In before "Oktober Surprize"

Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Nice war, jackass.

Hmmmm. . .I don't think Iran is going to topple, or at least capitulate, as easily as Iraq, and the aftermath could be worst, especially with so many of our soldiers already tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dear Jesus:

Please let these crazy old assholes not wreck the world.

Thx,

JJ

Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Well yes. Mostly since they wrote about it in 1997 in a document called Rebuilding America's Defenses. The PNAC wrote that America needs to control Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They said that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get that process started. By absolute and total co-incidence they got just that on 9/11/01. They will be going for Iran next. The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

I thought Bush JR avenged his daddy when Saddam was executed.

Even McCain's 100 year policy cannot possibly end 2000 years of hatred. Why not let them continue to kill themselves so we our grandchildren don't have to pay for it?

by "themselves," I meant "each other."

BearToy: The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

See the boobies.

BearToy: Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Well yes. Mostly since they wrote about it in 1997 in a document called Rebuilding America's Defenses. The PNAC wrote that America needs to control Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They said that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get that process started. By absolute and total co-incidence they got just that on 9/11/01. They will be going for Iran next. The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

You forgot the JOOOOOOOS

Nothing will stop this madness. Lets just get it overwith! Let the survivors figure it all out and start the cycle all over again.

BearToy: Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Well yes. Mostly since they wrote about it in 1997 in a document called Rebuilding America's Defenses. The PNAC wrote that America needs to control Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They said that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get that process started. By absolute and total co-incidence they got just that on 9/11/01. They will be going for Iran next. The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

Or Reichstag fire....

Elvis Christ: BearToy: Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Well yes. Mostly since they wrote about it in 1997 in a document called Rebuilding America's Defenses. The PNAC wrote that America needs to control Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They said that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get that process started. By absolute and total co-incidence they got just that on 9/11/01. They will be going for Iran next. The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

You forgot the JOOOOOOOS

Might as well while we are in the neighborhood.

Iran needs to be left alone. They may be better armed, but they are far less of a threat to US interests than Iraq ever was (Obviously, Iraq was never a significant threat).

Krymore: I did address the original issue (and I think herring is delicious). You can't have a good neo-con conspiracy without the Jews! Ask any Truther, they'll agree with me.

Elvis Christ: Krymore: I did address the original issue (and I think herring is delicious). You can't have a good neo-con conspiracy without the Jews! Ask any Truther, they'll agree with me.

No, you most certainly didn't. He quoted physical documents, and claimed nothing that isn't explicitly stated in those documents. You, on the other hand, are deliberately attempting to derail the thread by making liberal use of these with absolutely no argument.

Krymore: Elvis Christ: Krymore: I did address the original issue (and I think herring is delicious). You can't have a good neo-con conspiracy without the Jews! Ask any Truther, they'll agree with me.

No, you most certainly didn't. He quoted physical documents, and claimed nothing that isn't explicitly stated in those documents. You, on the other hand, are deliberately attempting to derail the thread by making liberal use of these with absolutely no argument.

Where are these physical documents, and who wrote them?

If you say Ferris Bueller, you lose a testicle.

You're the one trying to derail the thread with your delicious pictures. And a Hitler picture. Godwin, anyone?

lrn2logic

He is right. The question is, how do we handle it?

There is no right answer. What a lovely shiat sammich. Let's all have a bite. Mmmmmmm, turdriffic.

Elvis Christ: Where are these physical documents, and who wrote them?

Are you serious? Can you not read? The guy you first quoted gave the source in his post. "Rebuilding America's Defenses", written in 1997 by the Project for the New American Century. Are you going to attempt to claim this doesn't exist now?



You're the one trying to derail the thread with your delicious pictures. And a Hitler picture. Godwin, anyone?

1. They're not my pictures, credit goes to idsfa.
2. That was not a Godwin. If you'd read either the image itself, or Godwin's Law, you'd know why.

lrn2logic

You have yet to make an argument in any of your posts in this thread. You've done nothing but post logical fallacies, (each of which has been explained) with the intent to derail the thread, and ask a single question(Where are these physical documents, and who wrote them?) which was already answered by the person you originally quoted.

Krymore: Elvis Christ: Where are these physical documents, and who wrote them?

Are you serious? Can you not read? The guy you first quoted gave the source in his post. "Rebuilding America's Defenses", written in 1997 by the Project for the New American Century. Are you going to attempt to claim this doesn't exist now?

I went to the PNAC website and searched for 'New Pearl Harbor'. Didn't find anything. Yet another liberal conspiracy.


1. They're not my pictures, credit goes to idsfa.


I like seafood, so that's my fault


2. That was not a Godwin. If you'd read either the image itself, or Godwin's Law, you'd know why.

A picture of Hitler isn't a Godwin? OK.


You have yet to make an argument in any of your posts in this thread. You've done nothing but post logical fallacies, (each of which has been explained) with the intent to derail the thread, and ask a single question(Where are these physical documents, and who wrote them?) which was already answered by the person you originally quoted.

No. Someone who I won't name listed a huge manifesto of absurd liberal lies. No, Republicans aren't to blame for all the world's woes. No, The USA isn't the Great Satan. No, President Reagan isn't the Devil. People have different opinions than fark.com. I know it's pretty surprising to you.

Guys, his name is Elvis Christ. All those carefully crafted arguments are falling on deaf ears.

Such a pointless war. Iran is changing within, they are not a threat to anyone any more then the US is. Democracy and womens rights, so much of what a developing country becomes is happening in Iran, though slowly. An invasion will not help things.

Jeepers, I found the whole quote!

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions."

Gee, suddenly the whole bullshiat "A NEW PEARL HARBOR OMG AMERICA IS FASCIST" is put in a whole new light.

So all our bombs are set up at this base that are belong to us?

Elvis Christ: No. Someone who I won't name listed a huge manifesto of absurd liberal lies.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Drakkenmaw: Elvis Christ: No. Someone who I won't name listed a huge manifesto of absurd liberal lies.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

I swear to God I'm sick! I can't go to school.

Elvis Christ: BearToy: Obvious. It has been Iran for a long time now.

Well yes. Mostly since they wrote about it in 1997 in a document called Rebuilding America's Defenses. The PNAC wrote that America needs to control Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They said that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get that process started. By absolute and total co-incidence they got just that on 9/11/01. They will be going for Iran next. The only thing in question is if they think they need another New Pearl Harbor in order to let them do it.

You forgot the JOOOOOOOS

What does that have to do with anything?

Elvis Christ: I went to the PNAC website and searched for 'New Pearl Harbor'. Didn't find anything. Yet another liberal conspiracy.

Rebuilding America's Defenses (PNAC Report) - pops a PDF. See Section V.

A picture of Hitler isn't a Godwin? OK.

Who cares? Whether it was or not is completely irrelevant, to either of your arguments, so why bother arguing about it?

No. Someone who I won't name listed a huge manifesto of absurd liberal lies. No, Republicans aren't to blame for all the world's woes. No, The USA isn't the Great Satan. No, President Reagan isn't the Devil. People have different opinions than fark.com. I know it's pretty surprising to you.

No one in this thread made any of those claims, or anything even remotely similar. The guy you originally called a truther might be, but what he posted is relevant to the topic at hand and is factual.

Haha, I read that Rebuilding America's Defenses report like 6 years ago. And this guy's never heard of it and thought it didn't exist? Elvis Christ, you're an embarrassment.

We are headed there. This is why Obama cannot be President. We need McCain to give the orders to put Iran on the road to compliance, it's really that simple.

We don't have time for a hippie love fest right now. I love how so many of you forget we are at war and things are going to heat up. Neither Obama nor Hillary are willing to take the helm in a state of war.

Elvis Christ: Gee, suddenly the whole bullshiat "A NEW PEARL HARBOR OMG AMERICA IS FASCIST" is put in a whole new light.

Let me give you a homework assignment. Look up these gems:

Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, United Fruit Company (new window)

Ngo Dinh Diem (new window)

Augusto Pinochet (new window)

Shah of Iran (new window)

See a pattern? You can love your country and still acknowledge the facts.

StopArrestingMe:, you're an embarrassment. can't read

skookum: We are headed there. This is why Obama cannot be President. We need McCain to give the orders to put Iran on the road to compliance, it's really that simple.

We don't have time for a hippie love fest right now. I love how so many of you forget we are at war and things are going to heat up. Neither Obama nor Hillary are willing to take the helm in a state of war.

Ohhhh, it is skookum!!! Well, the collective IQ just dropped by half.

NewportBarGuy: Elvis Christ: Gee, suddenly the whole bullshiat "A NEW PEARL HARBOR OMG AMERICA IS FASCIST" is put in a whole new light.

Let me give you a homework assignment. Look up these gems:

Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, United Fruit Company (new window)

Ngo Dinh Diem (new window)

Augusto Pinochet (new window)

Shah of Iran (new window)

See a pattern? You can love your country and still acknowledge the facts.

I'm well aware of them. What does that have to do with a conspiracy to kill Americans on 9/11? Do you believe the Bush family conspired to kill Americans?

Elvis Christ: I swear to God I'm sick! I can't go to school.

I think delusional is the better word. I just saw your profile and that pretty much explained it.. You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped into that "my team vs. theirs" mentality that you no longer have the ability to view any discussion without twisting it into some kind of fight between liberals and conservatives.

rustik: Elvis Christ: I swear to God I'm sick! I can't go to school.

I think delusional is the better word. I just saw your profile and that pretty much explained it.. You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped into that "my team vs. theirs" mentality that you no longer have the ability to view any discussion without twisting it into some kind of fight between liberals and conservatives.

You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped that you don't have principles besides what makes your peepee feel good! You no longer have the ability to view any discussions without twisting it into some kind of fight between your peepee and a job.

Bush put us in a position where we were forced to choose sides in a millenium-old religious grudge match. Now the side we didn't ally with is trying to undermine us and he's getting pissy about it. This will most definitely NOT end well. If Congress values their own lives, they'll either stop him or die in what will become the nuclear war he starts.

I say we all lash a boat-city together and get as far as we can away from any continents while this blows up/over. First we'll need to find an aircraft carrier and an oil tanker to form the core of the fleet. Who's with me?

Elvis Christ: Go away. Your button pushing and trolling are not wanted here.

Elvis Christ: Do you believe the Bush family conspired to kill Americans?

No, I think they are so farking inbred they have trouble distinguishing up from down and left from right.

What does that have to do with 9/11? Everything. Nothing. You interpret it.

Elvis Christ: rustik: Elvis Christ: I swear to God I'm sick! I can't go to school.

I think delusional is the better word. I just saw your profile and that pretty much explained it.. You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped into that "my team vs. theirs" mentality that you no longer have the ability to view any discussion without twisting it into some kind of fight between liberals and conservatives.

You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped that you don't have principles besides what makes your peepee feel good! You no longer have the ability to view any discussions without twisting it into some kind of fight between your peepee and a job.

Dude, you are the righty. Principles don't apply to you.

You guys are scaring me. Normally I ignore the 'oh no, we're going to surprise attack Iran' threads. But two determined trolls already working this discussion is making me nervous.

/late night paranoia on my part, I guess

And I thought that it was hyperbole when it was said that it will take a video of Bush eating a human baby to get him impeached.

NewportBarGuy: Elvis Christ: Gee, suddenly the whole bullshiat "A NEW PEARL HARBOR OMG AMERICA IS FASCIST" is put in a whole new light.

Let me give you a homework assignment. Look up these gems:

Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, United Fruit Company (new window)

Ngo Dinh Diem (new window)

Augusto Pinochet (new window)

Shah of Iran (new window)

See a pattern? You can love your country and still acknowledge the facts.

You have to have actual evidence of something before you can conclude that this is relevant to THIS incident. The U.S. has done LOADS of things good and bad, you can't cherry pick the bad and then make it appear inevitable that that is the general theme.

That style of argumentation is basically the core of all Alex Jones movies. "Bahh, the U.S. government once did a simulation involving an airplane hitting the Pentagon. Additionally, a crazy ass member of the Joint Chiefs submitted a proposal to fake a plane hijacking to start a war with Cuba. OBVIOUSLY this means the government was behind 9/11." At it's base it is attributing the policies of individual administrations to the big bad "GOVERNMENT" as if it were some kind of coordinated and historically consistent body.

Charles Manson killed a lot of people, but it's completely asinine to conclude from that that he is responsible for the death of Lacy Peterson, or that since you suspect that he killed Lacy Peterson based on these past incidents that he is now plotting to kill your next door neighbor. That's the kind of sense these conspiracy theories make under real critical analysis.

NewportBarGuy: Elvis Christ: Do you believe the Bush family conspired to kill Americans?

No, I think they are so farking inbred they have trouble distinguishing up from down and left from right.

What does that have to do with 9/11? Everything. Nothing. You interpret it.

I only entered this thread to point out that some idiot is a conspiracy theorist about the PNAC controlling the US government. Then I get attacked. Tolerant liberals MY ASS

rustik: Elvis Christ: I swear to God I'm sick! I can't go to school.

I think delusional is the better word. I just saw your profile and that pretty much explained it.. You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped into that "my team vs. theirs" mentality that you no longer have the ability to view any discussion without twisting it into some kind of fight between liberals and conservatives.

Also read EC's profile. This should summarize what's wrong with his position:



/special thanks to idsfa
//also, I said "position"

Elvis Christ: You're one of those tools whos brain is so warped that you don't have principles besides what makes your peepee feel good! You no longer have the ability to view any discussions without twisting it into some kind of fight between your peepee and a job.

That's some pretty sad trolling.. Come on, you can do better than that.

/I know you are, but what am I?
//obligatory

SemperLieSuckah: NewportBarGuy: Elvis Christ: Gee, suddenly the whole bullshiat "A NEW PEARL HARBOR OMG AMERICA IS FASCIST" is put in a whole new light.

Let me give you a homework assignment. Look up these gems:

Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, United Fruit Company (new window)

Ngo Dinh Diem (new window)

Augusto Pinochet (new window)

Shah of Iran (new window)

See a pattern? You can love your country and still acknowledge the facts.

You have to have actual evidence of something before you can conclude that this is relevant to THIS incident. The U.S. has done LOADS of things good and bad, you can't cherry pick the bad and then make it appear inevitable that that is the general theme.

That style of argumentation is basically the core of all Alex Jones movies. "Bahh, the U.S. government once did a simulation involving an airplane hitting the Pentagon. Additionally, a crazy ass member of the Joint Chiefs submitted a proposal to fake a plane hijacking to start a war with Cuba. OBVIOUSLY this means the government was behind 9/11." At it's base it is attributing the policies of individual administrations to the big bad "GOVERNMENT" as if it were some kind of coordinated and historically consistent body.

Charles Manson killed a lot of people, but it's completely asinine to conclude from that that he is responsible for the death of Lacy Peterson, or that since you suspect that he killed Lacy Peterson based on these past incidents that he is now plotting to kill your next door neighbor. That's the kind of sense these conspiracy theories make under real critical analysis.

Are you kidding? Look at what he was responding to. Do you agree with that guy? If so, carry on. If not, dial it down.

King Something:
/special thanks to idsfa

Where can I find a list of those images (aside from sprinkled throughout Fark politics threads)? I'd like to add them to my archive.

Sabyen91: Well, the collective IQ just dropped by half.

I'm simply pointing out that Iran is an inevitability. You can blame me, the messenger all you want, it won't change destinty.

Neither Democratic candidate is qualified to be President at this time, I'm sorry. I'm not that excited about McCain myself, but I know that he can be relied upon to pass the torch until another candidate can be fashioned in time for 2012. Why I'm explaining this to you, I'm not sure.

King Something: Huh huh, Beavis and Butthead, your idols