Reverse psychology?

CtrlAltDelete: Reverse psychology?

Nah... he just doesn't get tired of kicking her while she's down.

Or maybe, he just doesn't feel like looking like he is the big mean man telling the woman to step aside for him. Which is how she is going to play it, and he knows that. Sure, if the roles were reversed, I am sure that she would be calling for him to get out, as she is the favorite, and that he was hurting the party. But since that would be a woman telling a man to do it, all of her die-hard feminist supporters would not go screaming to the press/blogs/columns to say how wrong it is, which they are doing right now since a MAN is winning.

The longer this goes on, the more obvious it becomes just how many people really dislike Hillary Clinton, and everything she offers.

I wonder if there is any way to determine how many vote for Obama out of spite for Hillary and Bill? I know that it is an impossible thing to compute, but, if it could be shown, would she just go the fark away and leave us all alone?

She is the worst example of female leadership that I can imagine..and I have a vivid imagination

"I didn't really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, 'I just can't see a woman being commander in chief,'" the former first daughter said.

Oh noes! Times to vote for teh wymyn so they can defends theyselves!

She learns quickly from her gender-baiting mom, I see. Queens Isabella, Victoria and Elizabeth, Golda Meir, Joan of Arc and seriously have put that to rest ages ago.

Possibly he actually thinks it is good for the country to have the opportunity to make real choices?

Not to mention allowing Hillary to run to the end makes it easier to transfer all of her support to him after the convention, insure himself a fallback position of VP, and allow him the option to run again in 2012 whether or not she wins in the General. All good political thinking.

But I hope he'd actually want to allow the country to have a choice.

big_pth: Or maybe, he just doesn't feel like looking like he is the big mean man telling the woman to step aside for him. Which is how she is going to play it, and he knows that. Sure, if the roles were reversed, I am sure that she would be calling for him to get out, as she is the favorite, and that he was hurting the party. But since that would be a woman telling a man to do it, all of her die-hard feminist supporters would not go screaming to the press/blogs/columns to say how wrong it is, which they are doing right now since a MAN is winning.

And maybe he doesn't want to win on forfeit. Remember, he's battling the once-mighty Clinton Machine^TM. His organization has out-maneuvered Clinton's at every turn. Accusations that he won't be able to stand up to the Republicans in the fall are going to fall flat. Beating her would 'vet' him in the geriatric minds of some Clinton supporters.

Depending on how she eventually drops out, her extended campaign could eventually help solidify the Dem base behind him.

But that is assuming Clinton is capable of a graceful exit. I think the more likely scenario is she's going to have to be dragged screaming off the stage by Dean and Gore.

Jubeebee

I once read a short story about how the Civil War could have ended totally different. Instead of the Confederate surrender, it could have turned into a bloody occupation. Were the South would continue to fight well into the 20th century. This campaign puts me in mid of that story. One of these candidates could go and surrender with honor, call for all of their soldiers and supporters to lay down their arms, and rejoin the party behind the winner. Or, they could shake their head grimly, and vow to never surrender, and run a sort of guerrilla campaign against the "winner", and drag the party down into a mess with no end in sight.

It doesn't matter if she wins or loses the election...?

one_more_step_and_the_girl_gets_it: The longer this goes on, the more obvious it becomes just how many people really dislike Hillary Clinton, and everything she offers.

The amount of people that dislike Clinton has never really surprised me - it's the amount of people who actually support her that boggles my mind.

Jubeebee: But that is assuming Clinton is capable of a graceful exit

Fail assumption. What could possibly give you the idea that this is the case?

You know, it has to suck to be so close to being president and have it yanked away by a new-comer like Obama. I'm sure she's very bitter and angry and I'd bet that she still thinks that she can pull out an upset victory.

Unfortunately for everyone else she will stay in the race until Obama has 2025 delegates.

If only the media would start treating her like Ron Paul and Mike Gravel it would be over in no time.

abb3w: Possibly he actually thinks it is good for the country to have the opportunity to make real choices?

By and large the country has made its choice. Numerically, it's pretty much over. To win the popular vote, Hillary would need to consistently win bigger than she ever has before. The superdelegates have gone on record I believe stating that they will support the popular vote.

Bill has called in ALL of his favors to get Hill in the White House. It may have worked if it wasn't for this meddeling Obama guy.

zeph`: Fail assumption. What could possibly give you the idea that this is the case?

With how many faces she's shown so far in this campaign, Favorite Clinton, Sad Clinton, Angry Clinton, Chummy Clinton, etc., she might have a Graceful mask in there somewhere.

But like I said, it's far more likely that Gore, Dean, and Kennedy will have to drag her off the stage while she screams, "But I have the 3am healthcare experience to 35 years change Washington! Shame on you! Yes we will!"

If this isn't the high road, nothing is. I like to think I'm not as crazy as many Obama supporters, but damn, telling Hillary to stay in the race, when she's done dumb stuff like offer the vice presidency to him and launch dozens of attacks... it gives me the sense that he could be the real deal.

PC LOAD LETTER: "I didn't really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, 'I just can't see a woman being commander in chief,'" the former first daughter said.

Oh noes! Times to vote for teh wymyn so they can defends theyselves!

She learns quickly from her gender-baiting mom, I see. Queens Isabella, Victoria and Elizabeth, Golda Meir, Joan of Arc and seriously have put that to rest ages ago.

Chelsea is a Clinton through and through. She probably eats up the comments from people saying every CiC should have a va jay jay.

Jubeebee: But like I said, it's far more likely that Gore, Dean, and Kennedy will have to drag her off the stage while she screams, "But I have the 3am healthcare experience to 35 years change Washington! Shame on you! Yes we will!"

So, sorta like at the end of T2 where the bad terminator melts in the molten steel and you see all the faces of the people he killed and/or impersonated?

Coooooool.

I wonder what Chelsea thought about sexism when she was trying to seduce the 21 year old kid from Milwaukee?

Now THAT, that is dignity and grace. Which we sorely need more of.

I can't help but wonder how the votes that have already taken would change if they were reheld today.

Both Clinton and Obama, though mostly Clinton, have suffered a lot of damage to their campaign. How many people regret their vote?

/ Coulter supports Clinton, she says in her column.
// That says it all.

Yeah, but everyone stays and cheers just as loudly for the person who comes in last place at the Special Olympics as they do for the person who comes in first, because that person really is special just for showing up and trying.

No one's going to say that about Hillary at the end of this race.

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, but everyone stays and cheers just as loudly for the person who comes in last place at the Special Olympics as they do for the person who comes in first, because that person really is special just for showing up and trying.

No one's going to say that about Hillary at the end of this race.

I know I will cheer when she finally falls on her face.

panfried: Bill has called in ALL of his favors to get Hill in the White House. It may have worked if it wasn't for this meddeling Obama guy.

Deep in his heart, there is no way Bill Clinton wants Hillary to be President.

I'm no Hillary supporter. But it seems to me premature to ask her to step down before all of the primaries are run, at least.

When July 1st comes, and all of the states and territories have had their "say" ... then I'd agree that one or the other should step aside.

/because if they wait until the convention to settle it, neither one may be able to beat McCain

If Obama pulls it off, it will be one of the great comebacks in the history of US politics. Grassroots beating the system, as it were. No need to end it early. Let the Cinderella ticket continue to the very end.

Sabyen91: I wonder what Chelsea thought about sexism when she was trying to seduce the 21 year old kid from Milwaukee?

That guy was gay. Really.

big_pth:

The short story "Counterfactual" by Gardner R. Dozois? That was one of the better ones in Year's Best SF 12 I think.

Jesus Hussein Christ, will she go away already.

You know, if she stays in or not doesn't matter that much to me. I'm mostly just sick of people saying it's a close race. It's not.

Obama is winning by over 150 pledged delegates in a race that actively encourages ties in anything resembling a contested race. There is no chance of Hillary winning in pledged delegates (she'd have to win every future contest by a larger margin than she's won any contest thus far), and if she wins due to super delegates overturning the popular vote, she's DOA in November.

Calling it "a close race" is an insult to logic, math and reason.

24-Bit Voxel: Deep in his heart, there is no way Bill Clinton wants Hillary to be President.

Oh man, that is the greatest photo ever! Love the morose facepalm!

Hillary needs to pick a running mate to bail her out! Perhaps a white male would help. Given the odds of some fruitcake snipering her down because of her appreciation for gunfire oriented places to hangout. The chances are good she will go down in friendly fire somewhere and then her side kick would have to be the President. Anyone with any intuition as to seeing the imminent future would be more likely to vote for her especially Superdelagates.

It blows be away that the one time that the Democrats are assured a victory in the Presidential race they run a Brother and a Broad ! This is like a made for TV movie. The DNC is that farking dumb ! What a nuclear bomb they decided to implode on themselves!

Sabyen91: PC LOAD LETTER:

Chelsea is a Clinton through and through. She probably eats up the comments from people saying every CiC should have a va jay jay.

Her dad definately thinks that way - in fact, when he was CiC, having just one wasn't enough!

Another great Obama thread. Most people here don't understand his policy, but they sure hate Hillary.

There are a large number of people who are voting for Obama just because he seems like an OK guy and they can't stand Hillary. I have to wonder how viable he would be if Edwards had had the kind of connections and pull that Hillary does.

seabass242:

Most people here don't understand his policy,

I've found that the ones who have the least understanding of Obama's policies are the ones who despise him for one ridiculous reason or another.

but they sure hate Hillary.

She makes it easy to hate her. Even if Obama weren't beating her ass right now, her rhetoric, tactics and voting record would pretty much exclude her from my list of choice candidates.

Maybe he wants to continue his warm-up for the General Election. Hehe ;)

But yeah, his response about Hillary's stay in the race was unwarranted.

seabass242

Another great Obama thread. Most people here don't understand his policy, but they sure hate Hillary.

Thus restoring my faith in humanity.

Sure much of his policy sucks but he is a decent human being. Hillary is a sleazebag of epic proportions. She SHOULD be hated and despised by any decent human being.

I'm voting McCain (Strong and Wrong in '08)but could live with Obama as president.

Shaggy_C: If Obama pulls it off, it will be one of the great comebacks in the history of US politics. Grassroots beating the system, as it were. No need to end it early. Let the Cinderella ticket continue to the very end.

To quote Han Solo, "I've got a bad feeling about this."

You don't count a Clinton out until they are dead in the ground. After that, you hire an exorcist to remove the possibility of a haunting or tainting.

Obama has to realize that Hillary can cause him harm even after out of the race.

epijunkie67: There are a large number of people who are voting for Obama just because he seems like an OK guy and they can't stand Hillary. I have to wonder how viable he would be if Edwards had had the kind of connections and pull that Hillary does.

It'd be a much closer race. Obama has handled most of his campaign well thus far; He gives good speeches, is knowledgeable, and is becoming very good at turning the other cheek. The humility he shows decimates Hillary. Want my taxes? Before you even ask. Get out of the race? No, please. Let's go on as long as you feel like. There's nothing you can attack on those issues - he's taken the moral high ground even after repeated attacks and they hurt him less and less because of it.

I think he'd have had a much harder race if there was less mud-slinging and just some generic opposition. Would I place him to win over Edwards? That'd really depend on how they ran the campaign, as I think they'd be completely different styles.

Any sane person would hate Hillary. And most people don't understand policies very well in any case. The big failures in life are those who don't understand Hilary's policies and someone love her anyway.

Besides, at this stage, both of their policies are 'moving targets.' That is, they are taking shape, and they will only solidify into action a bit into their terms.

And people who are sane and normal can take a quick look at Hillary and see she is full of shiat and her stated policies are "just words." And then they look at Obama and say "wow omg he's actually doing things -- at least much of the time -- that are consistent with other things he's said!" Then one looks at Hillary -- oh yeah that sniper thing.

Anyway, Hillary is a proven liar and moran. Obama? Not so much. He was a professor!! (Remember Hillary's lame ass attempt to make him look like a liar... that was funny huh?)

He needs 2024 to win the nomination, right? He doesn't have it last time I checked. I'd like to see it go down to the wire and have it settled at the convention, mostly because it would make all of the Obamatons lose their freakin' minds.

Ball Sack Obama: He needs 2024 to win the nomination, right? He doesn't have it last time I checked. I'd like to see it go down to the wire and have it settled at the convention, mostly because it would make all of the Obamatons lose their freakin' minds.

Hey asshole, its Ball Sack HUSSEIN Obama. Get it right, Troll. 0/10

Well as long as Hillary is in the race maybe people will focus on something other than the fact that Obama belongs to a racist anti-American church.

Elizabeth I. Eva Peron. Golda Mier. Indira Ghandi. Corazon Aquino Margaret Thatcher. Angela Merkel. Benazir Bhutto.


Hillary, you ain't them.


You aren't even Abigail Adams or Eleanor Roosevelt, and you sure aren't Jackie Kennedy.

Go away.

Why would it be in his interest to say she should leave?

He would come off as a jerk.
By staying humble he gives her an easy out if she should choose it. If he said she should leave, that would make her more yet more difficult and annoying.
People are attracted to him being positive, not being a negative like clinton.

Smart move by him. His statement clearly establishes that he considers himself the front-runner and eventual winner. Basically he's saying "do whatever makes you feel better, Hillary, I don't mind."

austintranslation: Jesus Hussein Christ, will she go away already.

I see what you did there.

FTFA: "I have been so profoundly more grateful than I have ever been over the past few months for my parents because of that."

This is the former first daughter speaking here. I think it is quite evident from he statements here that she never really loved her parents until it became politically viable to do so. I mean; if we accept that Michelle Obama never loved this country with simmilar verbage, then we must accept the fact that the horse-faced one never loved her parents!

/P=Q
//Not Trolling, I swear I am just having fun with the absurd.
///I would have hit Chelsea, until I got married that is. Well, I guess if she dug chicks it would be cool.