Proving P.T.Barnum right once again.

bigpeeler: Proving P.T.Barnum right once again.

P.T. Barnum never said what you think he said.

bigpeeler: Proving P.T.Barnum right once again.

You mean "A human soul is not to be trifled with. It may inhabit the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hotentot - it is still an immortal spirit!" ?

'Cuz honestly I'm not sure how it applies here.

This begs the question - is campaign finance reform useful anymore? Now that donations can be done via internet and anyone can give, is there a need for public financing? I still understand putting a cap on individual donations, but Obama's massive money haul is not thwarting democracy, it's representing it. Over 1.2 million people have given to him. There's no logical reason to restrict that by making him take public financing.

DamnYankees: This begs the question - is campaign finance reform useful anymore? Now that donations can be done via internet and anyone can give, is there a need for public financing? I still understand putting a cap on individual donations, but Obama's massive money haul is not thwarting democracy, it's representing it. Over 1.2 million people have given to him. There's no logical reason to restrict that by making him take public financing.

Not everyone has the kind of appeal to young, tech-savvy voters that Obama has. You can donate online to Huggles McCain's campaign too, but you don't see him pulling in those kind of numbers.

Wasn't there going to be some sort of agreement between the Dem nominee and McCain about public financing for the general?

Jubeebee: Not everyone has the kind of appeal to young, tech-savvy voters that Obama has. You can donate online to Huggles McCain's campaign too, but you don't see him pulling in those kind of numbers.

Wasn't there going to be some sort of agreement between the Dem nominee and McCain about public financing for the general?

That just proves people like Obama more. How is this an argument for public financing?

DamnYankees: Jubeebee: Not everyone has the kind of appeal to young, tech-savvy voters that Obama has. You can donate online to Huggles McCain's campaign too, but you don't see him pulling in those kind of numbers.

Wasn't there going to be some sort of agreement between the Dem nominee and McCain about public financing for the general?

That just proves people like Obama more. How is this an argument for public financing?

Excuse my inarticulateness; my two statements were not related to each other. Most of the people who make the laws don't have the kind of appeal Obama has, which means it's in their own interests to continue public financing.

I had also heard somewhere on the tubes that McCain and the Dem nominee would meet after their party conventions to reach an agreement on whether or not to use public funding in the general. But I have no source, and I don't care this close to lunch to find one, so that could be completely made up.

I have donated to the Obama campaign twice so far. I will donate again and again and donate the most valuable thing I can to his campaign I can this November, my vote.

Whoops... too many "I cans" in that.

Yes I can. :D

More importantly... Yes WE can. :)

A person with that kind of draw is a perfect fit for the VP slot.

To be more precise, she's not struggling to pay the bills. She's just not doing it.

BooBoo23: A person with that kind of draw is a perfect fit for the VP slot.

Exactly. We just need two people like Obama and we will be all set. Know anyone?

for good or for awesome: Know anyone?

I do, but Pookie and Ray Ray said they're busy this year.

If Hillary has to fund her own campaign, she might drop out of the race. She wants the nomination badly, but the Clintons NEVER spend their own money on ANYTHING. It's like....a law of physics for them. They spend other people's money on stuff. Never their own.

I wonder how Hillary will handle her financial setbacks?

BooBoo23:

Pookie and Ray Ray said they're busy this year.

I thought they needed to vote not be the vice president.

Weaver95: If Hillary has to fund her own campaign, she might drop out of the race. She wants the nomination badly, but the Clintons NEVER spend their own money on ANYTHING. It's like....a law of physics for them. They spend other people's money on stuff. Never their own.

I wonder how Hillary will handle her financial setbacks?

Didn't Hillary put in $5 million of her own money already?

Weaver95: I wonder how Hillary will handle her financial setbacks?

She'll attempt to get a government bailout... emphasis on attempt. ;)

Car_Ramrod: Weaver95: If Hillary has to fund her own campaign, she might drop out of the race. She wants the nomination badly, but the Clintons NEVER spend their own money on ANYTHING. It's like....a law of physics for them. They spend other people's money on stuff. Never their own.

I wonder how Hillary will handle her financial setbacks?

Didn't Hillary put in $5 million of her own money already?

That's peanuts. If she's going to stay in this race, she'll have to commit $20 million A MONTH. She knows she can pull $5 million back out of her campaign and not lose the money. But $20 million? For the next couple of months? That money is GONE. And she is extremely adverse to spending that sort of money if it's coming from her bank account.

If you have to spend your own money on your campaign, you're in trouble. And from what I gather, Hillary's cash flow problem is only going to get worse as she gets closer to the convention.

JohnnyC: Weaver95: I wonder how Hillary will handle her financial setbacks?

She'll attempt to get a government bailout... emphasis on attempt. ;)

I wonder if she'll suddenly get a cash infusion from Bill via his presidential library?

Weaver95: I wonder if she'll suddenly get a cash infusion from Bill via his presidential library?

Via the Saudis and Kazakhs, right? Actually, I figured the $5m was laundered through there already.

Bill used to golf with Ken Lay, after all. (And Lay then laundered over $100,000 into their campaign by paying for inauguration parties, or something of the sort). I'm sure they learned a thing or two.

Via From the Saudis and Kazakhs

FTFM

If HC doesn't get it, she never will.

I did *not* contribute this cycle. He'll get more from me later tho. I'd give every dime I have if I knew it would help bring down the Republicrats Hillary and McCain.

dhudd: If HC doesn't get it, and she never will.

FTFY

unlikely

bigpeeler: Proving P.T.Barnum right once again.

You mean "A human soul is not to be trifled with. It may inhabit the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hotentot - it is still an immortal spirit!" ?

'Cuz honestly I'm not sure how it applies here.

Really? Because I think that's totally applicable.

Because yesterday, Hillary was all like, "Obama can't win." And everyone's like "Why not?" And Hillary's all like, "Well, you didn't hear it from me, but Hotentot's just can't win elections. And all my hotentot friends are telling me that Obama is a hotentot."

And then P.T. Barnum is all like, "A human soul is not to be trifled with. It may inhabit the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hotentot - it is still an immortal spirit! And this hotentot is taking it all the way to the White House, despite all your attempts to turn the Chinamen and the Turks against him with your constant race-baiting."

Where is he spending the money? Running TV ads all over PA?

vernonFL: Where is he spending the money? Running TV ads all over PA?

3-1 I heard.

DamnYankees: This begs the question - is campaign finance reform useful anymore? Now that donations can be done via internet and anyone can give, is there a need for public financing? I still understand putting a cap on individual donations, but Obama's massive money haul is not thwarting democracy, it's representing it. Over 1.2 million people have given to him. There's no logical reason to restrict that by making him take public financing.

Can't she get some combat pay for destroying that sniper's nest?

Car_Ramrod: Didn't Hillary put in $5 million of her own money already?

Technically, I believe she only loaned it to the campaign.

Tallgordon: unlikely

bigpeeler: Proving P.T.Barnum right once again.

You mean "A human soul is not to be trifled with. It may inhabit the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hotentot - it is still an immortal spirit!" ?

'Cuz honestly I'm not sure how it applies here.

Really? Because I think that's totally applicable.

Because yesterday, Hillary was all like, "Obama can't win." And everyone's like "Why not?" And Hillary's all like, "Well, you didn't hear it from me, but Hotentot's just can't win elections. And all my hotentot friends are telling me that Obama is a hotentot."

And then P.T. Barnum is all like, "A human soul is not to be trifled with. It may inhabit the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hotentot - it is still an immortal spirit! And this hotentot is taking it all the way to the White House, despite all your attempts to turn the Chinamen and the Turks against him with your constant race-baiting."

My god, there was so much win in that post it buried the needle on my Win-o-meter

/who did put the Hot in Hotentot?

vernonFL: Running TV ads all over PA?

First hand account of advertizing here in PA. I've seen 3 Hillary ads on TV.

I've seen 15 for Obama, he's blanketed radio at every break on AM and FM, and print too...

DamnYankees: This begs the question - is campaign finance reform useful anymore? Now that donations can be done via internet and anyone can give, is there a need for public financing? I still understand putting a cap on individual donations, but Obama's massive money haul is not thwarting democracy, it's representing it. Over 1.2 million people have given to him. There's no logical reason to restrict that by making him take public financing.

Public financing is still very much the ideal, IMHO.

In this election, it doesn't matter so much, because there is a popular and charismatic candidate that inspires people to drive the campaign.

It's the other elections that are the problem- small representative districts, state stuff, and such. In one of those races, a few well-placed wealthy donors and PACs can rapidly crush the opposition's fundraising.

The root of the problem is that through fundraising, the wealthy few can have a much louder voice than the many. Which is absolutely fine in private corporations. But our public office races shouldn't be an advertising battle, they should be forums to decide which ideas work best, and which candidate is most effective at implementing them.

Obama is an exception.

Insurance_EE_guy: vernonFL: Running TV ads all over PA?

First hand account of advertizing here in PA. I've seen 3 Hillary ads on TV.

I've seen 15 for Obama, he's blanketed radio at every break on AM and FM, and print too...

That is a danger though... no matter how much people might like him, eventually you get tired of seeing the same thing. It's like when you hear a song on the radio that you really like, then you hear it 10 more times the next day ...because it's radio and that's what they do, and you start to hate it. I really wonder if there's an oversaturation risk in Pa

Obama cultists: he is not going to be president. Accept it. Either Hillary will pull some kind of dirty tricks in time to get the nomination (my bet) or he gets beat by McCain in the general election. I'll bet money on it.

Edsel: Car_Ramrod: Didn't Hillary put in $5 million of her own money already?

Technically, I believe she only loaned it to the campaign.

And she's making 2% on the loan.

On a different point, there was much talk about using public financing in the general election, but Obama's fundraising ability would give him much more to spend. So the candidates will ultimately not reach agreement on this - and since McCain's already blown past his spending limits for the 'before convention' phase of the race, the political fallout will be negligable.

freddie freeloader: I'll bet money on it.

*throws down a Benjamin*

I'll take that bet

Wait, so you mean Sean Hannity devoting his entire show/life to trying to discredit Obama by playing 12 seconds of Rev. Wright on a loop isn't working?

I love watching the party that blatantly caters to racists and bigots (Reagan with his "states rights" speech in Mississippi comes to mind) twisting themselves in a knot with phony outrage over the Wright thing.

freddie freeloader:
Obama cultists: he is not going to be president. Accept it. Either Hillary will pull some kind of dirty tricks in time to get the nomination (my bet) or he gets beat by McCain in the general election. I'll bet money on it.

How much?

1 month of TF?
6 months of TF?


I'm game.

It looks like Hillary manages her campaign like the Republicans managed the country.

freddie freeloader: Obama cultists: he is not going to be president. Accept it. Either Hillary will pull some kind of dirty tricks in time to get the nomination (my bet) or he gets beat by McCain in the general election. I'll bet money on it.

Good troll. I don't think you missed any points and I don't think you overreached. Still, there wasn't a whole lot of pizazz...nothing that grabs attention.

8/10

clgrin: Insurance_EE_guy: vernonFL: Running TV ads all over PA?

First hand account of advertizing here in PA. I've seen 3 Hillary ads on TV.

I've seen 15 for Obama, he's blanketed radio at every break on AM and FM, and print too...

That is a danger though... no matter how much people might like him, eventually you get tired of seeing the same thing. It's like when you hear a song on the radio that you really like, then you hear it 10 more times the next day ...because it's radio and that's what they do, and you start to hate it. I really wonder if there's an oversaturation risk in Pa

This was basically what happened in Texas, not the fatigue, but the massive outspending of Clinton by Obama. I think it moves the polls slightly more than it moves the actual numbers, but there can be no doubt that it moved the numbers in Texas, from over twenty points Clinton to around four points Clinton. If Clinton wins Pennsylvania by only four points, she'll have to drop out.

News: Democrats are raising huge bucks.
Not news: The Republican broke the campaign finance law he wrote.

/submitted this story with a trollerific headline.

Algebrat: begthequestion.info

I was going to say exactly the same thing. Statements, facts, or propositions do not "beg questions", an argument that assumes what it's trying to prove does.

But then again, what can you expect from an Obama supporter? ;)

Wow sounds just like the Ron Paul articles

I find it funny how the conventional wisdom was no one could raise competitive money by people giving small donations like this.

McCain passed laws to try to make it a more fair system. Now he gets help by the lobbyists and special interests that he has always said was wrong about the system. Running against someone that who is funding himself the way that he in the past said was the right way.

McCain is such a sell out, he has sold out to the special interests and lobbyists while Obama is raising MORE money by small donations from millions of people.

If anyone wants to see Hillary supports starting to implode... Check out Hillaryis44.com today... It's awesome.

They want to fire Howard Dean for not helping Hillary. It's delicious.

MugzyBrown: Wow sounds just like the Ron Paul articles

Really. When did Ron Paul raised 40 million in one month?

I must of missed that.