YES YES YES

One of the best concerts I've been to was when NIN opened for David Bowie back in the mid-90's.

Cue the whiny fanboys that are going to act like they are waaay too cool for NIN.

/Huge NIN fan
//Criticize Reznor all you want, he paved the way for countless other bands.

NIN put on one of the best stage shows I've seen, Reznor brings the energy and his drummers always kick ass

/too bad the bass player spent all his time dancing and making rock poses
//if you're not actually playing, get off the farking stage

Cue the inevitable NIN vs. Skinny Puppy flamewar in 3...2...1...

This is great news, and I'm really excited to see them again. The NIN/Bauhaus tour was epic, and Trent always puts on a fantastic live show. Can't wait to see the Year Zero songs in person.

//Criticize Reznor all you want, he paved the way for countless other bands.

By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company. Someone dig out that youtube of Trent Reznor mid 80s and what he was like before he went "industrial" .

Generation_D:
By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company. Someone dig out that youtube of Trent Reznor mid 80s and what he was like before he went "industrial"

Oh please. You ever hear Ministry before they went 'industrial'? Go listen to With Sympathy sometime.

Generation_D: //Criticize Reznor all you want, he paved the way for countless other bands.

By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company. Someone dig out that youtube of Trent Reznor mid 80s and what he was like before he went "industrial" .

Does it really, really matter? I mean I could dig out "Everyday Is Halloween" by Ministry and then go on about how they got their sound from someone else as well.

Arguing about pop music is so like Fark.

ignernt: //Criticize Reznor all you want, he paved the way for countless other bands.

Not so much. More like he (along with Al Jourgensen) introduced "industrial" to mainstream listeners.

Oh please. You ever hear Ministry before they went 'industrial'? Go listen to With Sympathy sometime.

Heard of it? Have it! Love it!!!

One difference, the only one, is Ministry actually sold their crappy glam new romantic album for money. Trent just played in a bar band in Cleveland trying to be pop-u-lar, and failing miserably. Wasn't until he followed in Ministries footsteps, moved to Chicago, got ahold of H-Gun to produce his videos and used Al's microphone recording and mixing techniques, that he too enjoyed Industrial Success. All the while the Einsturstende Neubauten, Front 242 fans howling in disgust at the fake lite industrial being foisted off on the masses.

ya took the bait, sorry.. Probably too subtle a joke to be obvious.

Generation_D: All the while the Einsturstende Neubauten, Front 242 fans howling in disgust at the fake lite industrial being foisted off on the masses.

ya took the bait, sorry.. Probably too subtle a joke to be obvious.

And you continue to be very silly. Front 242 was decried as not being "industrial" when they came out. It was too "pop" and "dance" oriented so people started calling it "electronic body music" or "EBM" for short.

Pretty soon someone is going to join this thread with a recording of some dude pounding on a piece of metal with a hammer in 1932 and claiming someone stole his "industrial" sound.

I'm going back to enjoying my :Zoviet*France: collection now. :P

//my lawn, get off it

Generation_D: Oh please. You ever hear Ministry before they went 'industrial'? Go listen to With Sympathy sometime.

Heard of it? Have it! Love it!!!

One difference, the only one, is Ministry actually sold their crappy glam new romantic album for money. Trent just played in a bar band in Cleveland trying to be pop-u-lar, and failing miserably. Wasn't until he followed in Ministries footsteps, moved to Chicago, got ahold of H-Gun to produce his videos and used Al's microphone recording and mixing techniques, that he too enjoyed Industrial Success. All the while the Einsturstende Neubauten, Front 242 fans howling in disgust at the fake lite industrial being foisted off on the masses.

ya took the bait, sorry.. Probably too subtle a joke to be obvious.


H-Gun's loft was fun. The back wall was glass blocks, and when the El ran by outside, the sparks would light them up and put on a show.

Trent was actually Al's new toy for a while, when he went to hang out with Revco, right around the time Supernaut/Hey Asshole was released (1000 Homo DJ's). I don't think Trent ever ripped off Al as much as Al assimilated Trent, then filled him with dumb ideas about how to do speed metal with machines. Trent actually had the balls, sometime in 1991 or 1992, to publicly diss Frontline Assembly for their use of 16th-note basslines and other classical (for EBM) techniques in a magazine interview at one point, which is right around the time he started sucking the high hard one, not to redeem himself for nearly a decade. Pretty Hate Machine, while good (best breakup album ever), was a laundry list of tricks lifted from Adrian Sherwood's curriculum vitae. A lot of us expected more of that, and what we got was Broken/Fixed.

Oh, and if you want to know what the 'Chicago scene' was all about, pick up "Concrete, Bulletproof, Invisible + Fried" by Chris Connelly. It's a good read, especially if you've met the people or been to the places.

I'm tired of all the garbage about where NIN came from or who people think they're ripping off. It doesn't matter. Reznor continues to dramatically change his sound from album to album, while remaining relevant and holding on to his fan base. You can't tell me this sounds like ministry or skinny puppy.

I remember seeing NIN at The Bomb Factory in Dallas back in '94. The opening act was no one anyone had ever heard of. I can remember laughing at the lead singer when he came out on stage. He was a scrawny looking guy with black grease paint highlighting his ribs and he was walking with a cane. Turns out it was Marilyn Manson. Rarely do I ever admit to seeing him in concert, but I do have the excuse that I was actually there to see Nine Inch Nails.


/NIN's opening song was Terrible Lie

By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company. Someone dig out that youtube of Trent Reznor mid 80s and what he was like before he went "industrial"

Someone dig up a copy of Twitch before Jorgensen met Albini and dramatically watered down Big Black's noise and power.

NIN's first album was pretty damn good, however I can NEVER EVER forgive Trent Reznor for paving the way for dumbfarks like Marilyn Manson to become popular. Trent, you seem like a cool guy, but out of sheer principle I'm going to have to ask you to DIAF.

SockMonkeyHolocaust: By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company. Someone dig out that youtube of Trent Reznor mid 80s and what he was like before he went "industrial"

Someone dig up a copy of Twitch before Jorgensen met Albini and dramatically watered down Big Black's noise and power.

Most of Jourgensen's work in the 90's was his attempt to save face with the punk rock crowd and get back a little of the street cred he lost from "selling out" to Arista. That and the combined effects of anger and drugs.

Generation_D: By ripping off Ministry to the point of using their mixing style and their video company.

Al Jourgensen I suspect would feel differently.

H-Gun to produce his videos

They also did lots of other peoples videos, namely Eric Zimmerman directed lots of videos. And Zimmerman has a very distinct style.

stjohn: drugs.

This, these.

I met Al once, and I have never seen someone that whacked on drugs. And I could tell, that he wasn't as out of it as he got.

wow. interesting thread.

Speaking of H-Gun, Ben Stokes is now touring with Meat Beat Manifesto running the video show...they play my hometown in late April.

No Purpose, No Design

mutilato: wow. interesting thread.

Where? Do you have a link?

He should get the Exotic Birds back together.

Link (new window)

Around 1:20

mutilato: wow. interesting thread.


I I think I still have pieces of your Oberheim from the St Andrew's show in Detroit in 92ish. Don't remember the year exactly. I think it was the year before or the same year you guys opened for NIN at Latin Quarter. Most of it went into a wall display at the Nectarine in Ann Arbor.

Gratch: Cue the inevitable NIN vs. Skinny Puppy flamewar in 3...2...1...


I'll bite: say what you will about Trent copying SP (*yawn*, he sampled Dig It... not that you would notice without someone telling you), but the last two NIN albums (including Ghosts) are a fark of a lot better than the reformed SP albums.

It's like each of you has one piece of the puzzle, and you're all arguing over who has the entire picture.

/hint: none of you do!

For the record, I'm actually a huge fan of both bands (unpossible, I know). Got into them both pretty late (hell, The Process was the first SP album I heard), so I didn't know I was supposed to hate one and love the other.

That said, I rather enjoy the new output from both. Mythmaker is far better than Greater Wrong of the Right, but both are pretty good. They just sound like music made by sober 40-year-olds instead of stoned-to-the-gills 20-somethings. Seems to me like they disappointed all the SP fans expecting the next Last Rights, but I actually like their new sound. Then again, I was a big fan of the Ohgr solo stuff as well. To each their own, I suppose. FWIW, the live show for the Mythmaker tour was easily the best concert I've ever seen. Absolutely amazing...

Both Ghosts and Year Zero were albums that I initially didn't really like, but now I absolutely love. Very interested to see if/how he'll include them in the next tour. I'm sure people would be screaming bloody murder, but I think a 2 hour Ghosts only show (with accompanying visuals) would be extremely cool. Especially since the playlist the last 3 times I saw NIN live was nearly identical. They'd add a few songs off the most recent album, but everything else stayed exactly the same.

hockeyfarker:

Or he could start Option 30 up again (bad sound quality)

Gratch: They just sound like music made by sober 40-year-olds instead of stoned-to-the-gills 20-somethings. Seems to me like they disappointed all the SP fans expecting the next Last Rights
I thought Last Rights was pretty over-rated. But I think people are disappointed in that the new SP sounds more or less like Ohgr outtakes. Not necessarily a bad thing, but what exactly does Cevin contribute to the new albums? And though I recall liking the first Ohgr album (never got around to getting the second one), I also recall it being kind of half-great, half-crap. Guess which side the SP leans towards?


not to mention it's a huge disappointment compared to Frozen Sky (from one of Cevin's solo albums).

Really? Are we still having this Ministry vs NIN vs Skuppy discussion? Really?

I wonder if NIN's biggest legacy is still in the making. If rumors are to be believed, the Ghosts album and its distribution scheme has caught the interest of a lot of forward thinking bands, and has provided a counterpoint to Radiohead's Rainbows experiment. True, only a band with a big base could make that amount of money from it, but as recording gets cheaper, I dunno.... I think Reznor might be remembered as instrumental (HAHAGEDDIT?) in indicating the general contours of the music environment of the future

stjohn: mutilato: wow. interesting thread.


I I think I still have pieces of your Oberheim from the St Andrew's show in Detroit in 92ish. Don't remember the year exactly. I think it was the year before or the same year you guys opened for NIN at Latin Quarter. Most of it went into a wall display at the Nectarine in Ann Arbor.

Well, I'm glad it had a suitable resting place. ;)

Violet Son: Really? Are we still having this Ministry vs NIN vs Skuppy discussion? Really?

I wonder if NIN's biggest legacy is still in the making. If rumors are to be believed, the Ghosts album and its distribution scheme has caught the interest of a lot of forward thinking bands, and has provided a counterpoint to Radiohead's Rainbows experiment. True, only a band with a big base could make that amount of money from it, but as recording gets cheaper, I dunno.... I think Reznor might be remembered as instrumental (HAHAGEDDIT?) in indicating the general contours of the music environment of the future

People seem to forget indie bands/artists have been doing exactly what Radiohead and Trent Reznor are doing for years. Hell, I'm a nobody but I've had my stuff up for download, with optional donation, since 2001, when I barely even knew what an mp3 was.

So he's reforming... himself? I wasn't aware NIN was much more than Reznor and a bunch of touring studio musicians.

I didn't know the touring band had broken up...

danduran: People seem to forget indie bands/artists have been doing exactly what Radiohead and Trent Reznor are doing for years. Hell, I'm a nobody but I've had my stuff up for download, with optional donation, since 2001, when I barely even knew what an mp3 was.

I remember an interview with Scott "Buddy" Thompson on NPR after Ellen Degeneres decided to come out of the closet. His remark when asked for a comment was, "Oh wow, I wish I would have thought of that years ago."

People seem to forget indie bands/artists have been doing exactly what Radiohead and Trent Reznor are doing for years. Hell, I'm a nobody but I've had my stuff up for download, with optional donation, since 2001, when I barely even knew what an mp3 was.

You said it yourself: indie. Reznor could be a big facilitator toward making indie methods of distribution the predominant form. You aren't in a position to sound the death knell of major label tyranny, but NIN might be.

/cue goth-nerds arguing about whether Reznor is a faker-wannabe or a music god or some shiat

Just kidding! Don't slit your wrists or anything

i thought Trent IS Nine Inch Nails.

Great composer, great producer, decent lyricist... gods awful singer. Compare his singing of Animal to Weird Al's. They basically have the same voice.

Bhasayate: /cue goth-nerds arguing about whether Reznor is a faker-wannabe or a music god or some shiat

Just kidding! Don't slit your wrists or anything

Haha, yeah I remember 1992 and frequently reference it in my posts on the internet too, bro.

ProgScape: I didn't know the touring band had broken up...

Me neither, considering I just saw them live last summer in Belgium.

I will say this- for my money Tool is the best 'big' act for live shows. However, I saw NIN open for Tool at the aforementioned festival and I have to give them the nod for being the better act that night. Maynard was struggling with a throat infection and it showed. Trent had it together though and really put on a satisfying show for such a large outdoor venue. I wouldn't mind seeing him again.

/listening to Ghosts right now

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Bhasayate: /cue goth-nerds arguing about whether Reznor is a faker-wannabe or a music god or some shiat

Just kidding! Don't slit your wrists or anything

Haha, yeah I remember 1992 and frequently reference it in my posts on the internet too, bro.

oh that hurt. get it?

/nerd

The Fragile will always be one of the best albums I own

KellyLockhart: One of the best concerts I've been to was when NIN opened for David Bowie back in the mid-90's.

Same here. I had to travel around 700 miles (one-way) to see that show, but I would do it again in a second.

FooWho: KellyLockhart: One of the best concerts I've been to was when NIN opened for David Bowie back in the mid-90's.

Same here. I had to travel around 700 miles (one-way) to see that show, but I would do it again in a second.

Actually it would probably take you twelve hours

/including food and restroom breaks
//more if you stop at wally world

The Fragile Rocked

AaronK: The Fragile Rocked

HELL yes.

The Fraggles > The Fragile

sonnyboy11: However, I saw NIN open for Tool

My mind asploded

/that would be so farking awesome

Jedi_Templar: sonnyboy11: However, I saw NIN open for Tool

My mind asploded

/that would be so farking awesome

You have bad taste

/NTTAWWT

I saw their With Teeth show in Rochester a couple years ago as a birthday present. It was an incredible show, but I was shocked when NIN came on and I saw that Trent had completely shaved his hair. Not sure why he did that, it wasn't a great look on him IMO.
But they put on an amazing show, especially when Trent did Hurt with just a piano accompaniment.

/A ++ would see again