Like Blair, neither she nor Bill stand for anything - priding themselves in being tied to no "ideology". So a normal politician might set out with a set of principles, then lie as they compromise and betray them. But a Blair or Clinton is a politician with no purpose but their own standing, like celebrities who are nothing but celebrities. So they say whatever they feel will make them look best to the audience they're with, regardless of whether it's true, until they probably don't know themselves what's real and what's not

That's about the most cogent summations of the Clintons I've ever read. Too bad it had to come from some guy in Ireland.

That article is chock full of win.

The article needs to be widely distributed. Not a coincidence that it was published in Northern Ireland.

Seems like it was also published in the independent
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but yes, in Northern Ireland they had some laughs over the idea that HRC brought peace to the region.

"...invented the question mark."

Awesome article. Even better when you imagine the Irish accent.

Got my vote.

I heard she invented the map that shows you which way the batteries go into electronic devices, and the Duffs actually named their daughter after her.

40below: Like Blair, neither she nor Bill stand for anything - priding themselves in being tied to no "ideology". So a normal politician might set out with a set of principles, then lie as they compromise and betray them. But a Blair or Clinton is a politician with no purpose but their own standing, like celebrities who are nothing but celebrities. So they say whatever they feel will make them look best to the audience they're with, regardless of whether it's true, until they probably don't know themselves what's real and what's not

That's about the most cogent summations of the Clintons I've ever read. Too bad it had to come from some guy in Ireland.

Good news: Democrats still have the choice to nominate a candidate with a sincere, committed ideology.

Bad news: the ideology is Marxism...

BravadoGT: 40below: Like Blair, neither she nor Bill stand for anything - priding themselves in being tied to no "ideology". So a normal politician might set out with a set of principles, then lie as they compromise and betray them. But a Blair or Clinton is a politician with no purpose but their own standing, like celebrities who are nothing but celebrities. So they say whatever they feel will make them look best to the audience they're with, regardless of whether it's true, until they probably don't know themselves what's real and what's not

That's about the most cogent summations of the Clintons I've ever read. Too bad it had to come from some guy in Ireland.

Good news: Democrats still have the choice to nominate a candidate with a sincere, committed ideology.

Bad news: the ideology is Marxism...

So is it that you just know nothing about what Marxism means, or you just have no clue what Obama stands for?

He rode the walrus...

Great article, gift o' the gab and all that.

Obdicut:
So is it that you just know nothing about what Marxism means, or you just have no clue what Obama stands for?

A little from column A and a little from column B.

FTFA: Her husband only seems reasonable now because the idiot that followed him is so much worse.

True dat.

If you want to know the future, I implore you to continue reading grasshopper....

Mark my words, she has a plan: she fully intends on pulling close enough in the race that Florida can put her over Obama in the popular vote. She is going to argue from the standpoint that she believes both Florida and Michigan should be seated, but she is willing to compromise and only accept Florida since "both" of them were on the ballot in Florida.. and it was fair and square. She is going to remind Democrats of how duped we felt when Gore won the popular vote and lost to Bush.

At which point: Obama is going to start bringing some of this old stuff up about how evil it was that she pretended to neutral about Florida and Michigan, ran a covert-campaign in both areas, remained on the ballot in Michigan and then, after winning both, comes out of the closet and demands for them to be seated. He could of been hammering this point home, but decided not to, in order to not alienate those voters and the voting public. But if my calculations are right, he's going to regret this greatly.

At which point: Absolutely no agreement is going to ever be reached between the Obama and Clinton campaign. And before it is over, we will all come to realize the National DNC shot themselves in the head by being willing to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates. The DNC is going to have to override both party's and seat the delegates 1:1 equally and refuse to acknowledge the popular vote in the totals. All the while, Clinton is going to be screaming about how unfair this is and champion for them to count.

In the end: Obama will win the election. But the party is going to be shattered. Hell, Clinton may even leave the party. Don't believe me? Ask Joe Lieberman if the republicans aren't waiting with open arms for these people the DNC allows to get out of control. That's right. Mr. Lieberman has publicly come out supporting McCain and hope to be a keynote speaker the RNC this year ALA Zel Miller.

What can be done to prevent this: Anticipate it and start acting as if it is a given RIGHT NOW. Think about all of her actions up until now. Supporting McCain over Obama. She thinks the party turned their back on her and SHE IS NOT GOING TO GO PEACEFULLY INTO THE NIGHT.

And while I am at it, I'm going to make one more statement.

As pissed off as I am with a lot of the stuff Clinton has done throughout this election, I realize for every me, there is other people equally pissed off with stuff that Obama has done. Both candidates have their short comings. Both candidates have a highly motivated group of voters behind them that are probably willing to sabotage the process if they don't get their way. The DNC is making a huge mistake assuming we are all going to come together and get along after this decision -- because for a lot of us... that is simply not going to happen. I repeat, there is a significant number of people from both sides of the isle who simply are not going to vote for the other candidate. This could (and I really think it will) end up killing the Democrats chances in 2008.

But there is something we can do about it. I personally would be willing to accept an Obama/Hillary ticket or a Hillary/Obama ticket over a McCain ticket. I am not accepting a Hillary/non-Obama ticket under any circumstances. There is a large number of people on the other side of the isle who are not going to accept a Obama/non-Clinton ticket either. We will either compromise for the good of our country, or suicide out and give the republicans the nomination.

And I'm publicly coming out right now and telling you, as many people are afraid of Clinton "highly motivating" the right... You better wake up and realize that it doesn't matter how motivated "the right" is, if all the Democrats/Independent who showed up during this primary show up on election day to support a united ticket. The Democrats\Independent out-number the "Republicans" by a ton. Clinton motivates the baby-boomer Democrats even MORE than she motivates the "republicans". And I think a large number of independents could "tolerate" an Obama/Clinton ticket.

So I ask you, what would you rather have:
A guaranteed win for Obama\Clinton .... a significantly lower chance for Obama\whoever ..... an outright loss for Clinton\whoever ..... a guaranteed win for Clinton\Obama ... or McCain and more years of Republicans.

Personally, compromise = best choice for me.

If you don't stop talking badly about the Clintons, you're going to end up dead of apparent suicide.

Razorwolf: If you don't stop talking badly about the Clintons, you're going to end up dead of apparent suicide.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Razorwolf: If you don't stop talking badly about the Clintons, you're going to end up dead of apparent suicide.

a "Clinton Suicide": three rounds to the back of the head.

Oh, and Neurochemist: I will not vote for any ticket that has Hillary Clinton on it. I won't vote Clinton/Obama. I won't vote Obama/Clinton. I wouldn't vote McCain/Clinton if they were running against a Giuliani/Cheney ticket. I wouldn't vote Jesus/Clinton if they guaranteed me a daily BJ from a supermodel.

Neurochemist: So I ask you, what would you rather have:
A guaranteed win for Obama\Clinton .... a significantly lower chance for Obama\whoever ..... an outright loss for Clinton\whoever ..... a guaranteed win for Clinton\Obama ... or McCain and more years of Republicans.

I don't see how you think having HRC on the ballot with Obama is a guaranteed win. HRC represents the politics of division, and Obama would take a huge hit to his credibility to have her on the ticket.

I'm getting a kick out of these replies since I'm eating all the Gherkins in Belgiums right now!

Occam's Chainsaw: wouldn't vote Jesus/Clinton if they guaranteed me a daily BJ from a supermodel.

Hmph. I'd vote for that.

Hillary Brassky is a sonofabiatch.

Neurochemist:

You're starting to go a little nuts.

Obdicut: BravadoGT: 40below: Like Blair, neither she nor Bill stand for anything - priding themselves in being tied to no "ideology". So a normal politician might set out with a set of principles, then lie as they compromise and betray them. But a Blair or Clinton is a politician with no purpose but their own standing, like celebrities who are nothing but celebrities. So they say whatever they feel will make them look best to the audience they're with, regardless of whether it's true, until they probably don't know themselves what's real and what's not

That's about the most cogent summations of the Clintons I've ever read. Too bad it had to come from some guy in Ireland.

Good news: Democrats still have the choice to nominate a candidate with a sincere, committed ideology.

Bad news: the ideology is Marxism...

So is it that you just know nothing about what Marxism means, or you just have no clue what Obama stands for?

He just has Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly's weiner(s) in his mouth and they occasionally splosh, so he just says whatever "truth" has been deposited in him.

DamnYankees: Awesome article. Even better when you imagine the Irish accent.

nashBridges:

I have found my new favorite word.

I love the Irish.

The guy who wrote the article is English.

Occam's Chainsaw: Razorwolf: If you don't stop talking badly about the Clintons, you're going to end up dead of apparent suicide.

a "Clinton Suicide": three rounds to the back of the head.

Oh, and Neurochemist: I will not vote for any ticket that has Hillary Clinton on it. I won't vote Clinton/Obama. I won't vote Obama/Clinton. I wouldn't vote McCain/Clinton if they were running against a Giuliani/Cheney ticket. I wouldn't vote Jesus/Clinton if they guaranteed me a daily BJ from a supermodel.

This.

I would vote for a Satan/Hitler ticket over a Clinton/anyone ticket. Christ - I think I'd vote Ron Paul before HilLIARy Rotten Clinton.

zymurgist: Hmph. I'd vote for that.

Remember, this is Hillary Clinton we're talking about. First it would turn out that it's not really Jesus Christ, it's Jesus Sandoval, an American-born Latino man on life support. The plug would be pulled Jan 22. Then you'd find out that your guaranteed supermodel would be male. Or, if you actually like that sort of thing, female. Or if you're bisexual, a shark.

DamnYankees: Awesome article. Even better when you imagine the Irish accent.

Except Mark Steel is English (pops to Wikipedia).

Occam's Chainsaw: Or if you're bisexual, a shark.

*slinks back to the basement*

Occam's Chainsaw: Oh, and Neurochemist: I will not vote for any ticket that has Hillary Clinton on it. I won't vote Clinton/Obama. I won't vote Obama/Clinton. I wouldn't vote McCain/Clinton if they were running against a Giuliani/Cheney ticket. I wouldn't vote Jesus/Clinton if they guaranteed me a daily BJ from a supermodel.

Honestly, do you consider yourself representative of most people or are you in the minority? In a Obama\Clinton vs McCain\Whoever, would you vote for McCain or just stay home?

Firemarshalbill: You're starting to go a little nuts.

You better believe I've lost my mind. I may be completely off, but if theres one thing I learned from 2004, it is, whatever the fark community wants\thinks will happen politically = opposite of what happens. :-p

Bad news: the ideology is Marxism...

haha, nope

binnster: DamnYankees: Awesome article. Even better when you imagine the Irish accent.

nashBridges:

I have found my new favorite word.

I love the Irish.

The guy who wrote the article is English.

Actually I am cracking up imagining the article as being read by Brad Pitt in his pikey character voice from Snatch.

Hillary has always been a complusive liar. It's just back when it was Hillary versus any given Republican the leftstream media always gave her a pass. But now it's Hillary versus another Democrat. And Obama has enough support in the leftstream media that suddenly she's getting called out. It must be very frustrating for someone that's used to being able to say whatever they wanted without question to suddenly have to be truthful.

And don't think for a moment that Hillary doesn't realize that her best chance (at this point) of fulfilling her "destiny" of being President is for McCain to win. If Obama wins the election, there's no way she'll be able to be the Democratic nominee in four years (it would be President Obama). Which means her next chance would be in eight years. That might be a little too far off for her. But if McCain wins, she could get another shot in four.

Obligatory:

I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row.

I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.

Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.

I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear.

I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me.

I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy.

I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down.

I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.

But I have not yet gone to college been president.

Well, she is a congenital liar.

RalphW

I'll see your Obligatory:

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really.

If you ever have the pleasure of hearing the guy who wrote this article (originally for the Indie earlier this week) the description of 'pikey' isn't that far from the truth, i grew up about 5 miles from him, and a lot of people around there do have 'dawgs'. Having said that, Mark is a very bright guy, great stand up comic as well and has written one of the best histories of the French revolution i have read.

Obdicut:
So is it that you just know nothing about what Marxism means, or you just have no clue what Obama stands for?

Neither, he nailed it.

Ah, comedy gold the likes of which hasn't been seen in quite some time.

I will add:
Having heard, for the first time, that my adventures have been doubted, and looked upon as jokes, I feel bound to come forward and vindicate my character /for veracity/, by paying three shillings at the Mansion House of this great city for the affidavits hereto appended.

This I have been forced into in regard of my own honour, although I have retired for many years from public and private life; and I hope that this, my last edition, will place me in a proper light with my readers.

AT THE CITY OF LONDON, ENGLAND.

We, the undersigned, as true believers in the profit, do most solemnly affirm, that all the adventures of our friend Baron Munchausen, in whatever country they may lie, are positive and simple facts. And, as we have been believed, whose adventures are tenfold more wonderful, so do we hope all true believers will give him their full faith and credence.


GULLIVER. x
SINBAD. x
ALADDIN. x

Sworn at the Mansion House 9th Nov. last, in the absence of the Lord Mayor. JOHN (the Porter).

Neurochemist: Honestly, do you consider yourself representative of most people or are you in the minority? In a Obama\Clinton vs McCain\Whoever, would you vote for McCain or just stay home?

I am representative of my peer group. I'd like to say I'm representative of the kind of independent voter who both parties are going to have to court to win, but past experience and caution in the face of hubris prevent me from doing so. Hillary has the Clintonistas and the angry vagina crowd, but just about everyone else I've met, spoken with, interacted with, have known, etc. runs screaming in the opposite direction.

In an Obama/Clinton -vs- McCain/Someone Not Dying race, I would vote McCain/Not Dying. I'd vote Nader, were he a strong contender. I'd write in Mandy Patinkin, were there no strong contender.

I can see several reasons why I would vote for Barack Obama. I can see several reasons why I would vote for John McCain. Were it to be between the two, I will be voting Barack Obama. But regardless of the position she would be running for or who was her opposition, if Hillary is on a ticket, I am voting against her, no matter what. Period.

King Keepo: Ah, comedy gold the likes of which hasn't been seen in quite some time.

This.

Having read this I need to go wipe the coffee off my monitor.

That was awesome.

. . . I built the Sears Tower, I make two grand an hour . . . I cook the worlds best duck flambeeeeeeee. . . . .

/obscure?

I Don't Appreciate Your Ruse: Well, she is a con-genital-haerpies liar.

There, fixed that for you.

The bad thing about a thread like this is most are far right or far left . That leads to name calling and such, and that in the end gets nothing done. It would better all if people worked to find common ground and work from there.
There are many things in this country that need work but for that to be done we need to start in th middle and work from there.

//Oh well back to this Plant.
///Hilldog Suck Green ones.

Occam's Chainsaw:I can see several reasons why I would vote for Barack Obama. I can see several reasons why I would vote for John McCain. Were it to be between the two, I will be voting Barack Obama. But regardless of the position she would be running for or who was her opposition, if Hillary is on a ticket, I am voting against her, no matter what. Period.

This. Out of curiousity, are you a working class white male?

I am a working class white male, have this same general opinion, as does almost every other working class white male (who isn't firmly entrenched in one party or the other) I know.

Strange that I keep being told by the news that I will never vote for Obama, because I am, according to the news, scared of Black people.

*shrug*

/gObama!

Occam's Chainsaw: I can see several reasons why I would vote for Barack Obama. I can see several reasons why I would vote for John McCain. Were it to be between the two, I will be voting Barack Obama. But regardless of the position she would be running for or who was her opposition, if Hillary is on a ticket, I am voting against her, no matter what. Period.

This. For real.

If the Democrats decide at the convention that the best compromise is to put them both on the ticket, Cindy McCain can start picking out the new White House drapes right then.

SnoreCriminal: Occam's Chainsaw:I can see several reasons why I would vote for Barack Obama. I can see several reasons why I would vote for John McCain. Were it to be between the two, I will be voting Barack Obama. But regardless of the position she would be running for or who was her opposition, if Hillary is on a ticket, I am voting against her, no matter what. Period.

This. Out of curiousity, are you a working class white male?

I am a working class white male, have this same general opinion, as does almost every other working class white male (who isn't firmly entrenched in one party or the other) I know.

Strange that I keep being told by the news that I will never vote for Obama, because I am, according to the news, scared of Black people.

*shrug*

/gObama!

Me Too!

C'mon, SnoreCrimimal, quit blaming Hillary. You know you don't need an excuse for the Satan/Hitler ticket.

/Vote List 1!
//about time Hitler learned to bottom

BRILLIANT!
Pass me another Guinness.