...looking into whether Hagen was dismissed after a rumor reached Goodling that Hagen is lesbian.

As one Republican source put it, "To some people, that's even worse than being a Democrat."



Disproves.

Yeah, teh gheys are always going on and on about equal rights and protections and so forth. These have no place in the DOJ.

Takes it right in the asinine?

That's gayer than a bowl full of dicks.

/nttawwt

If the allegations are true, this will be a HUGE issue for the administration. If the USAG is firing people because of a rumor that someone is gay, you're talking serious civil suits and possible criminal convictions for the former higher-ups.

Personally, I hope that it does turn out to be the case. There would be far more cross party support to indict for discrimiantion than because the fired attorneys were Democrats.

I summon...myself...wait, can I do that?

Dude seriously WTF: f the USAG is firing people because of a rumor that someone is gay, you're talking serious civil suits and possible criminal convictions for the former higher-ups.

That depends, is sexual orientation a protected class in government employment? It sure as hell isn't for the military..

what_now: That depends, is sexual orientation a protected class in government employment?

AFIK, it is not.

what_now: That depends, is sexual orientation a protected class in government employment? It sure as hell isn't for the military..

Military- no. Federal government-Yes. Even if they get around the issue by claiming they are political appointees, the perpecptions of discrimination will sink them. Besides, the initial article indictes it was because of rumors alone and no indications of innapropriate behavior.

Also disapproves, but does so using secret hand and foot signals

Duh. You can't be pushing for gay marriage bans when you've got a bunch of gay lawyers working for you now, can you?

SushiJoe: I summon...myself...wait, can I do that?

Well if not, I'll do it for you.

I summon...SUSHI JOE!!!

Oh, and in related news:

BobtheFascist: Duh. You can't be pushing for gay marriage bans when you've got a bunch of gay lawyers working for you now, can you?

Ask the Log Cabin Republicans.

Dude seriously WTF: what_now: That depends, is sexual orientation a protected class in government employment? It sure as hell isn't for the military..

Military- no. Federal government-Yes

You sure about that? You have any links?

Dude seriously WTF: If the allegations are true, this will be a HUGE issue for the administration. If the USAG is firing people because of a rumor that someone is gay, you're talking serious civil suits and possible criminal convictions for the former higher-ups.


You have the memory of a goldfish, don't you? This administration manufactured shoddy intelligence to take the nation to war, authorized torture, and illegally spied on citizens without warrants and nothing happened. But yeah, I'm sure THIS is the one that gets them.

What the Bush Administration has done to the Department of Justice should make any patriotic American nauseous.

This is what hyper-partisanship wrought.

Enough.

Dude seriously WTF: Even if they get around the issue by claiming they are political appointees, the perpecptions of discrimination will sink them.

Sink them with whom?

The Republicans tried to get a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage passed.

Everyone knows Republicans endorse discrimination against gays. If you supported them before this, you'll continue to support them after this.

Dude seriously WTF: If the allegations are true, this will be a HUGE issue for the administration. If the USAG is firing people because of a rumor that someone is gay, you're talking serious civil suits and possible criminal convictions for the former higher-ups.

Personally, I hope that it does turn out to be the case. There would be far more cross party support to indict for discrimiantion than because the fired attorneys were Democrats.

this. The government doesn't protect people who violate their laws- so whoever fired them is up for PERSONAL civil suits, in addition to the government getting sued.

As awful as this whole situation is, I do not think that homosexuality is a protected class under Title VII. I think that if the government did fire the attorney due to sexual orientation, it is deplorable.

But Title VII covers only the following, to my understanding:
race
color
religion
sex
national origin

Surly_Duff: As awful as this whole situation is, I do not think that homosexuality is a protected class under Title VII. I think that if the government did fire the attorney due to sexual orientation, it is deplorable.

But Title VII covers only the following, to my understanding:
race
color
religion
sex
national origin

Title VII does not apply to the federal government.

Heh. I went looking around at the attorney job openings over at usdoj.gov, and their hiring policy as stated on some of their listings is:

Department Policies: The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, color, race, religion, national origin, politics, marital status, disability, age, status as a parent, membership or nonmembership in an employee organization, or personal favoritism. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice

which certainly explains some things.

Dude seriously WTF: If the allegations are true, this will be a HUGE issue for the administration. If the USAG is firing people because of a rumor that someone is gay, you're talking serious civil suits and possible criminal convictions for the former higher-ups.

Personally, I hope that it does turn out to be the case. There would be far more cross party support to indict for discrimiantion than because the fired attorneys were Democrats.

Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of 50 other things this bad or worse being reported on then ignored. This president does exactly as he pleases. I'll be surprised if he steps down at the end of his presidency.

Yeah, but this is a lady being gay, which Republicans are generally more okay with than the buttsecks variety of gay.

Dude seriously WTF: Personally, I hope that it does turn out to be the case. There would be far more cross party support to indict for discrimiantion than because the fired attorneys were Democrats.

Say what now? The national Republican party is well-known for being rabidly anti-gay, and advertize the fact that they're pushing the bigot agenda to the bigot demographic (which is fairly sizable) in every election cycle. The fact that Republican operatives fired people for being gay reveals nothing new -- many Republicans are bigots OMG! next thing you'll tell me is Democrats want to raise taxes! Inconceivable!

Even non-bigoted Republicans generally aquisece in pushing the bigot agenda -- when 70% of your party's base thinks being gay should be illegal, even if you disagree, it's easier to remain quiet, lest you go down in flames in a primary challenge. Should this story pan out, there will be no particular political consequences.

Locke3k: Yeah, but this is a lady being gay, which Republicans are generally more okay with than the buttsecks variety of gay.



and



ask: O RLY?

Locke3k: Yeah, but this is a lady being gay, which Republicans are generally more okay with than the buttsecks variety of gay.

Of course, you're right, but there is no rule that says lesbians can't have buttsecks.

SusanIvanova: but there is no rule that says lesbians can't have buttsecks.

i'm not sure if that's hot or not. i'll need video documentation to render my judgment.

what_now: That depends, is sexual orientation a protected class in government employment? It sure as hell isn't for the military..

Maybe not, but the military is a special case. Firing someone based on mere rumor, however, is bullshiat any way you cut it.

No surprise. For this administration ideology, religion, loyalty and proper sexual orientation are all WAY more important then whether or not a person can do their job.

And "their job" is to work on behalf of YOU, American citizen.

And if McCain is elected, most of these people, for whom actual ability is of 4th, 5th, or 6th importance, will keep their job.

burndtdan: i'm not sure if that's hot or not. i'll need video documentation to render my judgment.

Dude, this is the internet. All the video documentation you could ever possibly need is one Google search away.

burndtdan: SusanIvanova: but there is no rule that says lesbians can't have buttsecks.

i'm not sure if that's hot or not. i'll need video documentation to render my judgment.

I'd like to save you the trouble and tell you it might just be the hottest thing you'll EVER FRIGGIN SEE... but only a google video search (safe search off) will allow you to judge for yourself.

/teach a man to fish...

Approves.

I suspect Goodling may be an expert on pixies.

Nestea Plunge [TotalFark] 2008-04-04 01:33:48 PM

I came here to post that picture...now I have to come up with something else....

For those of you seeking clarification on the legalities of this:

Executive Order 13087 (new window) does apply to most Federal Employees

I am counting down the days until 1/20/09...

Yes, another pathetic swipe at Bush, another miss. There really wasn't any real "opposition" to this administration at all, was there? Despite the threats, the gnashing of teeth howling for Bush's head on a platter? Where is it?

Could it be that no charge, no indiscretion, no "act" has ever been pinned on George Bush? No "smoking gun." Pathetic.

McCain's going to win this election and things will return to normal, and you so-called "progressives" have lost again. It's such a satisfying prediction, I really can't tell you.

It's a sad moment when you realize phrases like "all men are created equal" or "with liberty and justice for all" are, for a disturbingly large number of Americans, hollow words with absolutely no meaning behind them.

skookum: McCain's going to win this election and things will return to normal

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

The Why Not Guy: It's a sad moment when you realize phrases like "all men are created equal" or "with liberty and justice for all" are, for a disturbingly large number of Americans, hollow words with absolutely no meaning behind them.

Go back to Berkeley you terrorist sympathizer.

SushiJoe: I summon...myself...wait, can I do that?

Not with children watching.

The Why Not Guy: It's a sad moment when you realize phrases like "all men are created equal" or "with liberty and justice for all" are, for a disturbingly large number of Americans, hollow words with absolutely no meaning behind them.
This x 1000

Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

/it's easier to prove the mens rea of stupid

themindiswatching:

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

You are mistaken. For the uninformed, the CIA is now currently involved in operations in Western Pakistan. Bush is going to deliver Al-Qaeda to McCain for the Election. But, your snide hipster epithet aside, if Kim Jong does not relinquish his office to a democratically-elected contingency in the next five years rest assured there will be further discussion along that line.

skookum: themindiswatching:

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

You are mistaken. For the uninformed, the CIA is now currently involved in operations in Western Pakistan. Bush is going to deliver Al-Qaeda to McCain for the Election. But, your snide hipster epithet aside, if Kim Jong does not relinquish his office to a democratically-elected contingency in the next five years rest assured there will be further discussion along that line.

Wow. I just read your profile. Either you are channelling the paranoia and grandiosity of Dick Cheney or you are seriously unhinged. Do yourselves and your neighbors a favor and disarm yourself before the voices in your head get louder.

Let's face it, the dems are so afraid of looking like the special prosecutor crazed republicans of the 90's that Bush and the rest of his slimy administration will never be called on any of their bull crap.

The inspector general is investigating a rumor, according to anonymous sources. Wow, some story.

Yes, it's always amusing to see how the truth "unhinges" people like yourself.

Still, whether you want it or not, in the next few years, there will be a President McCain, airstrikes against targets in the Middle East, a tightening of domestic security policies and finally a needed backing away from the global warming nonsense. I'm not the one who needs to stop listening to the "voices in my head."

BritneysSpeculum: Wow. I just read your profile. Either you are channelling the paranoia and grandiosity of Dick Cheney or you are seriously unhinged. Do yourselves and your neighbors a favor and disarm yourself before the voices in your head get louder.

go put skookum + navajo into google

skookum: themindiswatching:

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

You are mistaken. For the uninformed, the CIA is now currently involved in operations in Western Pakistan. Bush is going to deliver Al-Qaeda to McCain for the Election. But, your snide hipster epithet aside, if Kim Jong does not relinquish his office to a democratically-elected contingency in the next five years rest assured there will be further discussion along that line.

so only hipsters read Orwell nowadays?

that's a shame, because he's a damn fine author

skookum: Yes, it's always amusing to see how the truth "unhinges" people like yourself.

Still, whether you want it or not, in the next few years, there will be a President McCain, airstrikes against targets in the Middle East, a tightening of domestic security policies and finally a needed backing away from the global warming nonsense. I'm not the one who needs to stop listening to the "voices in my head."

Will he be President McCain of skookumland? It strikes those of us still in the real world that this is shaping up to a veeery democratic-favorable election, what with the recession that will be in full flower by the third quarter and the fact that 83% of Americans now believe that the country is going in the wrong direction. Do you really think that McCain won't be painted as McBush and that that won't stick? If so you are more unhinged than I gave you credit for. You seem to think that the magical October surprise will be bin Laden's head on a pike delivered by Bush right before the election, but that totem ain't gonna cut it this year. The citizens will rightly be outraged that Bush is yet again playing politics with foreign policy and McCain would suffer from the blowback.

Better get ready for President Obama. Of course, that could be the trigger that truly pushes you over the edge, but then again, that was inevitable so not that much is lost.

History shall not be kind to this administration.