Lambeth is all full of party fun.

Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?

England must be a great place to be a criminal. Not only do you not have to worry about your victims shooting you, THEY go to jail if they try and resist YOU!

The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing.

"The risk of a fatal shooting in England and Wales is still one of the lowest in the world."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3195908.stm

I moved to Athens, GA, from San Francisco, CA last year. If you read the crime reports in our local paper, there's a shockingly high number of home robberies, and an equally alarming number of firearms stolen.

Over time, with gun control, only more responsible firearms owners are permitted to have guns, and the chances of their being stolen or falling into the wrong hands decreases dramatically.

No reasonable person wants to ban all firearms, but the idea stepping up regulations to help guns stay in the hands of responsible people seems like common sense to me.

Rusty Shackleford: The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing.

Nice reference.

But my fav line in the article
The murder rates, when mapped out, reveal that a large number of homicides take place in socially deprived neighbourhoods.

So in other words, London is like every other place in the world.

This is ye olde news...

Tassach: Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?

England must be a great place to be a criminal. Not only do you not have to worry about your victims shooting you, THEY go to jail if they try and resist YOU!

Wow. Just wow.

hoodie = hoodlum.

Pfft, you can still see the map in between the bubbles.

Baltimore laughs at your puny murder map.

Hahahha.. Can someone PLZ post pix of hoodie wearers? British gangstas make me giggle.

Oh my God, that has to be one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time!

Try comparing to Baltimore.

Link (new window)

London - 7,500,000 residents
Baltimore - 650,000 residents

Tassach: Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?

England must be a great place to be a criminal. Not only do you not have to worry about your victims shooting you, THEY go to jail if they try and resist YOU!

I've still never seen a gun, and bits of where I live could be classed as socially deprived. The handgun laws in this country actually make me feel safer...you can keep your right to bear arms.

Tassach: Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?

England must be a great place to be a criminal. Not only do you not have to worry about your victims shooting you, THEY go to jail if they try and resist YOU!

normally im against gun control from a freedom perspective (cuz im a 'merican), but i think that you speak directly from the ass.

the problem with london isnt the guns, IT'S THE LIMEYS

A murder in London?

Sounds like a job for:

Would be a little bit better if they would like up to a live webcam or video of the taped murder.

/ 1984 wasn't an instruction manual on how to monitor citizens

cefm: Try comparing to Baltimore.

Link (new window)

London - 7,500,000 residents
Baltimore - 650,000 residents

I wonder if the Baltimore murder rates, when mapped out, would reveal that a large number of homicides take place in socially deprived neighborhoods.

Hmm, if I ever go to London, I think I will visit Harrow, Richmond, Merton, and Kensington and Chelsea (zero murders, total!)

Dr. Nick Riviera: Pfft, you can still see the map in between the bubbles.

Baltimore laughs at your puny murder map.

That's total murders since the 60s, right?

lelio: 1984 wasn't an instruction manual on how to monitor citizens

Bbbbbut they have gun control.

robbyking: "The risk of a fatal shooting in England and Wales is still one of the lowest in the world."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3195908.stm

I moved to Athens, GA, from San Francisco, CA last year. If you read the crime reports in our local paper, there's a shockingly high number of home robberies, and an equally alarming number of firearms stolen.

Over time, with gun control, only more responsible firearms owners are permitted to have guns, and the chances of their being stolen or falling into the wrong hands decreases dramatically.

No reasonable person wants to ban all firearms, but the idea stepping up regulations to help guns stay in the hands of responsible people seems like common sense to me.

Yeah, and California has strict gun-control laws, too. But if I were you, I would not worry about being SHOT in England, I'd worry about being KILLED in England.

Less than five dozen people were shot to death in England and Wales last year. Is that a cause for celebration? Not when E&W's homicide rate is at or near 40-year highs. I'll post some graphs in a seperate posting.

More people are being killed, they just aren't being shot. Progress?

Tassach: Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?

England must be a great place to be a criminal. Not only do you not have to worry about your victims shooting you, THEY go to jail if they try and resist YOU!

Translation: "But enough about you. Let's talk about me and the issues I care about. Me me me me me me me. I'm awesome."

"The hooligans are loose, the hooligans are loose!"

/no one knows what it's like
//to be a dustbin
///in Shaftesbury... with hooligans

And the nice thing about this being mapped out on GoogleMaps is, I can go to Google Shopping to purchase my own hoodie in those areas.

sunsawed: hoodie = hoodlum.

No, it's the hoods they wear.

Robbyking: No reasonable person wants to ban all firearms

Robbyking's correct, but sadly there are plenty of irresponsible people trying to influence gun control in an irresponsible manner.

The_Sponge: Bbbbbut they have gun control.

bbbbut that has nothing to do with anything.

statisticly, gun owners are many, many, many times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or their families than someone perpetrating a crime, as anyone who reads fark should know.

if gun control was related to crime, houston wouldn't be one of the murder capitols of the country.

sorry, redneck, but although theres nothing wrong with owning a gun, it doesnt affect crime in the least.

The use of the Google map is astonishingly unhelpful.

When you first look at the markers on the map you think, "Hmmm, those markers are so evenly distributed that there seem to be no hotspots at all. How odd."

Then you look at the key and you realize that each marker indicates a neighborhood, not a murder. There is no correlation at all between the number of markers and the number of murders, or the positions of the markers and the locations of the murders. In fact, several of the markers indicate "zero" murders if you look at the backup data. Those neighborhoods had no murders, but they are still marked on the map.

What's the point?

So the UK banned and confiscated all "assault weapons" in 1989 and banned and confiscated all handguns in 1998, and the UK institutded "three-strikes-and-you're-out" laws in the mid-90s. I wonder which has been more effective as a crime-control method.









Hmmmm...

Kublai Khan [TotalFark] Quote 2008-03-29 05:09:25 PM


Translation: "But enough about you. Let's talk about me and the issues I care about. Me me me me me me me. I'm awesome."



Thankyou, Kublai, for putting your rebuff to Tassach so well.


I was just going to call him a Farkwit, but I defer to your eloquence.

Kublai Khan: sunsawed: hoodie = hoodlum.

No, it's the hoods they wear.

very useful for covering your face when walking past the trillion cameras in london.

if i lived there by some heinous circumstance, i'd probably get a hoodie too.

I would like to see an animation made using all the murders in a given area, mapped out as rain falling. Such a thing would require a lot of effort, and access to thousands of records of the target area. But it seems, at least in my head, like it would be an artistically important work. Maybe add a bit of thunder for the particularly notable cases.

Put a little Max Richter behind it. "On the Nature of Daylight" or something. I could see it.

Great, how long before some killer makes a big smiley face out of victim locations?

/We had a kid try that in the USA with pipe bombs once. Funny as hell, but they got him before he finished the mouth. I think his name was Tyler something or other.

Tassach: "Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?"

This is the dumbest thing I've heard all day. No one has ever claimed that gun control would drop the crime rate to zero. Then you rant on and state the obvious.

re-elect_jimmy_carter: The_Sponge: Bbbbbut they have gun control.

bbbbut that has nothing to do with anything.

statisticly, gun owners are many, many, many times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or their families than someone perpetrating a crime, as anyone who reads fark should know.

if gun control was related to crime, houston wouldn't be one of the murder capitols of the country.

sorry, redneck, but although theres nothing wrong with owning a gun, it doesnt affect crime in the least.


Bbbbut... only one in six thousand defensive gun uses results in a justifiable homicide. Nearly all DGUs do not have any shooting at all, e.g., the mere presence of a determined person ready with a gun halts nearly all criminal attempts.

re-elect_jimmy_carter: The_Sponge: Bbbbbut they have gun control.

bbbbut that has nothing to do with anything.

statisticly, gun owners are many, many, many times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or their families than someone perpetrating a crime, as anyone who reads fark should know.

if gun control was related to crime, houston wouldn't be one of the murder capitols of the country.

sorry, redneck, but although theres nothing wrong with owning a gun, it doesnt affect crime in the least.


Hmmmmmm....let's see:

1) Washington, D.C. has the some of the stricted gun laws in the country, and it's a very dangerous city.

2) California has strict gun laws as well, and yet, many parts of L.A. are still ridden with violent crime.

3) My home state (WA), has very relaxed gun laws, law-abiding citizens can apply for concealed weapons permits, and it's hardly the Wild West up here.

Nice touch with the redneck comment. Stereotype much?

/Gun owner.
//Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all my firearms put together.

Gobobo: Dr. Nick Riviera: Pfft, you can still see the map in between the bubbles.

Baltimore laughs at your puny murder map.

That's total murders since the 60s, right?

Thats 2007 alone. There were 283 murders in Baltimore last year.

There have been 14 so far this month.

Ah, crap. I meant that the US did the "3-strikes" laws, not the UK.

My bad.

I blame DISCO!

Panic on the streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But Honey Pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music they constantly play


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2oYedfk (new window)

Tassach

Idiot.

see Captain Darling & cefm

I think even Toronto has seen more murdered teenagers. Link (new window) Certainly more per capita.

Also, as a former Londoner, I wouldn't count everything inside the M25 as London - that's a pretty huge area geographically. Surprised Ladbroke Grove didn't have any murders - it was a pretty rough area when I lived around there...

krispos42: re-elect_jimmy_carter: The_Sponge: Bbbbbut they have gun control.

bbbbut that has nothing to do with anything.

statisticly, gun owners are many, many, many times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or their families than someone perpetrating a crime, as anyone who reads fark should know.

if gun control was related to crime, houston wouldn't be one of the murder capitols of the country.

sorry, redneck, but although theres nothing wrong with owning a gun, it doesnt affect crime in the least.


Bbbbut... only one in six thousand defensive gun uses results in a justifiable homicide. Nearly all DGUs do not have any shooting at all, e.g., the mere presence of a determined person ready with a gun halts nearly all criminal attempts.

what praytell is a defensive gun use?

does shootin' the Bumpus Hounds fer stealin' the christmas turkey count?

Subby has mad gooder grammar skillz.

Nakito: The use of the Google map is astonishingly unhelpful.

When you first look at the markers on the map you think, "Hmmm, those markers are so evenly distributed that there seem to be no hotspots at all. How odd."

Then you look at the key and you realize that each marker indicates a neighborhood, not a murder. There is no correlation at all between the number of markers and the number of murders, or the positions of the markers and the locations of the murders. In fact, several of the markers indicate "zero" murders if you look at the backup data. Those neighborhoods had no murders, but they are still marked on the map.

What's the point?

This.

re-elect_jimmy_carter: very useful for covering your face when walking past the trillion cameras in london.

I don't know what you're talking about...

D_Moran: Tassach: "Without teh 3vil gunz, England must be a crime-free utopia, right? Isn't that the "thinking" behind gun control? I'm SHOCKED to learn that banning all firearms DOESN'T keep bad people from committing acts of violence? Who'da thunk it?"

This is the dumbest thing I've heard all day. No one has ever claimed that gun control would drop the crime rate to zero. Then you rant on and state the obvious.


That's right. In the UK, they claimed it would stop mass shootings, and to date, it has. Never mind that 7/7 bombing; that wasn't a shooting.

But it hasn't made things any better, either. Not one bit. In fact, things have gotten worse since they confiscated all the evil, evil "assault weapons" and handguns.

Two reasons: guns are the means of crime, not the motive. And, gun-control laws disarm the law-abiding first and foremost, and the criminals last and least.

krispos42: More people are being killed, they just aren't being shot. Progress?

Great point. I guess my comment was more inline with the two before mine.

Now, I'm speculating, but I bet if we just took people who murdered in cold blood for no reason of defense or in the commission of a crime, and strung them up on TeeVee - a week after they were convicted, ate a steak and had a healthy shiat... the murder rate would decrease.

The_Sponge

/Gun owner.
//Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all my firearms put together.

LOL!

The_Sponge: re-elect_jimmy_carter: The_Sponge: Bbbbbut they have gun control.

bbbbut that has nothing to do with anything.

statisticly, gun owners are many, many, many times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or their families than someone perpetrating a crime, as anyone who reads fark should know.

if gun control was related to crime, houston wouldn't be one of the murder capitols of the country.

sorry, redneck, but although theres nothing wrong with owning a gun, it doesnt affect crime in the least.


Hmmmmmm....let's see:

1) Washington, D.C. has the some of the stricted gun laws in the country, and it's a very dangerous city.

2) California has strict gun laws as well, and yet, many parts of L.A. are still ridden with violent crime.

3) My home state (WA), has very relaxed gun laws, law-abiding citizens can apply for concealed weapons permits, and it's hardly the Wild West up here.

Nice touch with the redneck comment. Stereotype much?

/Gun owner.
//Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all my firearms put together.

I'm from seattle and I know why washington isnt the wild west

it's because washingtonians are generally very laid back.

im going out on a limb here to guess that you are from spokane.

please, explain away houston, or any other part of texas.

dc is a craphole, regardless of gun laws.

parts of la are not equal to all of california.

gun laws are not directly related crime rates, period.

im not attacking your right to bear arms, but theres still no relation to crime, and the ted kennedy quote on your bumpersticker (yes, i have seen that on many a pickup truck) isnt going to change facts.

lelio: Would be a little bit better if they would like up to a live webcam or video of the taped murder.

/ 1984 wasn't an instruction manual on how to monitor citizens

Care to explain what the hell you're talking about, or should I assume that you are simply making a glib cultural reference in an attempt to look smart?

Rusty Shackleford: The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing.

Rusty, that's twice today you've given me a very strange feeling; it's either love or the creeps. :)