Woot, someone nailed right with the ironic-tag.

I'm pretty sure nearly all of them are the same thing. There's only so many ways to say "no copying sh*t"

/though I bet none of 'em use that phrase

Beautiful.

Sort of like me wanting to buy a video camera, go to a theater and record the anti-piracy message they force paying customers to watch and then put it on the internet.

Not ironic.

pipelias: Not ironic.

No, this most definitely is ironic.

How many ways can you really say "don't cheat, or you are farked, got it?"

/That turnitin.com guy can kiss my ass.

ctrl C, ctrl V

So I take it that the University's plagiarism honor code was found to be plagiarized.

FTA:The No. 1 source is Wikipedia.org, an online reference where any user can write and edit entries. [Citation needed]

if you plagarize your doctoral thesis and it's discovered at any time, they will take away your doctorate.
i haven't researched this, so take it with a grain of salt, but my professor once told me they discovered dr. martin luther king, jr. plagarized his thesis and they only recently discovered this.
of course, as the man is clearly the best choice for any honorary doctorate award, it's not much of a big deal.

As referenced in the article, how does one go about becoming a "cheating expert"?

And where is the writer's citation crediting the cheating expert's assertions and credentials?

The media is just as bad college students.

/Jayson Blair

It was a draft. This only becomes a big deal if the university approves and adopts the honor code as it stands, which clearly will not happen.

But the article is dead on that many students today do not understand that they must cite sources for ideas that come from other sources.

This group of students probably will not have a problem in the future, I'm guessing. We all learn from making mistakes. It's even smarter to learn from other people's mistakes.

The RIAA is most displeased.

billgx: But the article is dead on that many students today do not understand that they must cite sources for ideas that come from other sources.

They have to cite words taken verbatim from a text, not "ideas" they got while researching. That's ridiculous.

Do you have to cite your teacher for the title, since he gave you the idea to write on that particular subject?

jgeisle: ...The media is just as bad college students.

/Jayson Blair

That's why professors prefer peer reviewed journals as sources in research papers.

Wow, a discussion on information literacy on Fark... I'm lovin' it!

vgss:
They have to cite words taken verbatim from a text, not "ideas" they got while researching. That's ridiculous.

Do you have to cite your teacher for the title, since he gave you the idea to write on that particular subject?

You could find yourself getting into trouble with this line of thinking. Paraphrasing without citation is usually unacceptable.

vgss: billgx: But the article is dead on that many students today do not understand that they must cite sources for ideas that come from other sources.

They have to cite words taken verbatim from a text, not "ideas" they got while researching. That's ridiculous.

Do you have to cite your teacher for the title, since he gave you the idea to write on that particular subject?

If you get an idea from reading a particular paper - you don't have to necessarily 'cite' it (since there's probably no specific spot to cite it in-text), however, it should be included in your list of references, as it was a source of information used in creating your paper.

Friggin' loved my honor code at school.

No teachers watching you on tests (usually they'd chill in the hallway or their office if you had questions), you could work together to figure out sh-t but had to do your own lap reports and analysis... but on the top of every test, write "I have neither given nor received aid on this examination [signed, your name]"

First: If you saw something, you had to anonymously report it. If you know the engineer you're working with after you graduate is f--king up, it should be the same thing, so it makes sense.
Second: If you were caught, the first offense punishment was usually "don't do it again / learned your lesson?". The second time you were caught, out the door you go. You got your extra chance.

The liberal arts kids were always pissed off about that, even though surveys said way fewer engineers actually DID cheat... so how about that, it worked, and without treating us like children who can't be trusted.

Good times.

Street - I love that example! I might even start doing that on exams I give in my class. It sure fosters a spirit of trust. Too many times, these attempts at building academic integrity programs breed mistrust.

pipelias: Not ironic.

I find it ironic you don't think so.

If you were caught, the first offense punishment was usually "don't do it again / learned your lesson?". The second time you were caught, out the door you go. You got your extra chance.

Wow, mild. At my first university I went too it was instantly expelled. The second you got kicked off the course and given an F on the first cheating offense. The second expelled. What is this second chance mentality? Of course going back to college here in the US, I was horrified by the lack of knowledge about citing sources and they ones they got where from horrifying places that would have got me laughed out of university if I had tried them back when I was younger.

So I take it that the University's plagiarism honor code was found to be plagiarized.

had to do your own lap reports and analysis ...

Heh heh,
I've analyzed me a few laps in my time!

My general chemistry students are horrible horrible horrible in this regard. I assign make up reports when they miss a lab - typically some chemistry related current event/discovery.

I tell them explicitly I will check their report versus the internet - and I will even bet them I can find the exact webpage they copied it from in one search - I find it in one search string and they flunk. I'm like 29 for 30 the last two years.


The one problem I have with modern plagarism tho is that when communicating a basic idea that might be in any document relating to the subject matter at hand we've reached the point where you can basically compare a sentence in the report to just about every damn thing ever written on the subject. In a 15 to twenty word sentence there are only so many ways and so many words that an idea can be written. When "enough" documents are on the interent it will become basically impossible to write a unique sentence to summarize an idea. So if the threshold for plagarism is set to "this sentence is gramatically similar/identicle to this other non-cited, source we will ALL be plagarizing everything we write. Feel free to plagarize the preceeding paragraph at will.

Streetlight: Right up until you said "second chance", I was wondering if you went to W&L. They have an honor code where the students run the whole system, and there is but one penalty: death expulsion. I think it's stated that "There is no rule but that every student be a gentleman" or however that would be worded to include the ladies.

See I avoid getting kicked out of school for plagiarism by not writing papers at all. That way I get kicked out for laziness, which is more socially acceptable than cheating.

/that's how the smart people do it

vgss: billgx: But the article is dead on that many students today do not understand that they must cite sources for ideas that come from other sources.

They have to cite words taken verbatim from a text, not "ideas" they got while researching. That's ridiculous.

Do you have to cite your teacher for the title, since he gave you the idea to write on that particular subject?

Oh God. This is why our education system is so farked. If you don't understand that you have to cite "ideas" then you are a farking idiot.

So I take it that the University's plagiarism honor code was found to be plagiarized.

Woot, someone nailed right with the ironic-tag.

if you plagarize your doctoral thesis and it's discovered at any time, they will take away your doctorate.
i haven't researched this, so take it with a grain of salt, but my professor once told me they discovered dr. martin luther king, jr. plagarized his thesis and they only recently discovered this.
of course, as the man is clearly the best choice for any honorary doctorate award, it's not much of a big deal.

Fizpez:


The one problem I have with modern plagarism tho is that when communicating a basic idea that might be in any document relating to the subject matter at hand we've reached the point where you can basically compare a sentence in the report to just about every damn thing ever written on the subject. In a 15 to twenty word sentence there are only so many ways and so many words that an idea can be written. When "enough" documents are on the interent it will become basically impossible to write a unique sentence to summarize an idea. So if the threshold for plagarism is set to "this sentence is gramatically similar/identicle to this other non-cited, source we will ALL be plagarizing everything we write. Feel free to plagarize the preceeding paragraph at will.

exactly. I'm in college now, and if you don't cite something then its most likely plagiarized unless its an opinion of yours.

Gotta love my Alma Mater! Go Roadrunners! Show us your Peckers!

But wait... You can't copyright an honor code, anymore than a state can copyright a law. If you copy some other organization's rules to use as your own, what harm is done? It is a tribute to the originator, nothing more. A rule, law or code has no monetary value to its author, and it should be public domain. To clutter a rule with "citations" and references would be to make it less clear, less meaningful and less likely to be followed. Consider the number of educational institutions, and then consider whether there are that many unique ways of stating the obvious.

/asinine tag shakes its head in disgust

FTA:"words is property "

Jesus-F*ck. No wonder kids today are retarded.

Young people today have a different understanding of what in the way of ideas and words is property that can be taken without authorization.

3rdorderofsimulacra: FTA:"words is property "

Jesus-F*ck. No wonder kids today are retarded.

The full quote: "Young people today have a different understanding of what in the way of ideas and words is property that can be taken without authorization."

A pair of commas may have made the sentence clearer, but the speaker is not retarded. Only the reader.

Caeldan
vgss: billgx: But the article is dead on that many students today do not understand that they must cite sources for ideas that come from other sources.

They have to cite words taken verbatim from a text, not "ideas" they got while researching. That's ridiculous.

Do you have to cite your teacher for the title, since he gave you the idea to write on that particular subject?

If you get an idea from reading a particular paper - you don't have to necessarily 'cite' it (since there's probably no specific spot to cite it in-text), however, it should be included in your list of references, as it was a source of information used in creating your paper.

The way I usually see it done in academic papers is to put a footnote with a brief sentence explaining that this particular idea came from that particular source, whether the source is another paper, a lecture, or even just a conversation. This only happens when the idea is specific: e.g., it's someone else's idea but I was the one who actually sat down and worked out the paper. There's no citation when someone says something that sparks the idea in you, however.

According to the headline, written by submitter. A university has found a problem of plagiarism found in it's plagiarism honor code.

Now please forgive my sentence fragment.

pipelias: Not ironic.

This absolutely is ironic. Explain why you think it isn't ironic.

Oh come on now, they are just words!

/Sorry
//Hates Hillary

Over half of the cheating hits come from the Internet, the other half from student papers and about 1 percent from the stuff you might find in a library

That dude needs to go back to college and get some math education.

over 50% + 50% + 1% = over 101%

Chastain86: pipelias: Not ironic.

I find it ironic you don't think so.

Who're you calling an i... ron?

Hang On Voltaire: pipelias: Not ironic.

This absolutely is ironic. Explain why you think it isn't ironic.

Because 'ironic' is a traffic jam when you're already late, or 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Hang On Voltaire: pipelias: Not ironic.

This absolutely is ironic. Explain why you think it isn't ironic.

How ironic.

Now I understand why it is easier to get into UTSA then community college.

Yeah yeah typo... whatver

drunkennewfiemidget: Chastain86: pipelias: Not ironic.

I find it ironic you don't think so.

Who're you calling an i... ron?

Hang On Voltaire: pipelias: Not ironic.

This absolutely is ironic. Explain why you think it isn't ironic.

Because 'ironic' is a traffic jam when you're already late, or 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

It's like meeting the man woman of your dreams, and then meeting her beautiful wife

/isn't it ironic
//don't you think

I am not sure this is ironic. Importing a decent plagiarism policy from elsewhere is not cheating. Besides, I bet the source is cited in the university senate meeting that decided which policy to use, which makes it a quote.

superlawyergirl: my professor once told me they discovered dr. martin luther king, jr. plagarized his thesis

That's quite a shock. Have you read King's books (and not just what he wrote in the margins of newspapers...)? The man was incredibly articulate and educated (and obviously driven).* He could have easily produced a thesis. If the plagiarism were true, I'd wager that his advisors told him to copy-and-paste because he wasn't as capable, being black; it was the only way he could get respect from his advisory committee. That's just a theory though. I'm basing this on having read other black intellectuals describe their college/graduate lives...

^{*I feel like he needs defending here for some reason. I guess it would be hilarious if somebody started to claim MLK was a lazy unread troglodyte...}