The answer is obvious. We should tax them because they have what I don't, and they have it purely by chance. Give it to the less fortunate since they clearly do not have the same luck as those who make 250k or more. This is why we need to elect O'bama, because he is from this state.

You know who else paid taxes in Illinois?



Love,
JayAndSilentBob

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
--Benjamin Franklin

What idiot wouldn't vote for such a thing ?

Reactron: What idiot wouldn't vote for such a thing ?

that's what makes it so asinine: politicians catering to and indulging our base human desires--this time, the "gimme-gimme-gimme" gene. we elect them to be responsible stewards of our government, and this is irresponsible

Reactron: What idiot wouldn't vote for such a thing ?

Every idiot would. That's the problem with it.

Reactron: What idiot wouldn't vote for such a thing ?

I wouldn't vote for it.

Why would people strive to earn more money if you are just going to take it away from them?

Give people INCENTIVES to earn more and work harder, not PENALTIES for doing so.

I hereby declare open season on the poor. No bag limits. No field tagging. No license or fees.

The sportsmanship derived from this year's hunt comes from the quantity. Spot them, identify them as poor, shoot them, take the left ear, repeat.

Prizes for the most confirmed kills include a Taco Bell gift certificate for first place, and a $5 gas card for second place winners. There will also be a trophy for the funniest video.

Please, always practice safe hunting techniques.

Happy hunting!

hahahahahahahahaha ha

"Let's take from the rich and give to the poor," said state Rep. Joseph Lyons, a Chicago Democrat.

Isn't that the basis of the Democratic Party?

And then they'll see a lot of those rich guys move out of state. Nice going, guys! Drive the money elsewhere!

Lovely, more people going over the river and coming here only to complain about how what they have here isn't anything like what they had back in Illinois - save for a governor who loves taxing them for being wealthy...

El Chode: The answer is obvious. We should tax them because they have what I don't, and they have it purely by chance.

Well, some of them really DO have a lot of money purely by chance. I wonder if there's a way we can just tax people who got their huge fortunes via inheritance. We could call it the Paris Hilton Tax.

"And there goes your tax base...right over the STATE line."

When rich people use money to influence politics to lower their taxes, shift tax burdens, and make it harder for small businesses with high barriers to entry, and lower regulatory standards, it's free speech.

When not-so-right people use the voting booth to do the opposite, it's class warfare, socialism, and mob rule.

The solution to all problems is to simply put to vote popular measures. Popular in the sense that we can gets a majority of people to vote for them. Next up: "Do you want a pony?"

El Chode: The answer is obvious. We should tax them because they have what I don't, and they have it purely by chance.

Good thing we have someone looking out for us, and you were able to get in here so fast to post, nice work! If you're ever on fire I would piss on you.

Let's all have a pity party for the people making more money than 95% of Americans. *snort*

If you're making that kind of money, you owe the country that gave so much to you.

This is an excellent idea, a *small* change back to a sane tax policy.

Clever Neologism:
When not-so-right rich people

Freudian slip strikes again.

This is exactly why pure democracy mob rule was eschewed by the people that founded this country.

1954 Income level Tax rate
(adjusted for inflation)

up to $15,000.00 20%
$15,000.01 - $31,000.00 22%
$31,000.01 - $46,000.00 26%
$46,000.01 - $61,000.00 30%
$61,000.01 - $77,000.00 34%
$77,000.01 - $92,000.00 38%
$92,000.01 - $108,000.00 43%
$108,000.01 - $123,000.00 47%
$123,000.01 - $139,000.00 50%
$139,000.01 - $154,000.00 53%
$154,000.01 - $170,000.00 56%
$170,000.01 - $200,000.00 59%
$200,000.01 - $247,000.00 62%
$247,000.01 - $293,000.00 65%
$293,000.01 - $340,000.00 69%
$340,000.01 - $385,000.00 72%
$385,000.01 - $462,000.00 75%
$462,000.01 - $540,000.00 78%
$540,000.01 - $617,000.00 81%
$617,000.01 - $694,000.00 84%
$694,000.01 - $771,000.00 87%
$771,000.01 - $1,156,000.00 89%
$1,156,000.01 - $ 1,541,000.00 90%
$1,541,000.01 or more 91%

Lake County, IN is salivating at the idea.

fuzzwell: Give people INCENTIVES to earn more and work harder, not PENALTIES for doing so.

Yeah! I was going to take home $.69 for every marginal dollar earned, and now it will only be $.66, so FARK that, I'll just stay home instead of putting more of the earnings back into my business where they can be tax sheltered!

That will show them!

I don't understand what the fuss is about. If the economy is so great, there must be a majority of wealthy people to vote this measure down. You just have to motivate these rich people to get to the polls.

The measure is good with the exception about "tax breaks for everyone else." Every damned one of one of us is undertaxed, especially once you factor in the war.

Yeah, I'm aware that the Illinois legislature isn't funding the war.



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Well, some of them really DO have a lot of money purely by chance. I wonder if there's a way we can just tax people who got their huge fortunes via inheritance. We could call it the Paris Hilton Tax.

I'm sorry to have to tell you to get off the Internet. Some of us grownups have work to do.

fuzzwell:
Why would people strive to earn more money if you are just going to take it away from them?


Because they're not dumbasses who can't do math.

Think about it: 94% of $250k ($235k) is still way more than 97% of even $70k.($67.9k).

If you are too much of a moron to figure that you'd rather make (after state taxes) $235k than $67.9k, then you probably don't have the brains to make that kind of money in the first place.

ahwahoo2006:"Let's take from the rich and give to the poor," said state Rep. Joseph Lyons, a Chicago Democrat.

I assumed you made up that quote, but, nope, right there in the article.

Watch the wealthy and the business owners flee Illinois in record numbers leaving the state looking like Detroit. Watch Obama move the hell out of there as well, or cheat the tax system.

Rev. Skarekroe:
Well, some of them really DO have a lot of money purely by chance. I wonder if there's a way we can just tax people who got their huge fortunes via inheritance. We could call it the Paris Hilton Tax.

This is called the inheritance tax. Republicans hate this too.

DarnoKonrad: Let's all have a pity party for the people making more money than 95% of Americans. *snort*

If you're making that kind of money, you owe the country that gave so much to you.

Gave? So I guess nobody who makes $250,000 worked hard to get there, they were just lucky to be the first in line when government was handing out the cushy future jobs.

This is a petty cash-grab, and I say that as someone who doesn't come anywhere near the $250,000 threshold.

Rev. Skarekroe: El Chode: The answer is obvious. We should tax them because they have what I don't, and they have it purely by chance.

Well, some of them really DO have a lot of money purely by chance. I wonder if there's a way we can just tax people who got their huge fortunes via inheritance. We could call it the Paris Hilton Tax.

You mean "THE DEATH TAX"? How could you tax someone for dying? You're a monster! DIAF!

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
--Benjamin Franklin

You know for some reason I cannot find that quote in actual lists of things Ben Franklin said. Can you tell me when it was said/published?

Black_Flame

you probably don't have the brains to make that kind of money in the first place

Yeah, that's basically one of the best tricks the right-leaning noise machine has mastered over the last few decades, fooling the middle class into believing that they are the upper class.

Too bad they can't limit the additional tax to lawyers, corporate CEOs, mortgage brokers, and real estate agents.

Answer me this Randroids: What, exactly, does rich guy cawk taste like anyway?

theigorway Too bad they can't limit the additional tax to lawyers, corporate CEOs, mortgage brokers, and real estate agents

As an attorney who works for legal aid and makes very little compared to my colleagues, I shall ask you to reconsider the sweeping nature of that statement.

And I don't know many rich real estate agents, either.

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: You know for some reason I cannot find that quote in actual lists of things Ben Franklin said. Can you tell me when it was said/published?

It's one of those quotes that's probably been misattributed to him. It's still a good quote, though.

Where is the hero tag for this guy? It is an excellent plan. When the wealthy and corporations use the government to their advantage and screw everyone else it is "how the system works" or some other BS.

Newsflash, "class warfare" is alive and well in this country. It is just always the rich attacking the poor. It is about time people started fighting back.

The gap between the rich and poor is the single biggest problem in the country today.

DarnoKonrad: 1954 Income level Tax rate
(adjusted for inflation)

up to $15,000.00 20%
$15,000.01 - $31,000.00 22%
$31,000.01 - $46,000.00 26%
$46,000.01 - $61,000.00 30%
$61,000.01 - $77,000.00 34%
$77,000.01 - $92,000.00 38%
$92,000.01 - $108,000.00 43%
$108,000.01 - $123,000.00 47%
$123,000.01 - $139,000.00 50%
$139,000.01 - $154,000.00 53%
$154,000.01 - $170,000.00 56%
$170,000.01 - $200,000.00 59%
$200,000.01 - $247,000.00 62%
$247,000.01 - $293,000.00 65%
$293,000.01 - $340,000.00 69%
$340,000.01 - $385,000.00 72%
$385,000.01 - $462,000.00 75%
$462,000.01 - $540,000.00 78%
$540,000.01 - $617,000.00 81%
$617,000.01 - $694,000.00 84%
$694,000.01 - $771,000.00 87%
$771,000.01 - $1,156,000.00 89%
$1,156,000.01 - $ 1,541,000.00 90%
$1,541,000.01 or more 91%

Which is why JFK slashed the rates. You think you're smarter than JFK?

This is what happens when the CEO of Countrywide pays himself $10 million on the way out the door while people are getting foreclosed on. This is what happens when the CEO of Exxon pays himself $400 million for doubling the retail price of gasoline in four years. This is what happens when the crooks at Enron still do not understand that what they did to their employees was wrong. This is what happens when conservatives biatch about welfare queens and give billions in corporate welfare. This is what happens when Democrats bemoan the plight of the American worker while giving tax incentives for companies that ship jobs over seas. This is what happens when one of the candidates of the party that is supposed to look out for the middle class sat on the board of the world's largest retailer that's median income for full time employees is around $17,000 a year (40% of its employees qualify for federal aid).

We are the richest country in the world and 40% of the employees at our largest private employer qualify for federal assistance. There is something wrong. Hell, someone with an income in the upper 5% (those affected by this proposal) have an income that is closer to someone in the bottom quintile than someone in the upper 1%. You can quote Ben Franklin all you want, but the rich are damn lucky that we can vote for the redistribution of wealth. Read a history book sometime and see what used to happen to the rich when the people finally got sick of their shiat.

PeteyNice: The gap between the rich and poor is the single biggest problem in the country today.

I think you'll find that taxation is a poor stopgap for a fundamentally flawed economic structure.

Who makes over $250k and actually deserves it?

Nobody, that's who.

fuzzwell: Give people INCENTIVES to earn more and work harder, not PENALTIES for doing so.

This idea that some people have that more money equals harder work has got to be one of the stupidest cons ever.

If hard work were the sole basis for salary, I guarantee you that the Mexicans I've worked with in construction would OWN you and your house and the dreams of your grandchildren.

Middle management-types who currently make six figures would be demanding TPS reports from their flea circus while on line at the soup kitchen.

Yanks_RSJ: DarnoKonrad: Let's all have a pity party for the people making more money than 95% of Americans. *snort*

If you're making that kind of money, you owe the country that gave so much to you.

Gave? So I guess nobody who makes $250,000 worked hard to get there, they were just lucky to be the first in line when government was handing out the cushy future jobs.

This is a petty cash-grab, and I say that as someone who doesn't come anywhere near the $250,000 threshold.

There are other countries that pay no taxes. They can move there if they didn't get anything from this fine country. Why do you hate America?

HA HA, you're moving to Gary!

filth: DarnoKonrad: 1954 Income level Tax rate
(adjusted for inflation)

up to $15,000.00 20%
$15,000.01 - $31,000.00 22%
$31,000.01 - $46,000.00 26%
$46,000.01 - $61,000.00 30%
$61,000.01 - $77,000.00 34%
$77,000.01 - $92,000.00 38%
$92,000.01 - $108,000.00 43%
$108,000.01 - $123,000.00 47%
$123,000.01 - $139,000.00 50%
$139,000.01 - $154,000.00 53%
$154,000.01 - $170,000.00 56%
$170,000.01 - $200,000.00 59%
$200,000.01 - $247,000.00 62%
$247,000.01 - $293,000.00 65%
$293,000.01 - $340,000.00 69%
$340,000.01 - $385,000.00 72%
$385,000.01 - $462,000.00 75%
$462,000.01 - $540,000.00 78%
$540,000.01 - $617,000.00 81%
$617,000.01 - $694,000.00 84%
$694,000.01 - $771,000.00 87%
$771,000.01 - $1,156,000.00 89%
$1,156,000.01 - $ 1,541,000.00 90%
$1,541,000.01 or more 91%

Which is why JFK slashed the rates. You think you're smarter than JFK?

I posted the 1954 tax code. What the hell are you talking about filth?

Black_Flame: Think about it: 94% of $250k ($235k) is still way more than 97% of even $70k.($67.9k).

True, but say I was one of the people earning $250,000. Why wouldn't I just ask for a salary reduction to $249,000?

94% of $250,000 = $235,000
97% of $249,000 = $241,530

I've just saved myself over $6,000 in taxes. I could reduce my income all the way down to about $242,268 a year to earn the same $235,000 after taxes.

I am one superhero who lacks a 'Robin Hood' complex. I say that the whole state finances are jacked up and need a complete over-haul minus Trump-combover, wannabe-a-real-politician-someday Blagojevich. That chump and hsi wife are nothing but a nice pair of tools.

/Angry that Mrs. Combover wanted to spend around $2-4 million dollars on WILDFLOWERS for the middle of the INTERSTATES, you know, that grassy part that no one cares about and gets run over all the time because it's for SAFETY, not to look PRETTY!?!
//I've had a hard week, the last thing I want to deal with are these jackholes
///Looking forward to the day of reckoning

Yanks_RSJ

Gave? So I guess nobody who makes $250,000 worked hard to get there, they were just lucky to be the first in line when government was handing out the cushy future jobs.

Everyone who makes $250,000 operates in a vacuum?

I'll never understand how it is that 'less regulation' can be something so-called 'economic conservatives' strive for. I prefer a regulated market where a person's hard work will actually reward them instead of seeing it vanish in a puff of fraud. Heaven forbid they have to pay taxes to keep that regulated marketplace and society running.