I'm confused.

I thought he already won those awhile back

The committee that meets and makes all the caucus results official just met.

Remove all Republicans: She finally admits losing them, or more accurately, the world has now realized that they "don't matter."

I just skimmed the article and it almost sounded like the JUST finished. not just made it official or just finished counting.

/lives in an other state that doesn't matter

I'm pleased to have done my part to make Texas not matter.

/Two hours well spent

Hillary: Give. The. Fark. Up. You can't win. The best you can do now is fark up the party even more, and possibly give McCain the Presidency. Your campaign is a joke, focused on blind attempts at smearing, with the occasional focus on a 'big' state. Hell, you can't even SWIFTBOAT someone right...The whole Rev. Wright thing was a major issue for what, a week or two? If you get the nomination (By cheating or a miracle), you WILL NOT WIN the presidency. Enough Republicans loathe the very Clinton name, as do some Democrats, and even more from both parties loathe your 'politics'.

Oh, and being the wife of a president IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE.

/Of course, even if I yelled this in her ear with a megaphone, she'd ignore it

LordJiro: The best you can do now is fark up the party even more, and possibly give McCain the Presidency.

A lot of people think this is her current "Plan B" - the Democrats have a rarely-broken policy of never running someone for president twice. If they lose, that's it. So by sabotaging Obama's election here, she sets herself up to run again in 2012 against the Republican incumbent McCain. Depending on how badly domestic and foreign policy has stumbled since then, she may be banking that people will vote for her as the "lesser of two evils" in such an election. 2012 is the last time she could be considered viable to run, since past that point she will be too old to avoid questions of her health and ability to serve the term. So it's possible she's banking on making that happen then, at the expense of Obama now.

I wouldn't put it past the Democratic Leadership Council to try that sort of nonsense.

log_jammin: I just skimmed the article and it almost sounded like the JUST finished. not just made it official or just finished counting.

From what I can tell, there's a lot of steps in the caucus process. The main event with actual people was a while back. They chose delegates to go to county conventions, which is what happened today. The county conventions choose delegates to go to the state convention, which then chooses the final national convention delegates. So today's level of events still had a lot of people involved. Many of them probably don't know what they're doing, and technically don't have to represent the person they were chosen for.

Drakkenmaw: 2012 is the last time she could be considered viable to run, since past that point she will be too old to avoid questions of her health and ability to serve the term.

She'll still be younger in 2016 than McCain is now.

/just sayin'

Drakkenmaw: A lot of people think this is her current "Plan B"

Very risky plan. It's quite difficult to unseat an incumbent president. Even with people not being very happy with GWB they still put him back into office for another 4 years, tinfoil hat theory not withstanding.

Things are pretty dismal right now. All McCain would have to do is make marginal improvements and Hillarys' chance of seeing the inside of the oval office again would be in the negative numbers.

LordJiro: Hillary: Give. The. Fark. Up. You can't win. The best you can do now is fark up the party even more, and possibly give McCain the Presidency. Your campaign is a joke, focused on blind attempts at smearing, with the occasional focus on a 'big' state. Hell, you can't even SWIFTBOAT someone right...The whole Rev. Wright thing was a major issue for what, a week or two? If you get the nomination (By cheating or a miracle), you WILL NOT WIN the presidency. Enough Republicans loathe the very Clinton name, as do some Democrats, and even more from both parties loathe your 'politics'.

Oh, and being the wife of a president IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE.

/Of course, even if I yelled this in her ear with a megaphone, she'd ignore it

Hell no she wouldn't ignore it. She'd smile to your face, tell the public that you don't think for yourself, and later on you'd be found dead of apparent suicide.

LordJiro

Elections in America turn on a dime. If she has to be the nominee, we'll be better off for not tearing her down. I wish Gore and Kerry would have fought this hard for it.

The tally by county.

Credit due to TFer Jragghen for the find.

Number41: She'll still be younger in 2016 than McCain is now.

And McCain is often called a victim of senility or Alzheimer's by commentators, with some focus put on who he chooses as VP simply in case he dies in office. Now add that to the problems already faced by any Clinton running for office, and you'd see why it would be even more difficult to run Hillary again the further it gets into the future.

2008 was "her time." 2012 is "her last chance." Given a group and an individual so dependent upon the necessity of regaining major political office (the powers of the DLC are waning as their figureheads fall to grassroots "50 staters"), it would make sense for them to try almost anything to make sure they have every chance possible to win.

epijunkie67: Very risky plan. It's quite difficult to unseat an incumbent president. Even with people not being very happy with GWB they still put him back into office for another 4 years, tinfoil hat theory not withstanding.

Things are pretty dismal right now. All McCain would have to do is make marginal improvements and Hillarys' chance of seeing the inside of the oval office again would be in the negative numbers.

Considering that the DLC (and the Clintons) really need a win, and soon, to avoid irrelevance I could easily see them attempting it. Especially if they manage to convince people that there are flaws in the Dean grassroots movement in the process of going after that brass ring. Most moves in the national government aren't felt in four years anyway, and we're only on the edge of the precipice right now - we aren't even officially in recession yet. If this is a strategy they're attempting, they're probably betting on being able to claim responsibility for any improvements McCain managed to bring about while casting any problems onto the legacy of his and Bush's administrations.

It remains to be seen exactly what will happen, but few people in the political arena actually make the choice to fade peacefully into obscurity. If there's a chance, no matter how repugnant or risky, it's better to most politicos than having no chance at all.

They were clearly miscategorized for a while if they weren't already on that list.

It's already on the list of states that suck.

I need to google this tonight

damn it, subby I got excited because I took that headline literally and then actually RTFA.

Rovian:

Elections in America turn on a dime.

It is mathmatically impossible for Clinton to win at this point. The undecided Supers aren't going to back her at the risk of both their re-election and the elections of their fellow Democrats. The Supers Clinton has are primarily the unelected party insiders who are remnants from the DLC's reign. After Hillary loses you'll probably see these same insiders "retire" or just out and out replaced.

Hillary is in your parties, destroying your morale!

After participating in my precinct's caucus, the stuff in the article really doesn't surprise me at all..

It was a joke. I believe only one person had ever been to a caucus before, there were no party officials, or any leadership of any kind - apparently a rule book was left on a table and we pretty much did it all ourselves. Of course we didn't do it right, and most likely it won't count. There were even a few Ron Paul supporters there trying to get their say in during the democratic caucus...

Anyway, the bottom line as far as I'm concerned is, Caucus = Clusterfark. That's about the best description of it there is.

If Obama comes out ahead, great, since he's who I was supporting. But seriously, rather than use an archaic, completely obfuscated process, Texas should just stick to the damn normal primary.

That makes it 25 % of the states don't matter as of today

this won't make hillary back down, she's a fighter!



/and mccain is a maverick
//sure, whatever

OH YEA, Who did she fight ?.. Sounds like another bull-sheit story...

Drakkenmaw: she sets herself up to run again in 2012

2012 ia also the supposed "end of the world" because that's as far as the Mayan calendar goes.

Coincidence???

/tin-foil hat time!
//don't really believe that whole 2012 thing
///dude probably just got tired of chipping dates in stone

TFA says Obama "may end up leading the overall delegate count"

/likes Obama, but for heaven's sake, RTFA subby.

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the right-wingers I mocked back in the 90s for what I considered to be their extreme and irrational hostility towards Hillary Clinton.

I still don't agree with you on much, if anything, else. But I was wrong, and you guys were absolutely spot-on, about this malignant biatch.

Skeptos: I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the right-wingers I mocked back in the 90s for what I considered to be their extreme and irrational hostility towards Hillary Clinton.

I still don't agree with you on much, if anything, else. But I was wrong, and you guys were absolutely spot-on, about this malignant biatch.

she's helping to bring us all together.

in hatred of her.

Drakkenmaw

A lot of people think this is her current "Plan B" - the Democrats have a rarely-broken policy of never running someone for president twice. If they lose, that's it. So by sabotaging Obama's election here, she sets herself up to run again in 2012 against the Republican incumbent McCain.

Even if this is her plan the truth is she won't win then either. If McCain scrapes by Obama then she will be branded as a spoiler worse than Nader. Her attempts to torpedo Obama at the expense of her own party won't sit well after a Democratic loss. The fact is that the race is over and she is clinging on hoping for a miracle because she will not have this chance again.

Murkanen

It is mathmatically impossible for Clinton to win at this point. The undecided Supers aren't going to back her

Which is back to what I said, that anything can happen at this point. Another scandal, etc the supers can still vote for who they want to. Its not impossible, thats why we have this system. It might turn out that neither one of them wins.

Give Hillary the microphone - it is time for the fact lady to sing!

DavIng:

Suck on it, Hillary. Suck it long and suck it hard!



/ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... give up, HillDog

Rovian: Murkanen

It is mathmatically impossible for Clinton to win at this point. The undecided Supers aren't going to back her

Which is back to what I said, that anything can happen at this point. Another scandal, etc the supers can still vote for who they want to. Its not impossible, thats why we have this system. It might turn out that neither one of them wins.

guys, i know we have this hugely popular candidate and the only thing that's keeping him from a complete blowout in november is the party old guard backing him as the candidate. i don't see a problem with this, because i'm so god damned used to losing that it frightens me to pick the winning horse.

you never know what could happen with us. we could kneecap the hands down favorite in the last minute and put the lying hated woman up for the nomination. or we could, in a moment of complete brilliance, put some guy that hasn't been campaigning at all to date up against a moderately popular war hero.

i mean, if you're gonna lose, why half-ass it? trust us, we're the democratic party, we know how to do this better than anyone in the world.

Spitzer wannabe: Give Hillary the microphone - it is time for the fact lady to sing!

She doesn't do too good with facts.

If you go to Obama's web site and click on the "State of the Race" link you will see a graphic that shows Texas as an Obama win.

It's not new. It's been that way for weeks.

too2ez: It's not new. It's been that way for weeks.

What's new is that he picked up 5 delegates yesterday.

I'm going to the state convention in Austin as a delegate for Obama, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

What bothers me the most is Obama had a clear strategy to get more delegates based on the proportional allocation. Basically, you can net a whole lot more by focusing on small states while she ignores them and only lose a couple in the big states.

She realizes she got beat and then biatches about the process she agreed to and can't take that the almighty Clintons got out-politicked.

Mentat:
What's new is that he picked up 5 delegates yesterday.

Yep. I just thought it was funny that Texas was part of Hillary's miraculous "comeback" that really wasn't much of a comeback. She lost just about all of her gains within a week or so after March 4.

TMBGfreak: What bothers me the most is Obama had a clear strategy to get more delegates based on the proportional allocation. Basically, you can net a whole lot more by focusing on small states while she ignores them and only lose a couple in the big states.

She realizes she got beat and then biatches about the process she agreed to and can't take that the almighty Clintons got out-politicked.

Makes me wonder how much Barack has to hold in his laughter whenever he states that "she's run a terrific campaign".

Obama's ruining Democrats' chances at the White House, you should all be nominating Hillary and making Obama drop out, yadayada.

/did I miss any hillaryis44 talking points?

Don't *MEH*-ss with Texas.

Submitter: It's official: Texas to be added to the list of states that "don't matter"

Texas mattered once?

themindiswatching: /did I miss any hillaryis44 talking points?

WHY MUST WOMEN CONSTANTLY LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE?!

/cruise control for cool
//still need to steer

Dancin_In_Anson 2008-03-30 07:09:38 AM
The tally by county.



// i bet the old hag is wish'n she had a tallywhacker, right about now

Skeptos: I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to all the right-wingers I mocked back in the 90s for what I considered to be their extreme and irrational hostility towards Hillary Clinton.

I still don't agree with you on much, if anything, else. But I was wrong, and you guys were absolutely spot-on, about this malignant biatch.

Well said. Thank you, sir.

You people can't see Obama's lies for what they are. He's just as political as anyone else, you're just awed by his (moderate) speaking ability. All words, no action. You'd rather a black muslim militant be in the White House than someone who has 35 years experience? What's wrong with you people??!!

Lord_Baull: You people can't see Obama's lies for what they are. He's just as political as anyone else, you're just awed by his (moderate) speaking ability. All words, no action. You'd rather a black muslim militant be in the White House than someone who has 35 years experience? What's wrong with you people??!!

Don't forget racist.

Oh, and not a "Professor."

I figured black muslim militant would automatically include the "racist" label. Didn't want to be redundant.