legalize it.

theoretically it is possible.
mathematically, it is possible.
logistically it is impossible.

MorningBreath

mathematically, it is possible

Most new prisons lock the doors from the control room, so there would have to be at least one person NOT in prison.

But I guess you could always outsource that to the Chinese.

Marcus Aurelius: But I guess you could always outsource that to the Chinese.

Or put the button to unlock someone's cell door in some random prisoner's cell.

How about that for a Prisoner's Dilemma?

Last One Left: Marcus Aurelius: But I guess you could always outsource that to the Chinese.

Or put the button to unlock someone's cell door in some random prisoner's cell.

How about that for a Prisoner's Dilemma?

Sounds like a hot new reality show to me!

MorningBreath: logistically it is impossible.

Build a wall around the state? They've got federal funding for the south end of it....

it's time to start exiling people again.

so legalize pot already, and release anyone imprisoned only for possession of it (thats with or without intent to distribute)

Send 'em all to Australia. It's been done before ;)

How about we deport them? We all know 40% are illegals...

3rd strike you're out, we mean in, we mean out ....

build a wall around Death Valley, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then.

They could probably afford to house dangerous criminals if they legalized and taxed weed but this is America and admitting that what you've been doing for years is stupid is against the rules.

Freedom is a myth.

/hopefully not obscure

milk_plus: They could probably afford to house dangerous criminals if they legalized and taxed weed but this is America and admitting that what you've been doing for years is stupid is against the rules.

Prohibition taught them nothing. Even the idea of FREE MONEY does not entice them.

SpinStopper: Send 'em all to Australia. It's been done before ;)

Yeah... but it was Empty^TM then. Adding 37M people to the 20M already there would make for a bit of chaos.

I vote reality show.

So the more I fight in prison the more spacious a prison I get!

Schwarzenegger opposes a federally mandated population cap.

What happens when you hit the cap? Anything goes?

Weaver95: build a wall around Death Valley, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then.

Air drop Jack Daniels and PCP, clemency for the survivor. The Carlin proposal.

build a wall around Death ValleySacramento, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then

Death Valley's too pretty to waste on thugs. Let the legislators wallow in the filth their welfare state policies have created.

Well, if they did know how to do math, they wouldn't be in jail now would they?

So just focus your efforts on only incarcerating folks with brown skin. Problem solved.

Screw prisoners. They're there for a reason. Been to jail once. Have no plans to return. There's an old saying: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. More people should consider the consequences of their actions.

Pretty much the worst case scenario of passing "3 strikes your out" legislation has come true.

People promised it would be a deterrent and crime rates would drop and less people would be in jail. What it has done is fill the jail full of people for decades including people who shouldn't be in there for such a length of time.

Jail time really doesn't act as much a deterrent because many people who brake the law don't think they will get caught anyways or they just don't care.

I think it's dumb to think you can sentence through legislation for cases you have no knowledge about and hasn't even happened yet.

There was a reason our court system was originally set up for people to make decisions at ever step of the way about cases.

Daniels: Schwarzenegger opposes a federally mandated population cap.

What happens when you hit the cap? Anything goes?

Ever read the story "The Lottery"?

Build a wall around LA. A wall that only the most hardened, jaded WWIII vetran can "Escape" from.

The Governator knows what to do...

BobtheFascist: Screw prisoners. They're there for a reason. Been to jail once. Have no plans to return. There's an old saying: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. More people should consider the consequences of their actions.

And you don't mind if they raise your taxes to pay for it?

ultraholland: So just focus your efforts on only incarcerating folks with brown skin. Problem solved.

what? and let all those white hippies off the hook?

The judicial system is to blame. Allowing appeal after appeal for inmates takes time and resources. They just need to program all legal data into a computer and feed it all the information about a case. It will come back with a guilty/innocent verdict with no bias. Eventually when the computer builds an efficient database we can eliminate judges and lawyers and give punishment immediately.

Corvus: Pretty much the worst case scenario of passing "3 strikes your out" legislation has come true.

People promised it would be a deterrent and crime rates would drop and less people would be in jail. What it has done is fill the jail full of people for decades including people who shouldn't be in there for such a length of time.

Jail time really doesn't act as much a deterrent because many people who brake the law don't think they will get caught anyways or they just don't care.

I think it's dumb to think you can sentence through legislation for cases you have no knowledge about and hasn't even happened yet.

There was a reason our court system was originally set up for people to make decisions at ever step of the way about cases.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't California's 3 strikes law mandate that the first two offenses have to be violent or serious felonies? And that the third can be any felony?

Just because California's actually enforcing their laws and making people accountable for their actions doesn't mean the system's broken. My understanding is the crime rates, especially violent crime, has dropped a great deal since 3 strikes was enacted.

I think the solution is less criminals, not less enforcement.

Ron Paul Revere: Weaver95: build a wall around Death Valley, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then.

I've always thought putting them on a large parcel of farmable land and supplying them readily would work out much better, not only in terms of money saved, but teaching them how to live.

/still support the wall with guards around it

The best part of that idea is that the bigger the prison population, the less walling you need per prisoner. Walling needed = 2*Pi*r and the area enclosed is Pi*r^2. So since the area (each prisoner needs a certain amount of space) goes up by a power of two and the total wallage is a linear function, it gets more cost-efficient the bigger you make it.

Man A: How's that "Drug War" going
Man B: Hitting taxpayers in the balls
Man A: Why not legalize it and tax the hell out of it
Man B: But but our children
Man A: Maybe if you be a better PARENT your children would not do drugs
Man B: But that's the schools job
Man A: So the schools should teach your kids about drugs, sex, religion, eating healthy, staying in shape, and morals
Man B: Yes
Man A cock punches man B in the balls

Crazy Bacon Legs: I think the solution is less criminals, not less enforcement.

What does this mean? Make the law more permissive.

While I do not normally agree with Bob, he's right.

They made the choices that put them there, of their own free will.

If you get sentenced, do your time, paid in full, get out start over.

If you attck a guard, because your own stupidity put you in a place you do not like...then automatic death sentence.

you would weed the stupid hardasses out easily, crowding goes down, population goes down, expenses go down, win-win situation.

It's time to stop playing pattycake and puffyfooting around.

destrip: build a wall around Death ValleySacramento, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then

Death Valley's too pretty to waste on thugs. Let the legislators wallow in the filth their welfare state policies have created.

Now there we go. After living in the sac area for a number of years, I have easily come to the conclusion there is nothing worth saving there. We may have some trouble building this wall with all the rivers around there... but I'm sure that logistical problem can be overcome.

Just think of the jobs that could be created in a public-works project to build this wall!

/live in much more interesting parts of CA
//still think CA should just secede and become, what, the 11th largest GDP? We'd be much better off as our own nation, and the rest of the US may be happy to get rid of our brand of crazy

LittleSmitty: milk_plus: They could probably afford to house dangerous criminals if they legalized and taxed weed but this is America and admitting that what you've been doing for years is stupid is against the rules.

Prohibition taught them nothing. Even the idea of FREE MONEY does not entice them.

free money for the fed government doesnt entice politicians whod prefer the money to go directly into their pockets, which wont happen if they even suggest legalizing marijuana, because theyll never get re-elected.

The question isn't "Why are there so many people in prisons?"

it's "Why are there so many criminals?"

This gets stated every time this gets talked about.

Corvus - And you don't mind if they raise your taxes to pay for it?

Of all the ridiculous things they raise my taxes to pay for, prison is one of the things I'm willing to cover.

I'm curious to know how many of the prisoners are illegals. In that case I wonder if we could plant GPA chips in them, ship them back to wherever they came from. This is also yet another reason to secure the southern border, there are criminals who disappear back South for a while then return later on (often with different names/to different states, though sometimes not).

"The judicial system is to blame. Allowing appeal after appeal for inmates takes time and resources. They just need to program all legal data into a computer and feed it all the information about a case. It will come back with a guilty/innocent verdict with no bias. Eventually when the computer builds an efficient database we can eliminate judges and lawyers and give punishment immediately."

Thats the third stupidest thing I've ever read.

Solty Dog: The judicial system is to blame. Allowing appeal after appeal for inmates takes time and resources. They just need to program all legal data into a computer and feed it all the information about a case. It will come back with a guilty/innocent verdict with no bias. Eventually when the computer builds an efficient database we can eliminate judges and lawyers and give punishment immediately.

Yet more evidence that Max Headroom is slowly becoming reality, one episode at a time. We're over half way through the show already...

Marcus Aurelius: MorningBreath

mathematically, it is possible

Most new prisons lock the doors from the control room, so there would have to be at least one person NOT in prison.

But I guess you could always outsource that to the Chinese.

Outsource? They all live there already

Didn't think any copies of this were still around...

Solty Dog
The judicial system is to blame. Allowing appeal after appeal for inmates takes time and resources. They just need to program all legal data into a computer and feed it all the information about a case. It will come back with a guilty/innocent verdict with no bias. Eventually when the computer builds an efficient database we can eliminate judges and lawyers and give punishment immediately.

Kneel before HAL..

dipdunk - I'm curious to know how many of the prisoners are illegals.

Probably a good percentage. However, IIRC, illegals can not be held for more than a year. Many don't make it that long before they are released & deported. Then it's wash, rinse, repeat.

Solty Dog: The judicial system is to blame. Allowing appeal after appeal for inmates takes time and resources. They just need to program all legal data into a computer and feed it all the information about a case. It will come back with a guilty/innocent verdict with no bias. Eventually when the computer builds an efficient database we can eliminate judges and lawyers and give punishment immediately.


As much as I want say "NOT THIS" I think I am gonna go with "THIS"

Amateurs!

Heroin For Peace: destrip: build a wall around Death ValleySacramento, call it a prison and park the army around the perimeter. just air drop supplies in every now and then

Death Valley's too pretty to waste on thugs. Let the legislators wallow in the filth their welfare state policies have created.

Now there we go. After living in the sac area for a number of years, I have easily come to the conclusion there is nothing worth saving there. We may have some trouble building this wall with all the rivers around there... but I'm sure that logistical problem can be overcome.


You are sooo right. The whole central valley just needs to be flooded. That is similar to a wall, right?