Proving her Republican street cred once again.

2wolves: Proving her Republican street cred once again.

Haha. Exactly.

And yet, her supporters continue to maintain she can fix the economy?

What do we want? Kool-aide!
When do we want it? Now!

Hmmmm. Wasn't there a president that had a budget surplus once?

The name escapes me.

/Dumbass.

HansensDisease: Hmmmm. Wasn't there a president that had a budget surplus once?

The name escapes me.

/Dumbass.

...And my father's a postal worker. Would you like me to deliver your mail for you?

HansensDisease: Hmmmm. Wasn't there a president that had a budget surplus once?

The name escapes me.

/Dumbass.

I don't think he's on the ballot this time around, Sparky. I mean, I have Tang in my cupboard, but that doesn't make me a farking astronaut.

Nabb1: I don't think he's on the ballot this time around, Sparky. I mean, I have Tang in my cupboard, but that doesn't make me a farking astronaut.

Your's was funnier :0(

CalvinMorallis: ...And my father's a postal worker. Would you like me to deliver your mail for you?

The point is that the joke would have been pretty good if her husband had been known for running up big deficits instead of...you know, not.

CalvinMorallis: And yet, her supporters continue to maintain she can fix the economy?

What do we want? Kool-aide!
When do we want it? Now!

Oh she'd make a small segment of the beltway insider crowd VERY rich indeed. The rest of us? yeah. we're farked.

0Icky0: CalvinMorallis: ...And my father's a postal worker. Would you like me to deliver your mail for you?

The point is that the joke would have been pretty good if her husband had been known for running up big deficits instead of...you know, not.

I keep forgetting when we are supposed to think Hillary had a very small role in Bill's presidency and when we are supposed to she was an integral part of it. I wish her campaign would give us some sort of cheat sheet. She must have had to dodge a lot of sniper fire to help Bill sign that budget plan Congress sent over. Did she hold his pen while he signed it?

Nabb1: Did she hold his pen while he signed it?

Oh, wait, that was Monica's job. Never mind; I answered my own question.

Nabb1: keep forgetting when we are supposed to think Hillary had a very small role in Bill's presidency and when we are supposed to she was an integral part of it

You and me both, pal.

Oh, and,

Nabb1: Did she hold his pen while he signed it?

Giggity.

submitter: Clinton campaign running a budget deficit, as if she's already been elected

This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the black man, she explains.

Yeah, it really is like she's already president.

She's running a worse truth deficit.

Diogenes: She's running a worse truth deficit.

Didn't you listen? That woman dodged SNIPER FIRE IN BOSNIA! No, no - don't pay any attention to the youtubes, because the tubes are part of the vast right wing conspiracy. It's clearly all about healthcare and Obama being too black to get elected. For the children! Terrorists! Iraq! GEORGE BUSH! She's a WOMAN! A woman for cryin' out loud!

get it now?

Nabb1: I keep forgetting when we are supposed to think Hillary had a very small role in Bill's presidency and when we are supposed to she was an integral part of it.

No. For this joke we weren't supposed to think deeply at all. It just would have been better if you could associate the Clinton name with deficits. It doesn't have to make any sense beyond that.

Weaver95: Diogenes: She's running a worse truth deficit.

Didn't you listen? That woman dodged SNIPER FIRE IN BOSNIA! No, no - don't pay any attention to the youtubes, because the tubes are part of the vast right wing conspiracy. It's clearly all about healthcare and Obama being too black to get elected. For the children! Terrorists! Iraq! GEORGE BUSH! She's a WOMAN! A woman for cryin' out loud!

get it now?

You do her schizophrenia brilliantly, my friend!

Other than being blinded by her biological plumbing or being afraid of her or her husband, why on EARTH would anyone think that this shiathead could be even an average President? She has run a campaign that would make Thomas Dewey cringe.

Ready on day 1!

Running an efficient campaign does NOT qualify Barry to be President. (that is the obvious implication of subby's headline).

RandomExcess: Running an efficient campaign does NOT qualify Barry to be President. (that is the obvious implication of subby's headline).

Seems to me you're doing the insinuation here.

RandomExcess: Running an efficient campaign does NOT qualify Barry to be President. (that is the obvious implication of subby's headline).

Running a great campaign might not help qualify you, but running a terrible one should help disqualify you.

DamnYankees: RandomExcess: Running an efficient campaign does NOT qualify Barry to be President. (that is the obvious implication of subby's headline).

Running a great campaign might not help qualify you, but running a terrible one should help disqualify you.

THIS is why it's a good idea to refresh before posting.

/Hillary hasn't convinced me that she's qualified to keep the job that she has, much less the one that she's campaigning for.

FTA: Rep. Jason W. Bartlett, co-chairman of the Clinton campaign in Connecticut, said a two-month backlog in paying its bills was not unusual for a campaign.

"I'm fairly confident they will be paid," Bartlett said.

Collections agency. Now.

I'd like to share a little bit of reporting on this point. The caller referred to Bear Stearns and Wall Street. And when you talk to some of the Wall Street supporters of Barack Obama they say that last summer when he was first coming to them, one of their big questions was 'How the heck are you gonna run the economy, you have no executive experience?'
And his answer was interesting. What he said then and it was before the campaign was 'I am going to use my campaign and the way I run it as a way to demonstrate to you and to the country what kind of a manager I am.'

Chrystia Freeland Financial News ^{(^)}

DamnYankees: RandomExcess: Running an efficient campaign does NOT qualify Barry to be President. (that is the obvious implication of subby's headline).

Running a great campaign might not help qualify you, but running a terrible one should help disqualify you.

Exactly. The quality of a candidates campaign is a good indicator of how said candidate will govern.

Remove all Republicans: I'm glad to see we have a candidate willing to do anything, including running into a budget deficit, to get into the White House. We have Gore and Kerry who basically sat back and accepted the Republican attacks, and I fear Obama will be more of the same. We need a candidate who will respond in kind to the Republican attack machine.

Considering she already went hard negative and is failing vs Obama, how do you expect her to beat McCain?

Remove all Republicans: So, nobody has anything to say about McCain and his "life insurance policy for his campaign" disaster? I guess it only applies to women.

Now that we know the depth of your thinking, I have just one question. So, are you an old earth creationist or an IDer?

HansensDisease: Hmmmm. Wasn't there a president that had a budget surplus once?

Not in my lifetime. There was one that said he had a budget surplus, but he was lying.

//Man... what was that liar's name?

Remove all Republicans: So, nobody has anything to say about McCain and his "life insurance policy for his campaign" disaster? I guess it only applies to women.

McCain's campaign has surprised the hell out of me, to be honest. I was one of the people who really thought he was Lieberman-in-2004 level of dead. I really don't want him to be president, but the way he salvaged his campaign has been impressive, to say the least. I don't know how much of it was due to that shake up a while back, or the relative weakness of his opponents though.

But in the race between Obama and Clinton it's pretty easy to say who has run the better campaign. Obama has gone from being dozens of points behind everywhere at the start, to being the front runner without the name recognition that Clinton (or McCain for that matter) have. He's not only managed to close that gap, but become the front runner, and received a record number of donations and support. Clinton squandered her initial lead in recognition, support, and money due to hubris.

Remove all Republicans: I'm glad to see we have a candidate willing to do anything, including running into a budget deficit, to get into the White House. We have Gore and Kerry who basically sat back and accepted the Republican attacks, and I fear Obama will be more of the same. We need a candidate who will respond in kind to the Republican attack machine.

What by crying?

Barack Obama: 'I am going to use my campaign and the way I run it as a way to demonstrate to you and to the country what kind of a manager I am.'

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The republicans ran a great campaign last presidential election and they obviously suck at running the economy. Having an organized campaign does not even guarantee an organized administration. I can't even remember the last time someone referred to an administration as a 'well oiled machine.'

/Props on the dodging the question
//Props on getting people to actually believe that
///Go Kool-Aid!

Remove all Republicans: sit around and try to make friends across the aisle like Obama is obsessed with.

It seems to me Hillary shares more 'across the aisle' ideas with Republicans. You know, starting endless wars, pork barrel spending, neoliberal trade policy...

Cbrusky: That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The republicans ran a great campaign last presidential election and they obviously suck at running the economy.

Don't be silly. They ran it exactly like they wanted to. They were very effective at accomplishing what their plan dictated. That it was different than their stated goal? Psh, Republicans, what do you expect? "We're the party of small government!"

Remove all Republicans: I'd venture that few Republicans want to even be in the same room with her, which should tell you something.

...she has poor people skills?

Remove all Republicans: Ok, so Hillary's campaign being in a similar situation as McCain's makes her unqualified but because McCain brought himself in a disaster so early on, that's all ok. I'm just trying to figure where the logic is with everyone. It just seems like hatred of Hillary and this is just an excuse as to why.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Take a look at how she has run her campaign, and how President Bush has run his administration. Loyalty and devotion seem to be more valued than competency and pragmatism. As well as a tendency to go very negative and engage in distasteful politics.

I don't think she's unqualified to be president, far from it. I hate her as a person with a passion, but policy wise I agree with her quite a bit. She is an incredibly smart and hard working person, but embodies all the negative images people think of when they hear the word "career politician." Based on how she has run her campaign, however, I worry that her governing style would be very similar to Bush's.

I really don't want McCain to be president, but like I said, bringing his campaign from the verge of death is impressive. That's not making him "ok" as you said, but I was just acknowledging something. I don't need to like someone to admit they've done well.

Shaggy_C: ...she has poor people skills?



"I have people skills! I'm a people person! I talk to the lobbyists so the constituents don't have to!"

Remove all Republicans: I'd venture that few Republicans want to even be in the same room with her, which should tell you something.

I read that as "I'd venture that a few Republicans want to be in the same room with her," and then I vomitted all over the monitor.

HansensDisease

No there wasnt a President who had a Budget Surplus. Clinton PROJECTED one loudly and heartily but between the bursting of the tech bubble and Congress drinking up its milkshake there never actually was one. We were back into deficit spending before Bill left office and its only gotten worse since W ran on tax cuts and so was forced to put a 2 front war on the credit card.

Digitalstrange: HansensDisease

No there wasnt a President who had a Budget Surplus. Clinton PROJECTED one loudly and heartily but between the bursting of the tech bubble and Congress drinking up its milkshake there never actually was one. We were back into deficit spending before Bill left office and its only gotten worse since W ran on tax cuts and so was forced to put a 2 front war on the credit card.

Come on, dude. That's like saying that there really isn't a deficit--it just says so on paper.

Shaggy_C: They were very effective at accomplishing what their plan dictated...

You mean that accomplishing goals in the election has nothing to do with the economy? No way! Anyways, thanks for making my point.

/Something about fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....omg hope and rhetoric, I will follow you to the end lord-bama.

Cbrusky: Barack Obama: 'I am going to use my campaign and the way I run it as a way to demonstrate to you and to the country what kind of a manager I am.'

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The republicans ran a great campaign last presidential election and they obviously suck at running the economy. Having an organized campaign does not even guarantee an organized administration. I can't even remember the last time someone referred to an administration as a 'well oiled machine.'

The Republicans started with massive money and infrastructure in place, Obama did not. His campaign was built from the ground up. It's one things to take the reigns of a behemoth and keep it going in the same direction, it's another to start on a pony and end up successfully competing with said behemoth.

Not to say that you don't have a point, but regardless, what Obama and company have done with the campaign is truly impressive.

And also:

Link (new window)

Particularly the following:

When Vice President Gore and I took office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, and it was projected this year the budget deficit would be $455 billion." Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

Sure sounds like a surplus to me...

I hate the biatch but I don't really think Clinton has ran that bad of a campaign. Obama isn't switching a whole lot of voters across the retarded belt of America. He's motivating the young voters, but the baby boomers are still what wins an election.

If she carries Pennsylvania by double digits (>9 points), I'd go ahead and prepare for the worst as far as Indiana, South Carolina and Kentucky. And at that point, I think she has a good chance at carrying the popular vote... even without Florida.

The Democrats are going to be in a huge farking mess at that point. The DNC made a huge mistake saying they would seat Florida and Michigan, because neither party has a snowballs chance in hell at coming to an agreement. So now they have opened the door for Hillary to use that argument. The DNC is going to regret not nailing her at the cross the moment she changed her tune about Florida and Michigan. The first day she opened her mouth, Dean should of come out and asked why she kept her mouth closed the first 9 months before the election and now, after she wins, she turns into a Martyr? There is no way to reconcile how unacceptable her behavior was, but a lot of baby boomer voters have no idea about it, because the DNC has been trying to sweep it under the rug so they don't "disenfranchise the voters"... As if they have a possibility of losing Michigan or winning Florida...

I'm tell you right now, I've followed politics closely for a good eight years, this biatch is not going to go quietly into the night. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if she split the Democratic party, screaming about Florida and Michigan and ran independent in this election.

TFA: For Clinton, it's not a matter of being broke, though she trails Obama in fundraising.

Her campaign closed February with $33 million in the bank, with debts of $8.7 million.

Actually, it is a matter of being broke. Something like $22 million of that campaign money can only be used for the general election, not the primary she owes $8.7 million on.

$33 million total - $22 million untouchable - $8.7 million debt to others - $5 million debt to herself = Ba-roke! And allegedly most of her aging white feminist base has already maxed out their contributions. She's going to have to tap Bill's $51 million piggy bank of laundered Chinese kickbacks again. I'm sorry - 'speaking fees'.

Neurochemist: If she carries Pennsylvania by double digits (>9 points)

Thanks for that definition of double digits. I was confused for a while. :)

Thanks for that definition of double digits. I was confused for a while. :)

:-) .. They should of gagged and bagged her when she pulled that shiat in Florida and Michigan. The DNC should of came out and publicly humiliated her. Instead they request Obama not to use it against, hoping it wouldn't come down to that.. they swept it under the rug... they were sooooo scared of disenfranchise the voters, when in reality, any voter with a ounce of common sense would understand what is going on..... They told Obama not to push the point and he let it die...

They Democrats better start preparing for a war....

TheFoy: I'm not saying it's not impressive, but it still has little to do with running the economy of the behemoth America. The economy needs someone who has at least some experience...

Cbrusky
TheFoy: I'm not saying it's not impressive, but it still has little to do with running the economy of the behemoth America. The economy needs someone who has at least some experience...


And how exactly does Hillary's experience as a Wal-Mart lawyer help?

Cbrusky: You mean that accomplishing goals in the election has nothing to do with the economy? No way! Anyways, thanks for making my point.

The cynical side of me says the actual goal of the current administration was to create an economic climate that absolutely favored the wealthy at the expense of stability for everyone else. They were very successful in implementing this goal. In much the same way their campaign in 2004 was equally effective - the 'well-oiled machine' performed exactly the same way to get Bush elected as it did once he was in office. You give too much credit to our elected officials; in order for Bush to be a 'failure' on the economy, he would have had to actually intend for a different outcome.