It's like the people who make Homiez decided to make a Cabbage Patch Doll.

Carter?

/hotlinked

Its about damn time. I was starting to think they'd never release that thing.

/sarcasm

The man is a Promethazine w/Codeine junkie, so nothing that comes out w/his name on it should surprise anyone. He's openly bragged about it and has no plans to stop using "sizzurp." What a farking joke. I'll give him a year before he's dead. I really love seeing how young black kids look up to pieces of shiat like him, actually give a shiat about no-talent trash like him. I still love hip-hop but it's a shadow of what it once was.

/get off my lawn
//in before the thread devolves into the usual

Ravens357: I really love seeing how young black kids look up to pieces of shiat like him, actually give a shiat about no-talent trash like him.

Dude, take a look at your profile. You look up to Ray Lewis.

This music is horrible.

-opeth-

stingrza: Ravens357: I really love seeing how young black kids look up to pieces of shiat like him, actually give a shiat about no-talent trash like him.

Dude, take a look at your profile. You look up to Ray Lewis.

Look up to? I'm a grown ass man "dude." I look up to my father and a few other select individuals. Since I happen to be a borderline fanatical Baltimore Ravens fan, I love Ray Lewis as an athlete. I think he's one of the best linebackers of all time and his passion for the game is unparalleled. It doesn't mean I "look up" to him. There aren't too many pro athletes I see as role models; I need a little more than that, I guess. But if trolling through my profile for something to criticize is the best you can do in response to my post, work with what you've got, I guess.

It's cool, "hip-hop" fans that listen to this tripe on the radio will forget about it in 2 weeks. Their loyalty and attention span are about the same when it comes to this shiat. Just wait until another crappy hip-hop artist lets their new cd "drop" with yet another catchy synth line and a similar beat...they'll be all over it.

Ravens357: stingrza: Ravens357: I really love seeing how young black kids look up to pieces of shiat like him, actually give a shiat about no-talent trash like him.

Dude, take a look at your profile. You look up to Ray Lewis.

Look up to? I'm a grown ass man "dude." I look up to my father and a few other select individuals. Since I happen to be a borderline fanatical Baltimore Ravens fan, I love Ray Lewis as an athlete. I think he's one of the best linebackers of all time and his passion for the game is unparalleled. It doesn't mean I "look up" to him. There aren't too many pro athletes I see as role models; I need a little more than that, I guess. But if trolling through my profile for something to criticize is the best you can do in response to my post, work with what you've got, I guess.

Oh God, you're one of those. Sorry, "sir," I didn't know.

stingrza: Ravens357: stingrza: Ravens357: I really love seeing how young black kids look up to pieces of shiat like him, actually give a shiat about no-talent trash like him.

Dude, take a look at your profile. You look up to Ray Lewis.

Look up to? I'm a grown ass man "dude." I look up to my father and a few other select individuals. Since I happen to be a borderline fanatical Baltimore Ravens fan, I love Ray Lewis as an athlete. I think he's one of the best linebackers of all time and his passion for the game is unparalleled. It doesn't mean I "look up" to him. There aren't too many pro athletes I see as role models; I need a little more than that, I guess. But if trolling through my profile for something to criticize is the best you can do in response to my post, work with what you've got, I guess.

Oh God, you're one of those. Sorry, "sir," I didn't know.

What might one of those be? A 33 year old from Maryland named Dave? A farker? A man? Pray tell, what "sir," are you referring to? You're coming up kind of lame here with your posts. Frankly, for someone your age from the West Coast, I expected a better reply.

Every time some of us try to defend rap someone posts something like this album cover.

Ravens357: I still love hip-hop but it's a shadow of what it once was.

No. It isn't. What major labels want you to believe is that it is nothing but violence, sexism, and materialism. Listen to and support independent artists and record labels and you will discover that real hip hop is anything but what they show on BET and MTV.

I love how Fark loves to drag out the worst in rap music and parade it around as if to say, "look at how awful all this rap music is."

If I ran around with Fall Out Boy albums and said, "look at how awful rock music is" people would be throwing Bloc Party or White Stripe albums at me telling me to shut up. Yes, there are rappers like Lil Wayne. Yes, they suck.

Why not talk about a good rap artist like Aceyalone? Does everyone just want to talk about really awful garbage and how much they hate it or do they want to talk about art and music and be constructive?

I just don't understand anymore.

And by the way, Ravens357, I'm not trying to jump down your throat or anything. I just thought your quote was appropriate. I can see what you listen to in your profile.

Glitchwerks: And by the way, Ravens357, I'm not trying to jump down your throat or anything. I just thought your quote was appropriate. I can see what you listen to in your profile.

I understand what you're saying. I tend to try and avoid the hip-hop threads because of how they get trolled. For people who hate rap music, they sure go out of their way - and I mean falling over each other to get to their keyboards - to post in any thread that has to do with rap music, rappers or anything related. It's funny to see how the genre that was "only a fad" and wasn't going to last always brings such a passionate response from those who like it the least.

I think you're right; more people need to support the indy artists, and it applies to other types of music as well. I don't understand why people will line up to spend money on the same old crap instead of opening their minds up to something that they might actually enjoy. Consequently, fools like this continue to get rich and their army of wannabes continue to try and be the next Wayne. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

/puts on A Tribe Called Quest

I'd just like to get this out of the way:

Lil wayne does not suck, i think he's great.

I hate most rap music, but come on now he's so sick he needsa doc yes

Glitchwerks: Every time some of us try to defend rap someone posts something like this album cover.

Ravens357: I still love hip-hop but it's a shadow of what it once was.

No. It isn't. What major labels want you to believe is that it is nothing but violence, sexism, and materialism. Listen to and support independent artists and record labels and you will discover that real hip hop is anything but what they show on BET and MTV.

I love how Fark loves to drag out the worst in rap music and parade it around as if to say, "look at how awful all this rap music is."

If I ran around with Fall Out Boy albums and said, "look at how awful rock music is" people would be throwing Bloc Party or White Stripe albums at me telling me to shut up. Yes, there are rappers like Lil Wayne. Yes, they suck.

Why not talk about a good rap artist like Aceyalone? Does everyone just want to talk about really awful garbage and how much they hate it or do they want to talk about art and music and be constructive?

I just don't understand anymore.


Maybe you don't understand because your taste in rap is just as elitist as the people you're talkin' to.

I mean damn...........I love Aceyalone, but I also love Lil' Wayne and I'm not about to apologize to any 40-year-old WASP farkers on lunch break for that. And with all due respect, I'm DAMN sure not about to apologize to any indignant "heads" like you who seem to magically appear in every rap thread. Frankly, I find your point of view just as annoying as the "C-rap" crowd.

/"Mama Gave Me" by Lil' Wayne is better than Aceyalone's whole career

Ravens357

The man is a Promethazine w/Codeine junkie, so nothing that comes out w/his name on it should surprise anyone. He's openly bragged about it and has no plans to stop using "sizzurp." What a farking joke. I'll give him a year before he's dead.

stingrza

Dude, take a look at your profile. You look up to Ray Lewis.

How did you overlook that he has Jimi Hendrix in his profile? That would have been a much better fit

Afrika Spam-bot-ah:
Maybe you don't understand because your taste in rap is just as elitist as the people you're talkin' to.

I mean damn...........I love Aceyalone, but I also love Lil' Wayne and I'm not about to apologize to any 40-year-old WASP farkers on lunch break for that. And with all due respect, I'm DAMN sure not about to apologize to any indignant "heads" like you who seem to magically appear in every rap thread. Frankly, I find your point of view just as annoying as the "C-rap" crowd.

/"Mama Gave Me" by Lil' Wayne is better than Aceyalone's whole career

I disagree about who is better, but that's not my point. My point is that every rap thread on Fark breaks down into an extremely dismissive diatribe against all of rap music. It's gotten to the point where it's just thinly veiled racial prejudice. You can go a few threads below to see what I'm talking about.

As for my taste in music, you can step off. Aceyalone and Mumble's "Book of Human Language" is better than Lil Wayne and all of Cash Money's garbage combined. You can have your own opinion and you can question mine all you want, but I can slap you upside your head with any number of classic 12"s out of my crates. I grew up with hip hop, so if that makes me an elitist, so be it.

I'm not sure if the issue is the quality of the music as much as it is that some people aren't realistic about their musical preferences. A lot of music is simply pop, it's entertainment, it's vacant. Other songs have substance, either musically, lyrically, or a combination. As long as you understand that there is a difference, you'll do fine.

I think the problems start when people think that current pop artist "A" is simply the awesomest performer and bestest song writer ever when someone else writes the songs, a studio band records, software fixes the vocals, and the stage show is more scandal than music...

/just my two cents

//Also, because I like them, I will share them:
Atmosphere (just a ten letter word)
Felt
Brother Ali
(Rhymesayers in general)
Grand Buffet
K-os

Glitchwerks:
I disagree about who is better, but that's not my point. My point is that every rap thread on Fark breaks down into an extremely dismissive diatribe against all of rap music. It's gotten to the point where it's just thinly veiled racial prejudice. You can go a few threads below to see what I'm talking about.

As for my taste in music, you can step off. Aceyalone and Mumble's "Book of Human Language" is better than Lil Wayne and all of Cash Money's garbage combined. You can have your own opinion and you can question mine all you want, but I can slap you upside your head with any number of classic 12"s out of my crates. I grew up with hip hop, so if that makes me an elitist, so be it.


Ok......I'll "step off bro".

Like I said, it's not your taste in music that bothers me as much as the whole, "Lil' Wayne is what the eeeeevil record labels WANT you to think Hip Hop is about!!" mentality. It's dumb, and it's usually a good indicator of who's from the hood and who discovered Hip Hop in college. If you really did "grow up with Hip Hop", that's great, but you sure as fark don't talk like it.

Afrika Spam-bot-ah:
Like I said, it's not your taste in music that bothers me as much as the whole, "Lil' Wayne is what the eeeeevil record labels WANT you to think Hip Hop is about!!" mentality. It's dumb, and it's usually a good indicator of who's from the hood and who discovered Hip Hop in college. If you really did "grow up with Hip Hop", that's great, but you sure as fark don't talk like it.

I'm not talking, I'm typing. But I'll humor you. How should I talk? Like I'm from ..."The 'Hood?"

Glitchwerks: Afrika Spam-bot-ah:
Like I said, it's not your taste in music that bothers me as much as the whole, "Lil' Wayne is what the eeeeevil record labels WANT you to think Hip Hop is about!!" mentality. It's dumb, and it's usually a good indicator of who's from the hood and who discovered Hip Hop in college. If you really did "grow up with Hip Hop", that's great, but you sure as fark don't talk like it.

I'm not talking, I'm typing. But I'll humor you. How should I talk? Like I'm from ..."The 'Hood?"


Humor me and I'll humor you. Let me break it down for you in simpler terms.

Where I live at, nobody has ever heard of aceyalone. Period. Point blank. NOBODY. Like it or not, Lil' Wayne represents Hip Hop in the neighborhoods and cities where Hip Hop CULTURE lives, not just hipster record shops with obscure indie vinyls. So, hence, therefore, ergo, when people come on internet websites and claim that Aceyalone represents Hip Hop and not Lil' Wayne because he's "garbage", it raises a couple red flags about what kinda person that person is in his/her personal life as a person.

Not sayin' you have to be a fan of Lil' Wayne.......I completely understand anyone not liking his style and leavin' it at that. But I don't know when it became cool for backpack rap nerds (no offense) to delegate what "real hip hop" is and what isn't. That little trend needs to die.

I'm not tryin' to attack you or anything, just kinda tired of people coming on Fark to defend Hip Hop without realizing they aren't defending anything at all.

Public Enemy left me with higher expectations than Lil Wayne. And that's really all I can say.

No baby head shop yet? For Shame. FOR SHAME!!

/on me for having no skills to do it myself.

Glitchwerks: Public Enemy left me with higher expectations than Lil Wayne. And that's really all I can say.

Why can't they both exist at the same time? Genres don't have fences.

Afrika Spam-bot-ah: Glitchwerks: Public Enemy left me with higher expectations than Lil Wayne. And that's really all I can say.

Why can't they both exist at the same time? Genres don't have fences.

You've really missed my point, so I'm going to repost an earlier post:

Glitchwerks:
Ravens357: I still love hip-hop but it's a shadow of what it once was.

No. It isn't. What major labels want you to believe is that it is nothing but violence, sexism, and materialism. Listen to and support independent artists and record labels and you will discover that real hip hop is anything but what they show on BET and MTV.

I love how Fark loves to drag out the worst in rap music and parade it around as if to say, "look at how awful all this rap music is."

For every one "Common" there's 1,000 "Lil Waynes." You don't have your De La's or your Tribes in the charts along with your D.O.C.'s and N.W.A.'s anymore. All you have is a photocopied, stereotypical "rap artist" like Lil Wayne. It was funny the first few times with Master P or Three Six, but's it's not funny when every single kid is wearing a Scarface shirt and trying to emulate that he's some diehard thug.

The current mainstream climate would never accept another Shock G in their midst. If it's not going to sell a cell phone or some brand of 20" wheels, it's not going to be played on the radio.

Thankfully, there is a place to go where it is about the music, and it's outside the farking mall stores in some dingy corner of your city. They still sell wax and it never went out of style.

Yeah, "backpack-wearing-hipster-nerd-wannabe-whatever." Or it's just the underground. And that's where my head and my hood is.

Atmosphere sucks, I knew someone would drop his name in here.

/and I'm off!

Glitchwerks: For every one "Common" there's 1,000 "Lil Waynes." You don't have your De La's or your Tribes in the charts along with your D.O.C.'s and N.W.A.'s anymore. All you have is a photocopied, stereotypical "rap artist" like Lil Wayne.

Glitchwerks: If it's not going to sell a cell phone or some brand of 20" wheels, it's not going to be played on the radio.


Do you even listen to the radio??

Dudes like Lupe Fiasco and Common get played just as much as Lil' Wayne on ANY major rap radio station around the country. That's undebatable. There are so many "positive" rappers making HUGELY successful music, but they don't fit into your conspiratorial hypothesis so of course they get conveniently pushed out of your mind, right?

I mean seriously...........even before Outkast got "weird" they were selling millions. I don't know how people can make these dumb claims about the "mainstream". Are dudes like Nas, Busta Rhymes, and Jay-Z not considered "real hip hop" anymore, because all of them are still on top of the game. How can you pretend they don't exist? Just to make a point?

But even besides that, back when N.W.A. was hot, you know who was selling even MORE records than they were?? MC Hammer. Uncle Luke and the 2 Live Crew. Etc etc etc.

There's always a balance, and there's definitely still a balance today. I'm sorry there's not more backwards-moving "Let's go back to 1995" boom-bap artists out there for your standards, but things are lookin' fine from my perspective.

I've been reading this thread and have come to the conclusion that not a single one of you have any idea whatsoever what quality Hip Hop is. The Reason: Not one of You has made mention of The Fat Boys. There I said it.

Lil Wayne has some truly excellent punchlines in his raps, his stuff from mixtapes is much, much better than the stuff on his albums (so far, and in my opinion).

I like quite a bit of the "backpack rap" but you should know it's been making its way into the mainstream. Aceyalone was on the Hip Hop Nation channel on Sirius yesterday afternoon, and as was pointed out Common and Lupe get tons of airplay.

If you're familiar with hip hop at all you probably can recognize the difference between club artists like Three Six, who get a hook and beat you can dance too, rap a little, and repeat it for three minutes, and the artists who are primarily lyricists like Common and yes, Lil Wayne. Sure some of the club rap is formulaic, but I respect it for what it is, and recognize that coming up with a new hook and some loops that don't make people cringe actually takes some talent.

Afrika Spam-bot-ah:
Do you even listen to the radio??

Dudes like Lupe Fiasco and Common get played just as much as Lil' Wayne on ANY major rap radio station around the country. That's undebatable. There are so many "positive" rappers making HUGELY successful music, but they don't fit into your conspiratorial hypothesis so of course they get conveniently pushed out of your mind, right?

No, I don't listen to the radio. I listen to a lot of music, a lot more than they could play on the radio. I'm not saying that to brag or anything. I'm also not going to list every artist that I possibly can. I've done that in other threads, it's already been done in this thread (by others.) I didn't mention Lupe so you get upset? Seriously, wtf? What I see or hear is random snatches on the rare occasions I turn on the radio. Am I an expert? No, and I never claimed to be. If you wish to claim that this invalidates my argument, you can. I stopped listening to mainstream music of all kinds a long time ago.

I mean seriously...........even before Outkast got "weird" they were selling millions.

If you consider Outkast weird, you should never look at my music collection.

I don't know how people can make these dumb claims about the "mainstream". Are dudes like Nas, Busta Rhymes, and Jay-Z not considered "real hip hop" anymore, because all of them are still on top of the game. How can you pretend they don't exist? Just to make a point?

I never liked Jay-Z. I liked Nas and Busta in the beginning. Not so much anymore. Am I going to say they sold out? No. But they did start making material that IMO wasn't as inspired as they were when they first started. But I didn't mention any of these artists. I didn't care to, it wasn't the point, but you're trying to make it my point. I'm not saying what is hip hop and what isn't. I am NOT saying Aceyalone is more "hip hop" than someone else. He just makes a better record with more depth and originality.

But even besides that, back when N.W.A. was hot, you know who was selling even MORE records than they were?? MC Hammer. Uncle Luke and the 2 Live Crew. Etc etc etc.

There's always a balance, and there's definitely still a balance today. I'm sorry there's not more backwards-moving "Let's go back to 1995" boom-bap artists out there for your standards, but things are lookin' fine from my perspective.

Actually, mainstream rap music today is ganking all their production from 1990's techno records, how's that for going back? I could tear the production of almost any mainstream rap act apart. There's no originality in there anymore.

I never said anything about rap in general going back to 1995. I'm just saying the climate for a group like De La Soul to make it big is never going to come back in the mainstream music scene.

There's plenty of wicked stuff going on underground, like RJD2's unbelievably happy tunes that take me back with great vibes, unique production, etc.

In summary, my main points so you don't misconstrue me even further...
1. Fark does not like rap music and thinks it is all like Lil Wayne.
2. Mainstream rap is 99% garbage. It's as much music as Britney Spears is. It's pop designed to sell. It's the McDonalds of the music world. If you like it, you are entitled to.
3. Underground music is a wonderful and vibrant scene.

Now, if you disagree, that's fine. Can we leave it at that? Because you aren't ever going to convince me otherwise. We can discuss music though.

BTW, the album cover linked to in this thread is a fake.

Still no babyhead photoshop? Really? Fark, I hardly know ye.

can't wait till that shiat drops. he keeps putting it off. I've been expecting it since las summer.

To whom it may concern: You're a complete idiot if you spend more than 10 minutes of your life arguing about music. Worrying about what other people think about the music you listen to just shows how petty and insecure you are.

Tony Stark: To whom it may concern: You're a complete idiot if you spend more than 10 minutes of your life arguing about music. Worrying about what other people think about the music you listen to just shows how petty and insecure you are.

It beats working.

Man... I just got served.

Glitchwerks: Yes, there are rappers like Lil Wayne. Yes, they suck

you had me till this

seriously, little wayne is better than a lot of people give him credit for

he might not be as good as some people give him credit for (lil wayne himself comes to mind), but he certainly doesn't "suck"

some of his stuff is just as deep as any "backpack" shiat you wanna dig through the stacks for

/is backpack still an acceptable term?

Afrika Spam-bot-ah: Where I live at, nobody has ever heard of aceyalone. Period. Point blank. NOBODY. Like it or not, Lil' Wayne represents Hip Hop in the neighborhoods and cities where Hip Hop CULTURE lives, not just hipster record shops with obscure indie vinyls. So, hence, therefore, ergo, when people come on internet websites and claim that Aceyalone represents Hip Hop and not Lil' Wayne because he's "garbage", it raises a couple red flags about what kinda person that person is in his/her personal life as a person.

Not sayin' you have to be a fan of Lil' Wayne.......I completely understand anyone not liking his style and leavin' it at that. But I don't know when it became cool for backpack rap nerds (no offense) to delegate what "real hip hop" is and what isn't. That little trend needs to die.

someone just got added to my favorite users list!

/everyday's christmas
/i'm egg-nogg'd out

Prayers for Omarion, Weezey brings out the beast.

And for some reason that joke never gets old...

Lil Wayne works harder than anybody out there. On over 50 albums in 2007 alone. Was on Boondocks. Toured. Put out a ton of free shiat thats better than any of his pop albums.

Link (new window)

Thats called work.

I'll get off your lawn, but believe that I shiat in your bushes and I'm taking your daughter.

/Knows Carter III wont be as good as his free mix tapes.
//Seeing Saul Williams next week.
///Does not approve of term "backpack" rap/hip-hop, but likes a lot that would fit the moniker.

peestings: I've been reading this thread and have come to the conclusion that not a single one of you have any idea whatsoever what quality Hip Hop is. The Reason: Not one of You has made mention of The Fat Boys. There I said it.

THE HUMAN BEATBOX!!!
THE PUERTO RICAN PRINCE!!!
KOOL ROCK-SKI!!!

peestings, well done! +1

I'm glad to know that there is at least one farker with some real taste. And class. You have made my day fritopendejo and for that I thank you.

Best rap album ever: