Before the 20th Amendment fans chime in I have to ask..

Have you ever seen a woman vote?

I mean a nation's sensible interests voted against with deadly force.

Just wondering...

Smellvin: Before the 20th 19th Amendment

/FTFM

Smellvin: Smellvin: Before the 20th 19th Amendment

/FTFM

Yeah, things have gone down the shiatter since we moved the Inauguration to January.

Interesting, most thesis are a matter of public record.

Smellvin

Some one did a study (I forgot who and have been trying to find it... I suck at googling) on how Married women TEND to vote with their husbands the majority of the time. And single women almost half the time tend to vote in a way a male relative they trust does

Bored Horde: Interesting, most thesis are a matter of public record.

I can think of two that are not, off the top of my head..

Both authors have the same last name too

MonkeyVegetables

Strange how public figures these days do that.

karasoth: MonkeyVegetables

Strange how public figures these days do that.

It is like they are afraid of the truth and only want the public to hear emotionally polarizing sound bites with no real substance

karasoth: Some one did a study (I forgot who and have been trying to find it... I suck at googling) on how Married women TEND to vote with their husbands the majority of the time. And single women almost half the time tend to vote in a way a male relative they trust does

That's true in my situation. My wife votes with me most if not all the time. Of course, we also usually have similar views on things. Besides, she knows I research politics a lot more than she does, so in many ways she relies on me for information in that department.

MonkeyVegetables

Especially since I heard a thesis where some one attacked the Social Welfare model and he was a socialist. He said "I had to write a paper connected to the data i collected"

That seems a better course of action

JohnnyC

actually thats the phenomina in a nutshell. These women don't follow politics but they trust the perspective of a relative (*USUALLY a male relative*) who does

I don't know about Stanford but it I think most university libraries only retain copies of doctoral dissertation. Some might retain thesis documents for master degrees but I doubt any library keeps copies of undergraduate thesis unless it is because the person is a significant historical figure. You can expect that someone like MLK Jr or Hemmingway would have even their crayon drawings from first grade as part of a university's special collection but Chelsea Clinton's undergraduate work doesn't seem to me to be something the university library would care about the slightest bit.

karasoth

The truth will set you free... or something like that

People tend to marry like-minded spouses. Just because the husbanded voted one way doesn't mean the wife is following him...she probably just agrees with him.

EngineerAU

Universities keep them on file

the reason starts with a P and ends with a lagerism

Smellvin: Before the 20th Amendment fans chime in I have to ask..

Have you ever seen a woman vote?

I mean a nation's sensible interests voted against with deadly force.

Just wondering...

Well, the era of super huge gubment was ushered in by women voting. Many of the dem wins in traditionally conservative or should I say GOP areas are largely due to women voting...and dems leaving their cesspool cities to find solace in the burbs (Chicago area).

EngineerAU

Universities keep them on file

the reason starts with a P and ends with a lagerism

Broadcastdave

Ha!

/took me a second

EngineerAU

Universities keep them on file

the reason starts with a P and ends with a lagerism¹

                            

1. karasoth, Comment on fark.com at 11:27:18 AM, http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3518446.

Looks like pretty much everyone with a legitimate interest can find a copy of the thesis, but nobody's giving a copy to the press, and they're getting the runaround instead. (Chelsea to Stanford, Stanford to Chelsea)

I think this is a good thing. I'm not sure we have a compelling national interest in reading Chelsea's thesis.

EngineerAU: I don't know about Stanford but it I think most university libraries only retain copies of doctoral dissertation.

-Penn State keeps a copy of every honors college thesis.

A 150 page thesis that you wrote as a Senior? That's not a thesis, that's a dissertation. My Master's was only about 33 pages, and I had a lot more time and effort available than an undergrad would. And it is available in a library.

EngineerAU

Universities keep them on file

the reason starts with a P and ends with a lagerism

EngineerAU

Universities retain them in files

The primary aspect for the reasoning begins with a P and commences with a lagerism

ChopSueyKS: People tend to marry like-minded spouses. Just because the husbanded voted one way doesn't mean the wife is following him...she probably just agrees with him.

Or he agrees with her ;)

Superjoe: A 150 page thesis that you wrote as a Senior? That's not a thesis, that's a dissertation. My Master's was only about 33 pages, and I had a lot more time and effort available than an undergrad would. And it is available in a library.

Length depends on your field of study, methodology (qualitative versus quantitative), findings, writing style, blah, blah, blah. In my field (communications), 150 pages is about the average length of a thesis, though I'm hoping I'm lucky enough to get 100. Most of my professors had about 250 for their dissertations. My undergraduate lit professors had dissertations of 350+ pages, and my undergrad advisor wrote 671 pages.

An undergraduate honors thesis would not be catalogued with or in the same manner as graduate theses and dissertations. It might be in a library somewhere, or her advisor might have a copy (I'm sure one must be kept for some period of time.), but why didn't SHE keep a copy? Most people value achievements like that enough to keep them.

TheXRayStyle: EngineerAU

Universities retain them in files

The primary aspect for the reasoning begins with a P and commences with a lagerism

i like this one

Plagiarism.

"Lagerism"? Is that like where you think lagers are the only beer, and your local home-brewing club hates you?

Two things:

1. Senior theses don't go to the library. Master's theses and doctoral dissertations do.

2. 150 pages? Jesus Christ it's a volume, get in the car. My eventual doctoral dissertation probably won't be that long. I hope.

/home-brewer
//patriot

I doubt even my undergrad advisor kept my thesis and I graduated last year.

The more important question is: who gives a fark?

EngineerAU

Universities keep them on file

the reason starts with a P and ends with a lagerism

THIS. My BA in History came with a portfolio requirement. In addition to a 35-page senior paper, we had to turn in several papers from each level of classes (100 level, 200 level, etc.) We also had to submit a paper describing our "learning experience" over the duration of the program. It wasn't hard to hold onto the graded papers for the few years, but some kids overlooked that requirement and had to deal with it - begging former professors to re-grade old papers...

Not only are those papers on file at my school, they were made available to other schools in the area.

//Plagerism sucks.

3825968:

We see in 3825968's writing that the reasons universities would keep any thesis on file is to ward off the looming threat of the P strand of lagerism (3518446). This strand can be devistating to any college or university.


3825968. "Chelsea proves apple doesn't fall far from the tree: no one can find her college thesis about peace negotiations in Ireland. Document expected to be found a week after the statute of limitations expires on the corner of her desk." Fark. 6 April 2008. Drew Curtis. 6 April 2008. http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3518446.

/MLA FTW

My explanation of saving papers
by Smellvin

My BA in English came with a portfolio requirement. In addition to a 35-page senior paper, we had to write several papers from each level of classes (100 level, 200 level, etc.) We also had to submit a paper describing our "learning experience" over the duration of the program. It wasn't hard to hold onto the graded papers for the few years, but some students overlooked that requirement and had to deal with it - begging former professors to re-grade old papers...

Not only are those papers on file at my school, they were made available to other schools in the area.

//Plagerism sucks.

The thesis, says Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines, "was written to satisfy an academic requirement-not media curiosity."

I follow politcs like a cop follows a donut thief, and am no particular Clinton supporter, but THIS.

3825968

You sir win 1 Free Internet

Louder And More Dissonant

Her mother is running on her roll in the Northern Ireland peace process. Their are plenty of disputes to her narrative. Chelsea provides a unique historical document. The Daughter of a President writing a document about the President's policy with an interview that anyone else wouldn't get. That combined with her research gives a perspective on the truth that is unlikely to have been spun. Chelsea furthermore is a campaign proxy and that makes her Thesis as in game as Michelle Obama's and nearly as relevant as her mothers. It also makes it as relevant as many of the private statements of other proxies of both the Clinton and Obama.

She isn't a kid anymore. She is a grown up and she's on the stump so its fair game

Smellvin: Before the 20th Amendment fans chime in I have to ask..

Have you ever seen a woman vote?

I mean a nation's sensible interests voted against with deadly force.

Just wondering...

Amendment XX

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

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Bored Horde: Interesting, most thesis are a matter of public record.



So let me get this straight: the media asks Chelsea Clinton for a copy of the thesis. Chelsea tells them to go get it from Stanford.

The media asks Stanford for the document. Stanford says they have a copy, but can't give it out without Chelsea Clinton's approval.

So what's the problem? Chelsea already said yes, go ask the university for it.

Most likely what happened: Chelsea played as fast and loose with the truth in this document as her mother, claiming that her mom was so instrumental in the process. She wrote a lot of things that will be easily discredited, and frankly, laughed at, if it were to become public.

If the thesis is made public, it makes it obvious that Chelsea lied in her senior thesis, which makes her look like a fraud, and providing the press with the first real Chelsea Clinton scandal (slightly hurting her future chances at elected office), and it makes Hillary look even more ridiculous, hurting her already sunk campaign.

So as a result, now they are playing games with the press about getting a copy. But sooner or later, it will come out. The question, will it come out soon, or will Hillary's failing campaign be over by then.

Nothing to see here, comrades, move along.

Relax Gwendolyn, he corrected himself in the next post. Don't make me get my gun and start practicing my third amendment rights.

In any case, I hope no one ever tries to read my 40+ page thesis on Wordsworth.

mdfitzsimmons: Relax Gwendolyn, he corrected himself in the next post. Don't make me get my gun and start practicing my third amendment rights.

In any case, I hope no one ever tries to read my 40+ page thesis on Wordsworth.

But, but someone is wrong on the internet!

EngineerAU

My undergrad has a copy of my history 101 paper on file - as well as a copy of every paper ever written for history 101 there.

I think that the reason starts with a P....

Come to think of it, it very likely is on file -- just not in the library.

The FERPA act would forbid the university from giving it out without express permission from Chelsea herself. And no, saying something at a press conference won't do it. I'm thinking a signed release.

Good luck with that, press.

laughs at your plagiarism
/obscure?

Remove all Republicans

this is ASSUMING she gives her mom cover in her paper

what if she doesn't.. thats even worse

mdfitzsimmons: Relax Gwendolyn, he corrected himself in the next post. Don't make me get my gun and start practicing my third amendment rights.

In any case, I hope no one ever tries to read my 40+ page thesis on Wordsworth.

You did a 40 page paper on one porn flick?

karasoth: Smellvin

Some one did a study (I forgot who and have been trying to find it... I suck at googling) on how Married women TEND to vote with their husbands the majority of the time. And single women almost half the time tend to vote in a way a male relative they trust does


Maybe men tend to vote as their wives do. Maybe male relatives tend to vote like one female in their family does.

:-)

Dododado

In addition the survey also asked the women why they voted the way they did. It said women in general don't pay attention to politics as much as men in general do. so they tend to focus on a person they trust who does. Most often a Father, Son, Brother, or Husband fills this role.

Gwendolyn: mdfitzsimmons: Relax Gwendolyn, he corrected himself in the next post. Don't make me get my gun and start practicing my third amendment rights.

In any case, I hope no one ever tries to read my 40+ page thesis on Wordsworth.

But, but someone is wrong on the internet!

Wrong on the internet? I choose to disbelieve.

karasoth: Dododado

In addition the survey also asked the women why they voted the way they did. It said women in general don't pay attention to politics as much as men in general do. so they tend to focus on a person they trust who does. Most often a Father, Son, Brother, or Husband fills this role.


well, there goes my theory. I better go get my hubby a beer.