Subby Read the article you post for gosh sake. He said that Florida will have a delegation at the convention and that the manner in which they are chosen will be up to Obama and Hillary. In other words, it will be a credential fight. Nothing new here, move along.

its not quite that simple.

for those of you keeping score at home, it's now Hillary with 1686 and Barack with 1662

Um, no.

Denver. August.



Be there.

I'm starting to believe that estrogen makes you irrational.

/I already knew that about testosterone

DarthBrooks: Denver. August.

Be there.

I lol'd.

/Gonna be some great television.

Easy there... they haven't agree HOW to seat them FreakinOut McSubmitter pants

Not that the headline's true or anything, but as a Deaniac from way back I have to say I'm bummed that Dean is backtracking and agreeing to seat any of these farkers. You break the rules, you get punished, or else no one's going to follow the rules next time.

Nabb1: DarthBrooks: Denver. August.

Be there.

I lol'd.

/Gonna be some great television.


And, either way, there's going to be some severely pissed off people there.

Living in the Metro Philly area, the TV & radio ad saturation for the Primary has begun with insane zeal.

In two weeks, you will not be able to turn on the TV w/o seeing an ad.

DarthBrooks: Denver. August. Be there.

Go buy yourself a cookie.

You deserve it!

Nestea Plunge: I'm going to be super pissed if Dean caves. He needs to tell Hillary to STFU and STFD.

He's afraid of pissing off Florida and losing the state in the general election. I can't say that concern is unfounded.

Nestea Plunge: Farking bang up job Howie, why bother to make rules in the first place, you farkhead.

Well, you can't not seat Florida. For the purposes of the general, Florida has to have a say in choosing the party's nominee, even if it is largely perfunctory and ceremonial.

Marcus Aurelius: I'm starting to believe that estrogen makes you irrational.

Are you implying that Dean is a pre-op tranny?

Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: I'm going to be super pissed if Dean caves. He needs to tell Hillary to STFU and STFD.

He's afraid of pissing off Florida and losing the state in the general election. I can't say that concern is unfounded.

Florida's already farked anyway. It only gets redder every year, and speaking entirely anecdotally, I have Jewish friends telling me what a horrible person I am for backing an anti-Semite like Obama. I'm 23 years old, I can only IMAGINE what their grandparents down in Florida think.

rocinante721: Living in the Metro Philly area, the TV & radio ad saturation for the Primary has begun with insane zeal. In two weeks, you will not be able to turn on the TV w/o seeing an ad.

Thank God I can't vote (from Delaware), b/c my "pissed-off factor" will be at maximum hostility towards both of these Attention Whores.

.. also, not a registered Democrat

Dean also said they will only sit down under a plan that both sides agree with. Never going to happen.

Nabb1: Gonna be some great television.

Definitely! And people act like it's gonna hurt the Dems. As though the American public is totally turned off by drama, crisis, controversy, and catfights.

Nestea Plunge: They knew the rules, they held the primaries anyway. I don't care who's pissed, rules are rules. We don't change them because somebody's being a coont.

You're not married, are you?

/Just kidding honey.

robsul82
Florida's already farked anyway.

This. McCain is old. Florida is full of old people. He'll win it.
/"one of us... one of us..."

Nestea Plunge: Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: I'm going to be super pissed if Dean caves. He needs to tell Hillary to STFU and STFD.

He's afraid of pissing off Florida and losing the state in the general election. I can't say that concern is unfounded.

They knew the rules, they held the primaries anyway. I don't care who's pissed, rules are rules. We don't change them because somebody's being a coont.

I know, but the rank and file voters didn't move the primaries. You have to do something, but in this case if that something means tossing out the votes of the very people you're going to be asking to turn out to the polls again in a few months, it could bite you in the ass.

robsul82: Not that the headline's true or anything, but as a Deaniac from way back I have to say I'm bummed that Dean is backtracking and agreeing to seat any of these farkers. You break the rules, you get punished, or else no one's going to follow the rules next time.

Nestea Plunge: Farking bang up job Howie, why bother to make rules in the first place, you farkhead.

Nestea Plunge: Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: I'm going to be super pissed if Dean caves. He needs to tell Hillary to STFU and STFD.

He's afraid of pissing off Florida and losing the state in the general election. I can't say that concern is unfounded.

They knew the rules, they held the primaries anyway. I don't care who's pissed, rules are rules. We don't change them because somebody's being a coont.

What do you expect, they're democrats. The party's bylaws are just in a living breathing document that needs to grow as times change.

robsul82: Florida's already farked anyway. It only gets redder every year, and speaking entirely anecdotally, I have Jewish friends telling me what a horrible person I am for backing an anti-Semite like Obama. I'm 23 years old, I can only IMAGINE what their grandparents down in Florida think.

I only know a few grandparent aged Florida Jews and I'm pretty sure what you have imagined is accurate.

Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: I'm going to be super pissed if Dean caves. He needs to tell Hillary to STFU and STFD.

He's afraid of pissing off Florida and losing the state in the general election. I can't say that concern is unfounded.

They knew the rules, they held the primaries anyway. I don't care who's pissed, rules are rules. We don't change them because somebody's being a coont.

I know, but the rank and file voters didn't move the primaries. You have to do something, but in this case if that something means tossing out the votes of the very people you're going to be asking to turn out to the polls again in a few months, it could bite you in the ass.

"It is not our fault that your elected representatives decided to break national party rules. Take your complaints up with them."

Was should Hillary be rewarded for breaking the rules too. Wasn't she not supposed to campaign in either state? Was Obama's name even on the ballot in those states? This is a freakin joke. If they can't do a revote with both names on the ballot then tough shiat. They should have played by the rules. They were warned.

Tell the voters to look at their state legislature for someone to blame too, and next time to vote their stupid a**es out of office.

Nestea Plunge: Well they should have thought of that before they moved the primaries, then. Maybe they did and didn't care. "oh we'll deal with it when the time comes" Well, that time is almost here.

"They" who? The voters? I think Florida made this decision in November or December, right? What could the voters do about it? Riot? Revolt? Burn down Tallahassee?

robsul82: "It is not our fault that your elected representatives decided to break national party rules are more important than your vote. Take your complaints up with and shove them."

FTFY. Well, that's necessarily my own view, but that's how a lot of voters will interpret it. And if you don't think the Florida GOP won't spin it that way, you are crazy.

Everything is proceeding, exactly as I have foreseen.

This is one case where the Republicans got it right. They stripped Florida of half their delegates as a penalty for moving the primary date.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

President Hillary Clinton, SAY IT BIATCHS!!



don't worry if you say it enuff times you stop puking every time.

Come on, we all knew this was going to happen

Nabb1: robsul82: "It is not our fault that your elected representatives decided to break national party rules are more important than your vote. Take your complaints up with and shove them."

FTFY. Well, that's necessarily my own view, but that's how a lot of voters will interpret it. And if you don't think the Florida GOP won't spin it that way, you are crazy.

Great. Who says they'll buy that?

robsul82: Great. Who says they'll buy that?

I don't know. But as 2000 showed, it only takes a few thousand to swing the whole thing.

Nestea Plunge: Well, we're talking Florida here, the rank & file voters thought "early primaries? Fark yeah, sign us up!", even though their vote would be negated later on down the line.

Oh, so they were supposed to stay home? "Hey, I'd like to participate in our democratic process, but party rules are party rules. I think I'll go write the DNC a thank you note." I don't think so.

I'm glad to see that Chairman Dean is going to do the right thing. Hillary campaigned hard in Florida, it's not her fault that she won a primary. Once Dean seats the Michigan delegates as well, we will see a calm convention, where every voter gets their voice heard.

Nestea Plunge
Well, we're talking Florida here, the rank & file voters thought "early primaries? Fark yeah, sign us up!", even though their vote would be negated later on down the line.

This is remarkably dense.
And you're a smart human. Did someone hack into your TF account?

I'm a rank and file voter in FL.
There were complaints and opposition before the Legislature moved the date of our primary. And it was shoved through anyway, speedily.

C'mon.

This is easy:

"There you go, Florida delagates... there's you're seats. What? Well, if you wanted to be able to vote you should have said so before we gave you the seats."

rocinante721: Living in the Metro Philly area, the TV & radio ad saturation for the Primary has begun with insane zeal.

In two weeks, you will not be able to turn on the TV w/o seeing an ad.

You don't have TIVO or DVR's in Philly?

Nestea Plunge: It's like at work: we put these rules down for a reason. If everybody wanted exceptions, why bother?

So if the company manual told you to do one thing and your boss made you do another, and you had no choice but to do what your boss said, would you say fire him or fire you?

BWAHAHAHAHA!

You guys are beautiful. You really are.

Do you guys sit around dreaming up new ways to ensure that you don't get elected?

DarthBrooks: Be there.

That's funny, the blood usually gets off at the second floor.

So the way I read TFA, Dean says he WILL seat the delegates, but that Obama and Clinton have to figure out how they're apportioned.

But if the candidates can't come to an agreement, will Dean simply seat them based on the current tallies? If that's true, there's no incentive for Clinton to agree to any kind of deal.

I, for one, would like to extend my congratulations to John McCain, who is going to win.

\The Dems just can't get it together.
\Sorry Barry

I don't see why the need to pander to FL. Neither Democrat is going to win it anyways. Not saying the voters aren't important but the voters should be mad at their state legislature for moving things up, and Dean should say that, Obama should say that, (but of course Hillary won't say that because she "won").

Someone really needs to ask her at one of these debates if she would be so concerned with seating Florida if Obama had "won" it 70-30 and everything else was the same.

Waah Waah, we broke the rules but it doesn't matter. Personal responsibility died a long long time ago in this country.

Pay attention. They delegates are getting housed there. They are getting beds, not seats.

Nestea Plunge: Hey, let's not follow any rules, we can do whatever the fark we want, whenever the fark we want.

You guys were warned multiple times about the penalties for early primaries, but you went and had them anyway.

So party rules - which are not the product of any governmental authority - are more sacrosanct than a state's right to determine its own electoral process and more important than the rights of the voters who are directly affected?

Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: Hey, let's not follow any rules, we can do whatever the fark we want, whenever the fark we want.

You guys were warned multiple times about the penalties for early primaries, but you went and had them anyway.

So party rules - which are not the product of any governmental authority - are more sacrosanct than a state's right to determine its own electoral process and more important than the rights of the voters who are directly affected?

When such specious reasoning leads to states scheduling 2024 primaries in August of 2009, yes.

Nabb1: Nestea Plunge: Hey, let's not follow any rules, we can do whatever the fark we want, whenever the fark we want.

You guys were warned multiple times about the penalties for early primaries, but you went and had them anyway.

So party rules - which are not the product of any governmental authority - are more sacrosanct than a state's right to determine its own electoral process and more important than the rights of the voters who are directly affected?

Primary rules have always been dictated by the parties involved, but you knew this already and are just trolling the thread.

Nabb1: So party rules - which are not the product of any governmental authority - are more sacrosanct than a state's right to determine its own electoral process and more important than the rights of the voters who are directly affected?

Correct. When it comes to primaries, the party can pick whoever it wants. And if states choose to defy the rules to put themselves in a more important position in the primary lineup, it's rather important that that kind of behavior not be encouraged in the least. "Disenfranchised voters" my ass. Those voters should know exactly who to point the finger at.