From TFA: The total was more than the couple previously had reported in Senate and campaign disclosures.

Wow.

Why am I not surprised.

This could be pretty serious - she is pissing off so many in the party, this might be the ethics violation that sticks - she could end up being censured by the Senate.

bronyaur1: This could be pretty serious - she is pissing off so many in the party, this might be the ethics violation that sticks - she could end up being censured by the Senate.

So far I haven't seen anything particularly illegal, SLEAZY yes, but not illegal as of yet.

GaryPDX: So far I haven't seen anything particularly illegal, SLEAZY yes, but not illegal as of yet.

Agreed - even this would just be a (serious) violation of Senate ethics rules. But it would be politically embarrassing - well, it would be, if it were actually possible to embarrass a Clinton.

submitter: Did Hillary lie to the Senate about how much income she and Bill earned?

Duh.

The Senate has ethics rules?

T-Servo: The Senate has ethics rules?

Yeah, but it's kind of like saying McDonald's has nutritional guidelines.

Nabb1: T-Servo: The Senate has ethics rules?

Yeah, but it's kind of like saying McDonald's has nutritional guidelines.

Hillary lies? NEVER

The Clintons ONLY lie if it absolutely, positively, utterly convenient.

From Andrew Sullivan in 1998, writing on Bill Clinton:

"From the beginning, Clinton has lied with indiscriminate abandon. He has lied about genocide and he has lied about his golf scores. Every label he has attached to himself, every public position he has taken, has smacked of opportunism, not conviction, self-interested deceit, not public-interested candor. Very little of it can be taken at face value. He claims to be a feminist, and yet treats the women around him as fools, tokens, or sexual objects. He claimed to be a social liberal, and yet he signed the Defense of Marriage Act and boasted about it on Christian talk radio.... He claimed he wanted to end welfare as we know it and to balance the budget, and yet he failed to do either until forced to on Republican terms. Like a VISA card, he is everywhere you want him to be, which is to say nowhere reliable, nowhere dependable, and nowhere in the slightest bit honest.
"And, more important, he has never taken responsibility for any of this. In Clinton's moral universe, the truth is whatever he can get away with, and a lie is always somebody else's fault. He therefore hardly struggles with the truth, because, where there is no responsibility, there can be no struggle. He can analogize the Bosnian conflict as another Holocaust, take a poll to see whether he should intervene, stand be while tens of thousands of civilians are murdered, and then take credit for world peace when he sends American soldiers to police the aggressor's gains. He can publicly weep for people with AIDS, and empathize with homosexuals, and then sign a bill that would have thrown every HIV-positive person out of the military and almost double the rate of gay discharges from the service. He can advocate women's rights, and then expose himself to a stranger, and molest a distraught staffer in the Oval Office. And then he can go to gay fund-raisers, and NOW rallies, and Bosnia itself, and pretend that he is still a crusader for morality, civil rights, and peace, all the while corrupting anyone who comes into contact with him along the way."

My mind is made up. Unless Hillary concocts a super-serum than cures all bad things, the die is cast.

No bad news will make me less apt to support her, no good news (short of said super-serum) will incline me to punch her chad (giggity).

It's over, Hill...you've accumulated so much negative MoJo that your cause (whatever it was), is lost to me...

GObama!
08bama!
etc....

GaryPDX: So far I haven't seen anything particularly illegal, SLEAZY yes, but not illegal as of yet.

Unfortunately that seems to sum up the Clintons quite well. I really try not to let Bill's actions/opinions/behaviors influence my opinions of Hillary, but this seems to be a shared characteristic.

The Clintons, it appears, are avatars of everything wrong with the political process.

I fail to understand how they weren't politically sunk long before Bill became POTUS. Usually you'd expect this kind of behaviour to be moderated by all the other people behaving the same way and looking to sink a competitor.

no wonder women love her so much

she's taking lying to some next-level that they've been practicing for since at least the `50s

A Clinton lie? Why that would be as impossible as a Bush starting an illegal war. As impossible as a Cheney getting drunk and trying to kill a man. As impossible as a Rumsfeld ordering illegal torture of prisoners all over Iraq and other places in the world.

Nah, a Clinton lie IS impossible, isn't it?

Philbb: I really try not to let Bill's actions/opinions/behaviors influence my opinions of Hillary, but this seems to be a shared characteristic.

Funny...I'm trying really hard not to let Hillary's actions /opinions/behaviors influence my opinion of Bill...

But they do...they do

GaryPDX: So far I haven't seen anything particularly illegal, SLEAZY yes, but not illegal as of yet.

Actually, if you look at the Senate Financial Disclosure instructions, she could face some penalties, both financial and criminal:

VIII. Failure to File or Falsifying Reports
Knowing or willful falsification of information,
or failure to file or report information required
to be reported by section 102 of the Act may
subject you to a civil penalty of not more than
$11,000 and to disciplinary action by the
Select Committee on Ethics and/or any other
appropriate authority under section 104 of the
Act. Knowing and willful falsification of
information required to be reported by section
102 of the Act may also subject you to criminal
prosecution and sentencing under 18 U.S.C.
1001 and 18 U.S.C. 3571.

From here: Link (new window) (page 2)

Hillary Clinton ran for Senate in a state she cared nothing for; it was simply liberal enough to like her and had an empty seat. The only reason she ran for Senate was to keep her name in politics for her upcoming Presidential run. This was obvious at the time, but is a gigantic "fark You" to New Yorkers.

She swept in, carpetbagged the state, and then ran cackling off to her Presidential bid. And people voted for her, knowing full well this was her plan all along. She used them shamelessly, and turned the position of NYS Senator into a footnote, a stepping stone, in her political career. I'm sorry, I thought the job of Senator was important enough to do in its own right. I didn't realize it was the farm team for the Presidency.

Screw her.

Something_else: Actually, if you look at the Senate Financial Disclosure instructions, she could face some penalties, both financial and criminal:

A Clinton face criminal charges? That's unpossible!

dervish16108: A Clinton face criminal charges? That's unpossible!

No, they face them all the time. They just never actually pay any penalties.

Something_else: GaryPDX: So far I haven't seen anything particularly illegal, SLEAZY yes, but not illegal as of yet.

Actually, if you look at the Senate Financial Disclosure instructions, she could face some penalties, both financial and criminal:

VIII. Failure to File or Falsifying Reports
Knowing or willful falsification of information,
or failure to file or report information required
to be reported by section 102 of the Act may
subject you to a civil penalty of not more than
$11,000 and to disciplinary action by the
Select Committee on Ethics and/or any other
appropriate authority under section 104 of the
Act. Knowing and willful falsification of
information required to be reported by section
102 of the Act may also subject you to criminal
prosecution and sentencing under 18 U.S.C.
1001 and 18 U.S.C. 3571.

From here: Link (new window) (page 2)

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!
she was distracted by sniper fire!
she mis-spoke!
she forgot to cross an I and dot a T!
she moved a comma back and to the left!
LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!

I went to an Obama rally today and I have to say that after actually seeing the man and shaking his hand, there is no way in hell I could support Hillary. The man oozes trust like sunshine. Hillary comes off as death wrapped in lies.

t3knomanser: dervish16108: A Clinton face criminal charges? That's unpossible!

No, they face them all the time. They just never actually pay any penalties.

Very few of our 'leaders' face any consequences for their illegal actions. And the few that do tend to get off lightly. The exceptions being a couple of CEO types who ended up being more of a political asset sitting in a jail cell than on a campaign donor list.

business as usual.

wowzer97pooh: Why that would be as impossible as a Bush starting an illegal war. As impossible as a Cheney getting drunk and trying to kill a man. As impossible as a Rumsfeld ordering illegal torture of prisoners all over Iraq and other places in the world.

Illegal war? You can debate the merits I suppose, but illegal? What law was broken?

Trying to kill a man? Trying? Really? He was "trying"?

Rumsfeld ordering illegal torture? I don't know, but I'll concede the possibility of R ordering. But again, the illegal thing, what laws are being broken? And torture? What counts and what doesn't?



Stirring up trouble I'm sure....

/ducking.

A lot of people have been going for the death wrapped in lies thing for a lot of years!

I am just glad people are realizing what corrupt people the Clintons are.

t3knomanser: Screw her.

Insert Howaboutno bear here >

The big problem with the passage I quoted above is that it requires the action to be "knowing and willful."

First, that's going to be hard to prove. I'm sure she'll just say that she mis-wrote.

Second, she probably didn't fill out the forms at all. Most of the House and Senate financial disclosure forms are filled out by accountants or various financial institutions. She could easily blame them and avoid culpability.

Something_else: Second, she probably didn't fill out the forms at all. Most of the House and Senate financial disclosure forms are filled out by accountants or various financial institutions. She could easily blame them and avoid culpability.

That could stop criminal action, but that doesn't mean the Senate Ethics Committee can't put her under investigation.

Um, how much did she report to the Senate? Was it even far off?

Obama has been credited with foreseeing a troublesome war in Iraq primarily due to a speech he gave in 2002 while he was a state senator, where he spoke out against the war. Clinton said, "I started criticizing the war in Iraq before he did. So, I'm well aware that his entire campaign is premised on a speech he gave in 2002 and I give him credit for making that speech. But that was not a decision."

This is a repulsive, self-serving puto who does not view a lie as a moral dilemma, even if she gets caught. Or rather, like sniper fire and hospital rejections, I should say 'even when' she gets caught.

She's got less credibility than John Kerry at this point. Please, let's all treat her like Britney; just walk away looking downward and shaking your head. Don't encourage her by addressing her directly.

SharkUW: Um, how much did she report to the Senate? Was it even far off?

Here's a copy of the report she filed in 2007. Feel free to add the numbers. I'm too busy drinking.

Link (new window)

Amazing how many Dems are finally seeing the Clintons for the liars they have always been.

wowzer97pooh: A Clinton lie? Why that would be as impossible as a Bush starting an illegal war. As impossible as a Cheney getting drunk and trying to kill a man. As impossible as a Rumsfeld ordering illegal torture of prisoners all over Iraq and other places in the world.

Nah, a Clinton lie IS impossible, isn't it?

Did we just witness the first "B-b-b-but Bush..." ?

wowzer97pooh: A Clinton lie? Why that would be as impossible as a Bush starting an illegal war. As impossible as a Cheney getting drunk and trying to kill a man. As impossible as a Rumsfeld ordering illegal torture of prisoners all over Iraq and other places in the world.

"B-B-B-But Bush!"
"B-B-B-But Cheney!"
"B-B-B-But Rumsfeld!"

Wow. Never saw a "B-B-B-But" trifecta before.

at least her preacher isn't a racist, amirite

FTFA: "The Clintons have now made public 30 years of tax returns, a record matched by few people in public service," said Jay Carson, a spokesman for Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign, referring to returns the couple made when Bill Clinton first ran for president in 1992, and during his time in the White House. "None of Hillary Clinton's presidential opponents have revealed anything close to this amount of personal financial information."

Dude, none of Hillary's opponents were married to the president then elected themselves to public office for the past 30 years. I take it Jay Carson isn't the sharpest tool in the shed eh? If she's so open and honest why is she just now releasing her info after Barack's has been on his website for an eternity at this point? Farking Skank.

muck4doo: Amazing how many Dems are finally seeing the Clintons for the liars they have always been.

This whole thing is so sad. I used to kinda sorta feel sorry for Hillary, and I was all stoked on getting to choose between two good candidates for the Democratic party. Hell, even McCain was one of my only "not so horrific" Republican choices. Now I actually like and trust John McCain more than Hillary Clinton. Not that I would sleep well at night if I voted for him... but still.

/Help me O-ba-ma, you are my only hope

I just don't get it.

How can anyone not see Obama as the American Dream? How old do you have to be to fark it up? My God... he could re-define everything... For the GOOD.
Someone that could actually make a difference in my generation... yep, heard it on Fark.

Link (new window)GObama
08bama...
elc....
WTF>>>? When did America forget?

Something_else: Actually, if you look at the Senate Financial Disclosure instructions, she could face some penalties, both financial and criminal:
and then
The big problem with the passage I quoted above is that it requires the action to be "knowing and willful."

bronyaur1:Agreed - even this would just be a (serious) violation of Senate ethics rules. But it would be politically embarrassing - well, it would be, if it were actually possible to embarrass a Clinton.

Sort of. Link (new window)
FTL: "Sen. Clinton's disclosure forms displayed a similar vagueness regarding Bill Clinton's earnings from Gupta's InfoUSA. The forms listed "non-employee compensation, over $1,000" - however, the tax material released by the Clinton campaign on Friday showed that InfoUSA paid the ex-President $400,000 last year alone."
Here, after all, is her actual Senate disclosure form. (PDF) (new window)
She was intentionally vague. Going down to page 6, you'll see the over 1k, instead of exact amounts. And since that PDF obviously gives the "over 1k" as an option, why not use it? this isn't even new information, given that in 2007 it was known that his income was above what was thereBottom of Page 1 (new window)
They quite easily wrote down 4 pages of income totally well over $10M. Yawn.

As much as you want to bash her people - honestly, is it really that hard to get accurate information?

And if you want perspective - here is Libby Dole's Disclosure (new window)
O noes! They also used the "over 1k" line items.

The Horror... The Horror...

muck4doo: Amazing how many Dems are finally seeing the Clintons for the liars they have always been.

How long do you think it will be before "many" Repubs will see GWB for the lying, Constitution-shredding, war-(based on BS)-mongering opponent of human rights and proponent of torture and violations of international treaties that the US not only signed but also took leadership in writing and promoting? um...that he has always been?

How long, muck? Or is that small potatoes compared to Clinton's Bosnian sniper BS?

How long?

Will you be "amazed," muck? will you be "AMAZED?"

Dooh...

http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/youtube.pl?IDLink=3435514

justanothersumguy: I just don't get it.

How can anyone not see Obama as the American Dream? How old do you have to be to fark it up? My God... he could re-define everything... For the GOOD.
Someone that could actually make a difference in my generation... yep, heard it on Fark.

Link (new window)GObama
08bama...
elc....
WTF>>>? When did America forget?

Go to bed. Try again tomorrow.

i can't wait for the election to be over

t3knomanser: Hillary Clinton ran for Senate in a state she cared nothing for; it was simply liberal enough to like her and had an empty seat. The only reason she ran for Senate was to keep her name in politics for her upcoming Presidential run. This was obvious at the time, but is a gigantic "fark You" to New Yorkers.

She swept in, carpetbagged the state, and then ran cackling off to her Presidential bid. And people voted for her, knowing full well this was her plan all along. She used them shamelessly, and turned the position of NYS Senator into a footnote, a stepping stone, in her political career. I'm sorry, I thought the job of Senator was important enough to do in its own right. I didn't realize it was the farm team for the Presidency.

Screw her.

People voted for her, because the guy the Republicans put forth after Guiliani dropped out, Rick Lazio, was even more of a dud. It was the epitome of Turd Sandwich/Giant Douche.