
Myth #1: America is losing jobs.

Fact: More Americans are employed than ever before.


this doesnt really fly anymore. its been huge news.
Heres some 2008 articles
US suffers worst jobs decline in five years
Decline in U.S. Jobs Could Prove Costly to GOP Nominee
NAFTA reform just the start - U.S. trade critics

eastbaywatch: Stoker: to allow those things in here cheaper than we can produce it, means a loss of American jobs.

Stupid left-wing canard.
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Yeah, You're a real smart one. The Heritage Foundation is one of the last groups you can trust. Right wing fool. Go back a few years and see how America used to be run, and you will see it worked well and America became the industrial leader, not the follower.
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eastbaywatch: Globalization will clean out the dead wood in America, despite Pelosi and the union lobby.

Competition makes us stronger, and fat fark older whites in the US who are used to company pensions, never having to work overtime, getting Fridays off every other week and general low productivity are in for a wake-up call, if it hasn't happened already.

Liberals in general want a world in which no one has to compete to move ahead, there is no merit-based assessment and we all live the same dull unextraordinary lives.

But globalization is ensuring that the party is over for lazy whites in the West, who are going to either sink or swim in the modern economy.

This whole process is going to clear out the dead wood in our society, and make America stronger.
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That post makes me think you should go back to where you came, Racist. There's a lot of hard working whites here in America, as well as hard working people of all nationalities in America. There are also a shiat load of lazy bums here of whites and other nationalities, so just saying white shows where you sit.

Screw your Globalization. (One world Government) Watch out for America first as we are Americans.