Great song.

/ get off my lawn

Even though as an old fart I am probably supposed to hate these guys I have always really really really liked them, Zack's intensity especially and their anti-authoritarian attitude.

Dunno, I just like 'em.

Meh.

I don't like to be preached to by people who look like they haven't showered in days, maybe weeks.


But that's just my preference. Feel free to rock on, dude, if RATM is your cup of tea.

Ah nice to see I'm not completely old yet - that song makes me want to grab a hammer and attack passing cars.

My band still covers this song. Folks still dig it.

My guess is fifteen years. (looks at Wikipedia). Sixteen years, not bad.

I no longer wonder if 90's music was, in fact, worse than 80's music. Ratm proves it.

Mega_Doof: ...anti-authoritarian attitude.

right on. i know that when i think of anti-authoritarian attitude, i definitely think of signing with the revolutionary people's alliance at sony, donating a track to the shocking political documentary 'godzilla,' opening for DIY punk stalwarts U2 and commodifying the image of che guevara.

i've always loved the rich irony of thousands of white suburbanite dickbags yelling "fark you, i won't do what you tell me" in unison. you've been sold just as much as fans of britney and her ilk. don't kid yourself.

xkillyourfacex: I no longer wonder if 90 80's music was, in fact, worse than 80 90's music. Ratm Ratt proves it.

FTFY

/nothing wrong with Rage
//just something wrong with people that feel the strongest of urges to berate something they were never forced to acknowledge to begin with

lostsatellite:you've been sold just as much as fans of britney and her ilk. don't kid yourself.

I still like it.

I don't give a crap what they preached about... I just dig the music. Perhaps one of the few bands where 'incendiary' really fits the music.

And anyway they've never made a dime off me via concerts or merch and I've never bought or even P2P downloaded anything by them, so there ya go.

Mega_Doof
lostsatellite:you've been sold just as much as fans of britney and her ilk. don't kid yourself.

I still like it.

I still like it as well. I listened to a few tracks just the other day...and it still holds up. Sheeeeeeeet, I would put this album on a top 100 album list.

When I heard they were reuniting last year, I spent the $300 on a ticket and drove 1,300 miles to see them.

Absolutely worth it. Best show I've ever seen and one of the best times of my life.

INDSIDE OUT > Rage

Patroclus: INDSIDE OUT > Rage

SP!

Inside Out, I meant.

xkillyourfacex: I no longer wonder if 90's music was, in fact, worse than 80's music. Ratm proves it.

even if the 90s had like 3 good years of (mainstream) music (91 - 94), I'd still take it over the 80s or even 00s.

60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

HappyHarryHardOn

60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

I'm going to make a point of staying on your lawn so I can disagree with you.

FeedTheCollapse: xkillyourfacex: I no longer wonder if 90's music was, in fact, worse than 80's music. Ratm proves it.

even if the 90s had like 3 good years of (mainstream) music (91 - 94), I'd still take it over the 80s or even 00s.

Every decade has good music, you just have to look for it. And the best few years of the 90s weren't '91-'94. They were '94-'97.

danduran: FeedTheCollapse: xkillyourfacex: I no longer wonder if 90's music was, in fact, worse than 80's music. Ratm proves it.

even if the 90s had like 3 good years of (mainstream) music (91 - 94), I'd still take it over the 80s or even 00s.

Every decade has good music, you just have to look for it. And the best few years of the 90s weren't '91-'94. They were '94-'97.

After 10 or 20 years pass, you forget the chaff and remember the wheat. There was plenty of garbage music at any time in music history. For every $SomeoneYouLike there's a hundred @SomeoneYouHate.

The best advice i can give on the matter is to learn to appreciate as much music (art/entertainment) as you can. What's the advantage of not enjoying something? If you don't like @movie/band/painting, it's your loss. Or at least, don't waste time thinking about things you don't like. Also, learn the difference between a fact and an opinion. Your life will be much less stressful.

danduran: Every decade has good music, you just have to look for it. And the best few years of the 90s weren't '91-'94. They were '94-'97.
what, when all the grunge bands imploded and we were left with all the posers (who were, granted, tolerable by say today's standards.) and a long stream of forgettable one hit wonders? Once Spice Girls, Hanson, and Puff Daddy all made it big around 97, that was the end of the stream of good music.


and I wasn't saying there isn't any good music either now or in the 80s. I was referring more to mainstream music. I would certainly take the mainstream music in 91 - 94 over pretty much the entirety of the 80s and 00s mainstream music.

If you're concerned about which decade produced the best mainstream, major label, corporate music, then you're an idiot.

HappyHarryHardOn: 60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

0000's music > 1000's music

Love their music. Hate their politics.

i saw them at Blossom Amphitheatre outside Cleveland, with Wutang. It was the only concert i've been too where moshing was not a choice but rather a necessity to stay alive.

/always thought Zak de la Rocha would play a decent Marley if they make that movie, even though the music style is obviously different.

HappyHarryHardOn: 60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

Led Zeppelin > 60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

Siamese Bream: HappyHarryHardOn

60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music

I'm going to make a point of staying on your lawn so I can disagree with you.

Crewmannumber6: Love their music. Hate their politics.

This. Sorta. I dig the music, but can't stand De La Rocha's repetitive lyrics.


lostsatellite: Mega_Doof: ...anti-authoritarian attitude.

right on. i know that when i think of anti-authoritarian attitude, i definitely think of signing with the revolutionary people's alliance at sony, donating a track to the shocking political documentary 'godzilla,' opening for DIY punk stalwarts U2 and commodifying the image of che guevara.


And very much this. shiat, U2 gets more respect from me since Bono actually DOES shiat, while de la Rocha just biatches about it.

Tom Morello has a fairly good point on the whole idea of "sellouts" and the fact that they are on a huge label...

"When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart."

/don't completely agree with him
//at least he has some justification and owns up to the irony

RevMercutio: This. Sorta. I dig the music, but can't stand De La Rocha's repetitive lyrics.

weird, i think ratm and especially morello are beyond horrible, yet i like delarocha.

Patroclus: If you're concerned about which decade produced the best mainstream, major label, corporate music, then you're an idiot.

THIS. although most of the people in here who are doing that have no idea youre talking about them.

Give Rage some credit. They make great tunes and over the last 15 years they've gotten millions of frat boys to think outside of their box if even for a short while. That has to count for something.

Greatest drop in alt metal ever

I knew they jumped the shark when I saw two middle-aged executives discussing how their kids loved RATM's music.

Completely full of suck.

lostsatellite: Mega_Doof: ...anti-authoritarian attitude.

right on. i know that when i think of anti-authoritarian attitude, i definitely think of signing with the revolutionary people's alliance at sony, donating a track to the shocking political documentary 'godzilla,' opening for DIY punk stalwarts U2 and commodifying the image of che guevara.

i've always loved the rich irony of thousands of white suburbanite dickbags yelling "fark you, i won't do what you tell me" in unison. you've been sold just as much as fans of britney and her ilk. don't kid yourself.

Irony? Jesus christ dude, lighten up, it's just music. You know, made to ENTERTAIN. If someone likes a song for a different reason than you believe they should like it (or not) doesn't make them any more of a dickbag than you are.

/Your high horse, get off it.