boehner... heh heh heh... boner...

ZOMG! NINE-ELEVENTY!

Good to see the Democrats finally not backing down on something. Well, some of them, at least.

/DIAF Feinstein

Great Metal Jesus: DIAF Feinstein

DIANNE Feinstein (Die In A Neutron Nuclear Exlosion?).

_{Not really. Seriously, secret service types, I have no ill will towards the senator.}

I had high hopes for this thread. Silly me.

FTFA: Officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States..."

Like a soldier calling home?

I would vote for Glenn Greenwald to be AG if I could.

Dear Mr. Mucasey,

The procedures officials must go through in order to obtain evidence are prescribed by the law, enacted by Congress, signed by the President. Your opinions of the law are duly noted. Now will you please go DO YOUR FARKING JOB?!?!?!

He just cares SO MUCH about us Americans and you people trash him for it.

I wonder how much it costs to obtain "above the law" status for your company?

Hobodeluxe: I wonder how much it costs to obtain "above the law" status for your company?

Let me guess, the CEO gives Bush a Sloppy Cronkrite?

This is either cowardice or greed for power.

Cowardice of anyone that thinks this will make them safer and greed on the part of the administration who is only looking for an excuse to spy on anyone with a differing political philosophy. Spitzer anyone?

Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

doyner: FTFA: Officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States..."

Like a soldier calling home?

Or the press, saying something they don't like.

Hobodeluxe: I wonder how much it costs to obtain "above the law" status for your company?

What do you got?

doyner: FTFA: Officials "shouldn't need a warrant when somebody with a phone in Iraq picks up a phone and calls somebody in the United States..."

Like a soldier calling home?

Not to mention that no phone call from Iraq to the US has ever been connected to a terrorist act.

Now if he had said Afghanistan, he might have a point.

Hobodeluxe: I wonder how much it costs to obtain "above the law" status for your company?

Its kind of a tit for tat thing. You agree to break the law for the POTUS, he agrees to CYA, plus favorable legislature to be named later.

Remove all Republicans: 9/11 changed everything.

my friends and i used to say that ironically to explain away anything unusual that occured. Then one of my good buddies went to work for a department of energy subcontractor that does a lot of work on potential responses to a nuke plant disaster (more chernobyl than terrorists really) and he came back and was forced to report that people in the government he'd meet with would constantly say that, without a stroke of irony about it.

that scares me...

Mukasey can EABOD.

At this point i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter who wins this ellection this shiat will continue. Even if it's Obama.

Magruda: At this point i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter who wins this ellection this shiat will continue. Even if it's Obama.

THIS. No president is going to willingly give up executive power.

I was standing down in New York town one day,
I was standing down in New York town one day,
I was standing down in New York town one day,
Singin' Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey

this non-sequitur brought to you by Free Radio San Diego and the letter R

Magruda: At this point i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter who wins this ellection this shiat will continue. Even if it's Obama.

I disagree. Even if Obama wants that power, I don't think the people who hold back from impeaching Bush now would do the same for Obama.

Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.

MrKraclenutz: Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.

Or he can stay and try to change his country.

MrKraclenutz: Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.


"Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

"STFU and move to New France if you don't like it."

MrKraclenutz: Then you can move to Canada.

Or i can stay and struggle against morons like yourself who forgive the sins of their nation behind a mask of patriotism.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak out against no evil.

MrKraclenutz: Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.

Unfortunate phrasing on the part of Magruda, to be sure. I think he means he's displeased with the way our country's government operates. If this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with his statement. Displeasure with a process indicates a need for it to change, instead of just blind hatred. And indeed, our political establishment does need some major changes.

Alphax:
I disagree. Even if Obama wants that power, I don't think the people who hold back from impeaching Bush now would do the same for Obama.

Yeah, I agree. My most cynical hypothetical situation has Obama at the very least symbolically reducing the liberties taken by our various law-enforcement agencies to release some of the pressure that has been building up under Bush's weight over the last 8 years. People have been putting up with our President's antics in the hope that it is going to end. If they feel it's going to continue indefinitely, our politicians will be in some hot water.

As much as people on here love to claim the majority of Americans are "sheep" or otherwise simple-minded, I disagree. People are just very self-absorbed. Once they endure discomfort for long enough, they'll start pushing back. Obama's popularity hints at this, as people are seemingly disconcerted with the usual and see someone who promises change. Right now, not everyone has been roused from their metaphorical slumber, but the longer this silliness goes on, I believe (and hope) the calls for change transforms into actions to induce said change.

Sandwyrm: Unfortunate phrasing on the part of Magruda, to be sure. I think he means he's displeased with the way our country's government operates.

You have to be cruel to be kind. Consider it a verbal slap in the face.

Sandwyrm: MrKraclenutz: Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.

Unfortunate phrasing on the part of Magruda, to be sure. I think he means he's displeased with the way our country's government operates. If this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with his statement. Displeasure with a process indicates a need for it to change, instead of just blind hatred. And indeed, our political establishment does need some major changes.

Alphax:
I disagree. Even if Obama wants that power, I don't think the people who hold back from impeaching Bush now would do the same for Obama.

Yeah, I agree. My most cynical hypothetical situation has Obama at the very least symbolically reducing the liberties taken by our various law-enforcement agencies to release some of the pressure that has been building up under Bush's weight over the last 8 years. People have been putting up with our President's antics in the hope that it is going to end. If they feel it's going to continue indefinitely, our politicians will be in some hot water.

As much as people on here love to claim the majority of Americans are "sheep" or otherwise simple-minded, I disagree. People are just very self-absorbed. Once they endure discomfort for long enough, they'll start pushing back. Obama's popularity hints at this, as people are seemingly disconcerted with the usual and see someone who promises change. Right now, not everyone has been roused from their metaphorical slumber, but the longer this silliness goes on, I believe (and hope) the calls for change transforms into actions to induce said change.

Half of the country are Republicans and they have nominated "the usual". The other half are Democrats and half of those have nominated "the usual".

People are mostly sheep. Most people are also idiots. Most people don't want to learn. That is reality. It is also why direct democracies are a very bad idea.

/hooray for a republic

RanDomino: At this point i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter who wins this ellection this shiat will continue. Even if it's Obama.







Frowns upon your choice of candidate.


/Not obscure.

Relatively Obscure
Frowns upon your choice of candidate.

haha nice

I am sickened by American politics and the deterioration of our constitutional freedom and moving in another county in a few years, so i'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Relatively Obscure: Frowns upon your choice of candidate.


/Not obscure.

I lol'd.

Because the terrorists will actually use their own telephones to conduct terrorist business, right? Unencrypted, even. And they'll obviously stop if they know they're being watched, right?

/so much fail in the government

Yeah we gotta protect those Perverts and Drug Dealers.
Keeping the country safe comes third behind the Perverts and Pushers.

larry00: Yeah we gotta protect those Perverts and Drug Dealers.
Keeping the country safe comes third behind the Perverts and Pushers.

Keeping the country safe? Really? Is that your priority?

Keeping safe from whom, precisely? We have so many enemies, within and without. Trying to protect our country against every enemy is an exercise in failure. Ideally, we should ensure our country can withstand anything and still rock on. Right now we're trying hard as hell to build a social wall around ourselves and then cowering behind it hoping no one breaches it to attack the softness within.

i can't wait to tell conservatives to leave the country when democrats take office and implement universal healthcare, raise taxes, and take away their guns.

two way street.

larry00: Yeah we gotta protect those Perverts and Drug Dealers.
Keeping the country safe comes third behind the Perverts and Pushers.

Yeah, we DO need to stop protecting the Republicans.

Glenn Greenwald is the man. Read his column every day and you'll be smarter and better prepared to vote.

That is all.

Frank Booth: i can't wait to tell conservatives to leave the country when democrats take office and implement universal healthcare, raise taxes, and take away their guns.

two way street.

You're either a fool or a troll... which is essentially a fool.

Cease and desist your foolishness.

CougarJeff: I had high hopes for this thread. Silly me.

You'll get over it.

SharkUW: Sandwyrm: MrKraclenutz: Magruda: Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm still not proud of my country. In fact it makes me sick.

Then you can move to Canada.

Unfortunate phrasing on the part of Magruda, to be sure. I think he means he's displeased with the way our country's government operates. If this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with his statement. Displeasure with a process indicates a need for it to change, instead of just blind hatred. And indeed, our political establishment does need some major changes.

Alphax:
I disagree. Even if Obama wants that power, I don't think the people who hold back from impeaching Bush now would do the same for Obama.

Yeah, I agree. My most cynical hypothetical situation has Obama at the very least symbolically reducing the liberties taken by our various law-enforcement agencies to release some of the pressure that has been building up under Bush's weight over the last 8 years. People have been putting up with our President's antics in the hope that it is going to end. If they feel it's going to continue indefinitely, our politicians will be in some hot water.

As much as people on here love to claim the majority of Americans are "sheep" or otherwise simple-minded, I disagree. People are just very self-absorbed. Once they endure discomfort for long enough, they'll start pushing back. Obama's popularity hints at this, as people are seemingly disconcerted with the usual and see someone who promises change. Right now, not everyone has been roused from their metaphorical slumber, but the longer this silliness goes on, I believe (and hope) the calls for change transforms into actions to induce said change.

Half of the country are Republicans and they have nominated "the usual". The other half are Democrats and half of those have nominated "the usual".

People are mostly sheep. Most people are also idiots. Most people don't want to learn. That is reality. It is also why direct democracies are a very bad idea.

/hooray for a republic

Ah, yes, that vaunted independent. The swing voter, the jackass that can't make up his mind. If you decide when you are in the poll booth you really aren't as bright as you think you are.

coco ebert: Magruda: At this point i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter who wins this ellection this shiat will continue. Even if it's Obama.

THIS. No president is going to willingly give up executive power.

Probably not. However, Obama is the only candidate who I can believe might even consider it. Hillary? McCain? Not a chance.