You'd think she'd pivot back to showing a likable side, chatting with women, weeping, wearing the bright yellows and reds that are thought to appeal to her core following, older women. Well, she's doing that. Yet at the same time, her campaign reveals new levels of thuggishness, though that's the wrong word, for thugs are often effective. This is mere heavy-handedness.

Spot farking on.

Nice op-ed.

This is news? She's ALWAYS been like this.

And I thought I was the only one feeling this way ...

This could have been a perfectly interesting Sunday article and thread for the main politics tab.
/not subby

IF you look like a duck and quack like a duck, having your staff browbeat people to call you a swan only works for a little while and only on some people.

She's still going to win Pennsylvania, thanks to the Ed Rendell machine.

Then she'll move on to Denver and ruin the convention.

President McCain, here we come.

That's funny. Most people call it shameless two-faceism.

DarthBrooks: She's still going to win Pennsylvania, thanks to the Ed Rendell machine.

Then she'll move on to Denver and ruin the convention.

President McCain, here we come.

she might or might not win PA (it's still a few weeks off), but there's no way this goes to the convention. the entirety of the democratic leadership seems to be on the same page about that.

if it isn't decided by the end of the primaries, they will convene the superdelegates and settle it by the end of june.

That's what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).



Pay attention - this is the most important part of the article.

burndtdan: there's no way this goes to the convention. the entirety of the democratic leadership seems to be on the same page about that.

This assumes the Democratic leadership can make Hillary and Bill back down. And that won't happen. The Clintons answer to *nobody* and will order their minions to attack those who defy them.

And their minions have *money* - - the primary fuel of any political party. Watch the kind of reaction from Elton John and Barbra Streisand if Hillary comes under attack.

If this were happening w/a clearly unelectable candidate in the GOP, that person would already be dead.

Jon Snow:

wearing the bright yellows and reds that are thought to appeal to her core following



Why so serious?

Hillary's current course will destroy the Democratic party and leave us with Republicans running both houses and the White House for the next 8 years.

Thank God for Hillary.

Weaver95:

as William Safire said in 1996, by nature

I think the term he used was congenital. As a nattering nabob I have my differences with Mr. Safire but rarely On Language.

Do you think the infamous Prague connection was related to his retiring from the editorial pages?

DarthBrooks: burndtdan: there's no way this goes to the convention. the entirety of the democratic leadership seems to be on the same page about that.

This assumes the Democratic leadership can make Hillary and Bill back down. And that won't happen. The Clintons answer to *nobody* and will order their minions to attack those who defy them.

And their minions have *money* - - the primary fuel of any political party. Watch the kind of reaction from Elton John and Barbra Streisand if Hillary comes under attack.

frankly, it doesn't matter what the clintons have to say about it.

if the democratic party wants to convene the superdelegates on july 1, they'll do it. the superdelegates will vote, one of them will hit the magic number, and become the presumptive nominee. if that is obama, which at this point it certainly looks like it will be, then clinton can stay in the race as long as she wants. the same way ron paul stayed in the race after mccain became the presumptive nominee. that is, just technically hasn't conceded yet, but the race is over.

DarthBrooks: She's still going to win Pennsylvania, thanks to the Ed Rendell machine.

Don't be so sure about that. My fundie-Republican mother in law and all of her friends have registered D so they can vote against Hillary. The Clinton's are very much hated in many circles around here, so much so that folks are willing to risk putting a Mooslim America-hating scary black guy in the White House.

/Gobama!

SherKhan: Weaver95:

as William Safire said in 1996, by nature

I think the term he used was congenital. As a nattering nabob I have my differences with Mr. Safire but rarely On Language.

Do you think the infamous Prague connection was related to his retiring from the editorial pages?

I honestly don't know....but let's not range too far afield on this thread, at least as much as we can help it. I think Hillary's 'dodging sniper fire' story is probably the biggest insight into her mental state we've seen in a long, long time. To tell a lie so easily exposed when one is under such intense investigation....either she arrogantly assumed nobody would fact check her, or she really believed the story herself. either way - it's not a good quality you want to see in a leader. And her half hearted 'oh I was tired and misspoke' excuse was even worse.

Weaver95: To tell a lie so easily exposed when one is under such intense investigation....either she arrogantly assumed nobody would fact check her, or she really believed the story herself. either way - it's not a good quality you want to see in a leader. And her half hearted 'oh I was tired and misspoke' excuse was even worse.

Word.

To sum up: HC most assuredly cannot be trusted to take that call at 3AM...she'll fk it up because she's tired, then think being tired is a legitimate reason to fk up.

Well written piece.

Lionel Mandrake: To sum up: HC most assuredly cannot be trusted to take that call at 3AM...she'll fk it up because she's tired, then think being tired is a legitimate reason to fk up.

No matter how you look at this story (as typical politican exaggeration or psychotic break) one thing is abundantly clear - the stress is getting to Hillary. This story was a *major* screw up. She just managed to hit Obama with that whole racist preacher thing, and then she hobbles herself with this 'I dodged snipers in bosnia' crap.

stupid. extremely stupid. She should have shut the hell up and kept a low profile while that Obama story racked up the negative press.

Wow. You hear that tapping sound? That is the final nail in the coffin of Hillary's campaign. The media is through covering for her and will devour her like the pack of rabid dogs they are. The jig, as they say, is up.


/Yes we can

Weaver95: No matter how you look at this story (as typical politican exaggeration or psychotic break) one thing is abundantly clear - the stress is getting to Hillary. This story was a *major* screw up. She just managed to hit Obama with that whole racist preacher thing, and then she hobbles herself with this 'I dodged snipers in bosnia' crap.

stupid. extremely stupid. She should have shut the hell up and kept a low profile while that Obama story racked up the negative press.

Do you think she'll ever break and truly say something nuts? Like, make a clear racist remark about him, or say something like "but it's my turn!"?

quickdraw: Wow. You hear that tapping sound? That is the final nail in the coffin of Hillary's campaign. The media is through covering for her and will devour her like the pack of rabid dogs they are. The jig, as they say, is up.


/Yes we can

she won't give up. I think she's unable or incapable of admitting that she's lost the campaign. She'll stay in the race until the convention, and push every button/play ever dirty trick she can manage in order to try to win and/or steal the nomination. And when it's all over and it's clear that she's lost....then we shall see the true colors of Mrs. Hillary. Rodam. Clinton.

It will be a day long remembered.

DamnYankees: Do you think she'll ever break and truly say something nuts? Like, make a clear racist remark about him, or say something like "but it's my turn!"?

I think she's pumped too full of chemicals to break up in front of a camera. I also know that she (and her team) are extremely careful to control which members of the press get close to Hillary. And they screen information that gets released. wouldn't surprise me to learn that they've leaned on reporters to get a more favorable slant to Queen Hillary's more colorful outbursts.

But how long can she hide it? The pressure on her has to be incredible. She's a serious control freak and this entire campaign has gone runaway train on her. And Obama is actually winning - she can't continue to deny reality when everyone is constantly throwing facts in her face.

I think when Obama is announced winner, she'll crack.

Weaver95: I think she's pumped too full of chemicals to break up in front of a camera.

Seriously? I think she's on medication? I don't even believe this without some evidence.

eqtworld: What is with starting sentences with "But" or "And" in that article?

What's wrong with it? This isn't 6th grade - we don't to stick to priggish rules of grammar.

Weaver95: she won't give up. I think she's unable or incapable of admitting that she's lost the campaign.

Dude she will still be the imaginary POTUS in her own mind when she is too old to feed herself. The rest of us have to get on with this Real Life thang. A delusion only works as long as you can talk other people into believing it - or at least humoring you.

Those days are past now. She has killed her own campaign with her own imaginary sniper fire.

pew pew pew!

eqtworld: That guy did it no less than 5 times in a one page piece.

"That guy?" I don't have the most positive view of Peggy Noonan, but I am quite sure she is no "guy."

eqtworld: That guy

You lose at reading comprehension or at the very least gender identification.

/jus sayin

DamnYankees: Weaver95: I think she's pumped too full of chemicals to break up in front of a camera.

Seriously? I think she's on medication? I don't even believe this without some evidence.

I find it difficult to believe she ISN'T on medication. Look, the stress of this entire campaign has to be incredible. And Hillary isn't the most personable of players. She doesn't handle stress very well, she's working long hours and has to deal with people she would rather just have shot and stuffed into a rucksack then dumped into a river somewhere.

She's probably on something to help her sleep, that much at least. It wouldn't surprise me to learn she's taking some sort of mood stablizers either. And if she's NOT taking drugs, then her story of dodging snipers gets even MORE interesting.....

New Gallup poll out today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/30/12545/8061/1007/487171

Obama up 52-42. It's his biggest lead ever, the first time he's gone over 50%. Let's hope it keeps up.

Weaver95: I find it difficult to believe she ISN'T on medication. Look, the stress of this entire campaign has to be incredible. And Hillary isn't the most personable of players. She doesn't handle stress very well, she's working long hours and has to deal with people she would rather just have shot and stuffed into a rucksack then dumped into a river somewhere.

She's probably on something to help her sleep, that much at least. It wouldn't surprise me to learn she's taking some sort of mood stablizers either. And if she's NOT taking drugs, then her story of dodging snipers gets even MORE interesting.....

Well, if anyone can prove this, then her campaign is over. You don't think its possible for a reporter to find this out? If it breaks that Hillary is taking some sort of mood pills, she's finish. Sleeping pills I don't really care about.

quickdraw: Those days are past now. She has killed her own campaign with her own imaginary sniper fire.

pew pew pew!

I wonder how her fanatical supporters took that story? Do you think anyone actually believed her?

DamnYankees: Well, if anyone can prove this, then her campaign is over. You don't think its possible for a reporter to find this out? If it breaks that Hillary is taking some sort of mood pills, she's finish. Sleeping pills I don't really care about.

In a weird sort of way, I'd be relieved to find out she was on some sort of medication. It would at least prove she was human. That aside, her medical records are confidential and I wouldn't want to see that confidentiality broken. Not even Hillary deserves that sort of embarrassment.

Weaver95: I wonder how her fanatical supporters took that story? Do you think anyone actually believed her?

Read MyDD sometimes. Yes, they believe her. They think the sniper story means nothing and reflects Hillary's bravery, but Obama calling himself a professor is a horrific lie which deserves to ruin his career.

Weaver95: In a weird sort of way, I'd be relieved to find out she was on some sort of medication. It would at least prove she was human. That aside, her medical records are confidential and I wouldn't want to see that confidentiality broken. Not even Hillary deserves that sort of embarrassment.

I don't mean access her medical records. I mean just get someone on the campaign staff to admit to it. I mean, someone would know besides just her and Bill.

approves:



"It worked for me. Twice!"

DamnYankees: Weaver95: I wonder how her fanatical supporters took that story? Do you think anyone actually believed her?

Read MyDD sometimes. Yes, they believe her. They think the sniper story means nothing and reflects Hillary's bravery, but Obama calling himself a professor is a horrific lie which deserves to ruin his career.

I used to think that Orwell was exaggerating when he coined the term 'doublethink'. But the more I watch the pro-hillary crowd, the more I come to understand what he meant by it.

Weaver95: I wonder how her fanatical supporters took that story? Do you think anyone actually believed her?

Luckily I don't know any - but I'm guessing that they don't care what she says. Its not about what she says its who she is. She is the wife of their favorite ex pres. They don't care how incoherent she is if they can have Bill back.

It's just like women who go back to same lying cheating bag of shiat drunk time and again because they remember a time when he was still good looking and pretended to care.

DamnYankees: I don't mean access her medical records. I mean just get someone on the campaign staff to admit to it. I mean, someone would know besides just her and Bill.

I think her campaign staff is terrified of Hillary.

Weaver95: I used to think that Orwell was exaggerating when he coined the term 'doublethink'. But the more I watch the pro-hillary crowd, the more I come to understand what he meant by it.

I always wondered why it was called doublethink. I can think of a few reasons. (1) The replacement of 'very' with 'doubleplus' and other terms, or (2) the thoughts of one person are 'doubled' into a group so everyone thinks the same, or (3) it requires two stages of thinking - thinking about the reality, and then thinking about how to change the reality into what you want it to be.

The third certainly applies to this campaign.

Weaver95: I wonder how her fanatical supporters took that story? Do you think anyone actually believed her?

Slick Willie was in town last night. Mrs shaman ran into some hillary fans at the supermarket and got into a discussion with them. she asked what it was about Hillary that they liked. They responded with shiat about Obama.

She asked about the bosnia misspeak.... they responded with shiat about Obama.

she asked if they could give her 1 good reason to vote for Hillary and they talked shiat about McCain.

Then they told her about the many old people dying because they have to choose between food or prescriptions. She asked them to name one. They responded with Obama's middle name is Hussein.

quickdraw: Luckily I don't know any - but I'm guessing that they don't care what she says. Its not about what she says its who she is. She is the wife of their favorite ex pres. They don't care how incoherent she is if they can have Bill back.

I think her being a woman is even more important than the connection to Bill. But both are probably true.

Weaver95:

let's not range too far afield on this thread

OK. I'll read the article then. There's a first time for everything.

Mrs. Clinton's top donors sent a letter to the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, warning her in language that they no doubt thought subtle but that reflected a kind of incompetent menace, that her statements on the presidential campaign may result in less money for Democratic candidates


*engage accent #44: Cliche Brooklyn. Format: heavy*

That's a real nice coalition of Democrats ya gots there. It'd be a real shame if sumpin' was to happens to 'em. I know I'd hates to sees it. I knows yous hate to sees it too.

DamnYankees: I always wondered why it was called doublethink. I can think of a few reasons. (1) The replacement of 'very' with 'doubleplus' and other terms, or (2) the thoughts of one person are 'doubled' into a group so everyone thinks the same, or (3) it requires two stages of thinking - thinking about the reality, and then thinking about how to change the reality into what you want it to be.

The third certainly applies to this campaign.

Orwell defined the term as 'reality control'. Here's what he said about it in his novel:

"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."

That seems to describe Hillary's 'sniper fire' story almost perfectly. To know and NOT know that it was a lie at the same time.

DamnYankees: I think her being a woman is even more important than the connection to Bill. But both are probably true.

I am beginning to wonder about that. I just don't see that kind of blind vaginal loyalty to say - Condoleeza Rice or Pelosi. I think its not a enough to see a woman as Prez. The want to see a Humiliated Wife arise to the highest office of the land. It gives them hope that their lives might not turn out like shiat.

Weaver95: That seems to describe Hillary's 'sniper fire' story almost perfectly. To know and NOT know that it was a lie at the same time.

In Psych jargon thats called "dissociative behavior".

quickdraw: DamnYankees: I think her being a woman is even more important than the connection to Bill. But both are probably true.

I am beginning to wonder about that. I just don't see that kind of blind vaginal loyalty to say - Condoleeza Rice or Pelosi. I think its not a enough to see a woman as Prez. The want to see a Humiliated Wife arise to the highest office of the land. It gives them hope that their lives might not turn out like shiat.

I think alot of that is because I've never seen Condi or Pelosi play the victim card. Hillary intentionally plays upon female victimhood. Woman probably think she suffered because of Bill and Monica, and because all the mean Republicans were pissed at an elected First Lady having so much power. So she solicits the woman-as-victim crowd.

I have tons more respect for Pelosi than Hillary.

GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."

Made me laugh. It was like the voice of the people answering back. This guy knows that what Mrs. Clinton said is sort of crazy. He seems to know her reputation for untruths. He seemed to be saying, "I get it."

Can we just get her into a support group? Howard Dean, Mondale, Teddy Kennedy, and a few others to help her get over the sad fact, it will never be "her" time?