A talentless hack, tripping balls on stage, does not equal punk.

A talentless hack, tripping balls on stage, does not equal punk.

Sounds pretty punk to me, eyehate.

lotta punks on the UM football team, if that helps.

"Punk is whatever we made it to be..." -D Boon


You could probably go back as far as the Kinks or Screaming Jay Hawkins, but, yeah, not too many people are going to deny The Stooges influence on the Punk scene that erupted in the mid to late 70s...

Punk goes further back than this, junior. There were garage "punk" bands back in the mid 60's that were doing this before The Stooges, and doing it much better, I might add!

Check out compilation album series' like "Teenage Rebellion", "Back From The Grave" and "Pebbles". THAT was punk.

eyehate: A talentless hack, tripping balls on stage, does not equal punk.

Riiiiiight. Pretty much every punk band in every corner of the world was completely trashed on the finest of paint solvents and wood alcohol until like 1982 or whenever Ian MacKaye got kicked out of the cub scouts. Unless you want to stretch the definition of punk to the Sonics or one of them other early 60s bands, or even someone like Bo Diddley, it's not like all those kids weren't gulping down handfuls of amphetamines and cheap whiskey as well.

Likewise, Punk, almost regadless of the myriad possible ways you can define its birth, was most certainly built upon the inability to play one's instrument 'properly', one way or another...whether it was the the addition of something as simple as distortion or feedback as a coverup, or just using a more simple song structure and/or shortened song length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FKO4Y7u_w

A talentless hack, tripping balls on stage, does not equal punk.


Missed another boat did you, eyehate?

Funny, I knew exactly what this was before I even clicked the link, because Punk + Ann Arbor can only mean one thing. Now shut up and pass the peanut butter. And go listen to Metallic K.O.

MC5 baby!

Crewmannumber6: MC5 baby!

I wanna know, are you ready to testify?

DrBenway: because Punk + Ann Arbor can only mean one thing.

I didn't even bother. MC5, right? Snore.

Five Minute Standup:

I didn't even bother. MC5, right? Snore.


Nope. Little Jimmy Osterberg and his friends.

Yeah, lets all argue over stuff that happened 40 years ago. How many of you where even alive back then?

for good or for awesome: Yeah, lets all argue over stuff that happened 40 years ago. How many of you where even alive back then?

Me, baby!

for good or for awesome: Yeah, lets all argue over stuff that happened 40 years ago. How many of you where even alive back then?

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Me, baby!


And me. So get the fark off our lawns before you get chain-whipped.

Crewmannumber6: MC5 baby!

Kick out the jams, and fark Hudsons.

/Detroit, where the weak are killed and eaten
//have a photo of that slogan on the wall of Hudsons just as it was being torn down

if you are going to include STOOGES as punk then why not Velvet Underground , the Monks, then you can keep digging into the 50's with guys like Hazil adkins who wrote songs about cutting off your head and putting it on his walls... Then you can go all the way like that to LEADBELLY who shot people and wrote his best shiat from jail in the early 1900...


The question is: you looking for the originator of the punk attitude? Or the first punk record ever?

Because first punk record is easy:

THe Damned beat the sex pistols by a few months, by releasing their single first

But here is the constant debate: did The Ramones first album constitute a "proper" punk rock album (the first clash album SURE seems to think so)

If you agree that ramones is punk then they did win.... by several months.

DrBenway: for good or for awesome: Yeah, lets all argue over stuff that happened 40 years ago. How many of you where even alive back then?

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Me, baby!


And me. So get the fark off our lawns before you get chain-whipped.

40 years ago? I was dancing at the Atlantic Beach Pavilion to James Brown and the Fabulous Flames. When they took a break we cranked up the juke to 96 Tears, the first real punk tune.

for good or for awesome: Yeah, lets all argue over stuff that happened 40 years ago. How many of you where even alive back then?

Me. I was two years old, but I was there!

My dad saw Iggy back in the day in Detroit, some place called the East Village or something. Anyway he said that Iggy hauled some huge fat chick out of the audience onto the stage and then sat on her face.

HappyHarryHardOn: if you are going to include STOOGES as punk then why not Velvet Underground , the Monks, then you can keep digging into the 50's with guys like Hazil adkins who wrote songs about cutting off your head and putting it on his walls... Then you can go all the way like that to LEADBELLY who shot people and wrote his best shiat from jail in the early 1900...


The question is: you looking for the originator of the punk attitude? Or the first punk record ever?

Because first punk record is easy:

THe Damned beat the sex pistols by a few months, by releasing their single first

But here is the constant debate: did The Ramones first album constitute a "proper" punk rock album (the first clash album SURE seems to think so)

If you agree that ramones is punk then they did win.... by several months.

Somehow you need to throw Richard Hell and his role in Television in there.

But a lot of that has to do with style. Malcolm McLaren saw Richard Hell and his shirt held up by safety-pins and a lightbulb went off in his grubby little brain.

Screw it. Television is still one of my favorite bands. Very anti-70s in a weird way. Besides. Marquee Moon is amazing.

I never can get that whipped up about "who came first" arguments so long as nobody says anything really preposterous. Velvets, Iggy, Dolls, Ramones and on up... I like it all and don't really care about what genre column someone does or doesn't want to put them in. It's not going to change the way it sounds, is it? That kind of seems like the important part...

Punk Rock?






















Would like to have a word with you.......

HappyHarryHardOn: If you agree that ramones is punk then they did win.... by several months.

You'd have to be a total idiot to even try and argue that the Ramones weren't a punk band.

/ yes I have seen it tried many times. There are many total idiots.

Dynascape:

Screw it. Television is still one of my favorite bands. Very anti-70s in a weird way. Besides. Marquee Moon is amazing.


I think I listened to that album every day for a year after I got a copy. Had read about them but hadn't heard them; someone I worked with was pestering me to go see Peter Gabriel on his first solo tour, and I was on the fence until I heard that Television was opening. Seeing them before I'd even heard their music was one of those "moments" that changed a lot of things for me music-wise. Had some pretty good arguments with friends who over their merits after the show... got the "farking garage band" blast from at least one of them.

Two of my prized possessions are an original Ork Records 45 of Little Johnny Jewel and a tattered record company poster for Marquee Moon.

Oh yeah, and Peter Gabriel wasn't bad either! Fripp played with him but sat in a chair in the wings and only popped his head out during the band introductions.

DrBenway: Two of my prized possessions are an original Ork Records 45 of Little Johnny Jewel

Although I am no big fan of Television, THAT is a very cool piece of vinyl you got there.

Oh Jesus, would everyone just shut the hell up with all your "I'm smarter and hipper than Legs MacNeil and Lester Bangs combined" crap and just enjoy the Stooges at the legendary Midsummers Night Rock Festival. It's a seminal performance and was unlike anything anyone had seen at that point.

And for the record, James Osterberg was actually born in Ypsilanti, MI. (Oh, crap, I just did it myself!)

Regarding the video clip: throughout his life Stiv Bators swore up and down he was the one who handed Iggy the peanut butter. No one who knew Stiv believes that for a second! But he was adamant.

As for Iggy, he is clearly, and without question, the #1 influence on what is commonly called "punk". The Stooges were the Ramones biggest influence, the Pistols biggest influence, the Dead Boys biggest influence, and remain a huge influence still.

You can trace roots of punk before Iggy (In fact his biggest influence was Jim Morrison! And bands like the Seeds and Sonics...) but The Stooges clearly were the apex of the beginnings of punk.

Most amazing thing -- he is still doing it as ferociously as he always has. Go see him.

ghoulie_mask

My point of contention was with the headline. The Stooges influence is significant, but they were not the first by a long shot.

CDP:

Punk Rock?


Groovy Joe Poovey, baby! Oh yeah!

DrBenway: Dynascape:

Screw i. Television is sill one of my favorie bands. Very ani-70s in a weird way. Besides. Marquee Moon is amazing.


I hink I lisened o ha album every day for a year afer I go a copy. Had read abou hem bu hadn' heard hem; someone I worked wih was pesering me o go see Peer Gabriel on his firs solo our, and I was on he fence unil I heard ha Television was opening. Seeing hem before I'd even heard heir music was one of hose "momens" ha changed a lo of hings for me music-wise. Had some prey good argumens wih friends who over heir meris afer he show... go he "farking garage band" blas from a leas one of hem.

Two of my prized possessions are an original Ork Records 45 of Lile Johnny Jewel and a aered record company poser for Marquee Moon.

Oh yeah, and Peer Gabriel wasn' bad eiher! Fripp played wih him bu sa in a chair in he wings and only popped his head ou during he band inroducions.

Im oo young o see half of he bands I waned o. Alhough I do have a Television album made of Green Vinyl. I's some weird press from he 90s by some no-name company.

Id have o say my prized punk relaed iem is he Alernaive Tenacles 45 of California Uber Alles/Man Wih he Dogs by he Dead Kennedys wih he original arwork wih i.

Or my bea o hell Dead Boys album. Some of ha shia is hard o find.

Or my original American Issue album of The Clash.

...he lis goes on. I have one of he bes punk vinyl collecions I know. I isn haefully big, bu a lo of ha suff go desroyed a long ime ago.

Is there a reason the letter T is missing on that post in random spots?

Dynascape: Is there a reason the letter T is missing on that post in random spots?

It's Fark April Fool's nonsense. Watch where you post too. It might end up in another thread. Also, that damn picture of a guinea pig in the server tower keeps popping up at random.

Dynascape: Is there a reason the letter T is missing on that post in random spots?

check you calendar

DrBenway: CDP:

Punk Rock?


Groovy Joe Poovey, baby! Oh yeah!


Yes, I had the privilege of working with him at KNON radio.
Learned a lot about music and life from that man.
One of the best men I have ever known, and a damned good picker and songwriter.

The Dynamite Monkey:

Although I am no big fan of Television, THAT is a very cool piece of vinyl you got there.

Yeah, and I'm guessing a certain Farker would crap his pants if he found out I have a bootleg LP of the demos that Brian Eno produced for them before Andy Johns got involved.


Dynascape:

Nailed by the Fool's Day Filter!

I've got some colored vinyl on them too. I think almost all of it was put out by the UK branch of Elektra -- 12" singles, limited copies of Marquee Moon and Adventure. Have a large "Young Loud and Snotty" Dead Boys poster, some Pistols posters, whole buncha crap from back then.

CDP: Poonk Ruck?




Vuoold leeke-a tu hefe-a a vurd veet yuoo.......

QFT (oor "Thees", iff yuoo'd preffer)

CDP:

Yes, I had the privilege of working with him at KNON radio.
Learned a lot about music and life from that man.
One of the best men I have ever known, and a damned good picker and songwriter.


You are shiatting me! That is at least a hundred kinds of awesome!

CDP: Punk Rock?

Would like to have a word with you.......

It's pretty hard to argue with Hank Williams, or Jerry Lee Lewis, when it comes to attitude. They pretty much defined it.

Waylon Jennings used to tell a story about being on some package tour with a bunch of bands. One night he walked into a hotel room to find Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash and a couple other then-unknown guys playing cards - with guns and liquor on the table as well. Elvis looked up and said "If you're looking for trouble, you've come to the right place."

More talent and general bad-assery in that room than most people could stand, including Waylon. He turned and walked out.

DrBenway: CDP:

Yes, I had the privilege of working with him at KNON radio.
Learned a lot about music and life from that man.
One of the best men I have ever known, and a damned good picker and songwriter.


You are shiatting me! That is at least a hundred kinds of awesome!

Whenever I listen to his music I have trouble believing it also.

I was a smart-a$$ 20 something punk rocker who knew everything about music.
He took me under his wing and showed me an entire world of music out side of Black Flag, Dead Kennedy, ect. That is something that I can never thank him enough for. He showed an entirely different way to listen to, and think about music.

The best thing I can say about "Groovy" Joe Poovey is that I am a better man for having known him.

De Music Machine - "Tawk Tawk" 1966 (new window)

Wiki page (new window)

barefoot in the head: De Music Machine - "Tawk Tawk" 1966

Dig it. I can remember hearing that on AM radio.

That vid would make a good addition to a playlist of vids we can play while throwing kids off our lawns.

Is Fark doing some April Fools thing where I click on one thread and end up on another?

Crewmannumber6: Is Fark doing some April Fools thing where I click on one thread and end up on another?

Yeah, along with some other follies.

Buckle your seatbelt . . .

OldManDownDRoad: Crewmannumber6: Is Fark doing some April Fools thing where I click on one thread and end up on another?

Yeah, along with some other follies.

Buckle your seatbelt . . .

See you tomorrow.

sorry, punk was born in tacoma, wa, in 1960.

barefoot in the head: De Music Machine - "Tawk Tawk" 1966 (new window)

Wiki page (new window)

all hail sean bonniwell! great track and a great video.

that song contains the world's loudest tambourine, btw...

It's all relative to your own life as to what's punk or cool and not punk or whatever.

I saw this whole concert on television and was 10 years old at the time. I didn't identify this with anything except that it was "cool" and even a little scary. But it changed my course in music interests.

(There were a lot of other bands that got my attention that day, Alice Cooper for one...search YouTube for this 1970 Cincinnati concert)

Before this, my music tastes were not that varied; from the Jackson Five, Monkees to the Osmonds. But thanks to my older sister, she would hand over LPs she got tired of like the Easy Rider soundtrack, Iron Butterfly and Rolling Stones. They all changed my perceptions of rock music.

But Iggy and the Stooges were beyond them all. A raw, intense and scary sound that made you feel like you could do anything. Rebellious to the core.

They didn't start "punk", they killed the Sixties.

/.02

OldManDownDRoad: Dig it. I can remember hearing that on AM radio.

FlashHarry: all hail sean bonniwell! great track and a great video.

I was only ten, but the dark and psychedelic music was already my friend. Many nights I played my Emenee Tiger (lol) to the reflection in the window, while listening to the big transistor radio.

Does anyone else think it's funny that Carnival Cruises uses a song about shooting heroin to make families ride their boats?

artman: A raw, intense and scary sound that made you feel like you could do anything. Rebellious to the core.

Damn straight. I got hit in the head by a chair at a show where the band started on a Stooges cover and the room broke out into a near-riot. Nothing fixes me up better from a bad day than some Iggy.