DRTFA, but loled

Yeah, Bush had an exit strategy for Vietnam, but not Iraq.

Not exactly ironic as I highly doubt an Obama administration would be compeltely full of chicken-hawks like Bush's was. Notice the word "group" in his quote.

the Obama cult is never late

That is pretty funny, there.

Gotta love irony, no matter where it falls.

Gotta love irony, no matter where it falls.


Gotta love someone who doesn't understand the concept of irony, no matter.... wait, no you don't.

Kool-aids a hell of a drink.

Bill Frist: Gotta love someone who doesn't understand the concept of irony, no matter.... wait, no you don't.

We're not going to start a whole "you don't know what irony means" flamewar, are we now?

Spanky_McFarksalot: Kool-aids a hell of a drink.

Besides, it's more fun to make fun of people who can't punctuate properly.



And let's not forget the old chestnut: "It was Flavr-Aid, not Kool-Aid!"

Skleenar: Besides, it's more fun to make fun of people who can't punctuate properly



*Yawn*

Spanky_McFarksalot: Skleenar: Besides, it's more fun to make fun of people who can't punctuate properly



*Yawn*

Awww, kitty... :)

Spanky_McFarksalot:



*Yawn*



/Sorry. My pet, Peeve

Skleenar: /Sorry. My pet, Peeve

Oh. Thats good to know. Its funny that it get's some farker's so annoyed.

But's its really not that big an issue for me.

Spanky_McFarksalot: Kool-aids a hell of a drink.

Kool-aids? Isn't that a Canadian HIV support group?

Ima10urin8: the Obama cult is never late

Spanky_McFarksalot: Kool-aids are a hell of a drink.

FTFY.

/I think...

Howard Dean 2004: "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably?"

Apparently, Americans prefer a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life.

Sleeping Monkey:

Apparently, Americans prefer a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life.

^

FTFA: McCain, by the way, has been awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals, a Purple Heart and the Distinguished Flying Cross.


Only one purple heart? What was he doing with Kerry was earning three of them . . . sitting out the war in some hotel?

maxx2112: Only one purple heart? What was he doing with Kerry was earning three of them . . . sitting out the war in some hotel?

You get the PJ O'Rourke Medal for that one.

Howard Dean 2004: "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably?"

Kerry voluteered for combat during a war, Bush and Cheney actively avoided it.

McCain volunteered for combat during a war, there was no war when Obama was of military age.

Slight difference.

And what when did McCain volunteer? Over 40 years ago. To fly planes. It doesn't make you a global military strategist. The last veteran with relative military experience was Eisenhower - and there ain't no Eisenhowers left.

The President also appoints SEC members, who are the ultimate authority (albeit generally delegated to the private Financial Accounting Standards Board) on generally accepted accounting principles.

Should the President not be a CPA, then?

It will be a great day in American politics when everyone who could have or did serve in Vietnam is wearing Depends and no longer a viable political candidate.

Haven't people learned anything?

In 1992, an admitted draft dodger beat a sitting President who was a Vet. In 1996, that same draft dodger beat another member of the "Greatest Generation". Did the American people give a damn about military service then?

In 2000, a National Guard member (which has somehow been transformed into meaning "coward") beat a Vietnam vet..and did it again in 2004. Did the American people give a damn about military service then?

Colin Powell, a Vietnam Vet and architect of the successful GWI, apparently didn't learn to do anything besides "be a good soldier" as he got up in front of the UN and lied his ass off. He has since withdrawn from public view in disgrace. What insights did his military service give him?

Military service...the most overrated litmus test for political office EVER.

Not how I made my decision then, not how I'll make it now.

Probably not how I will ever make my decision.

JeffTL: The President also appoints SEC members

Maybe that's why Ohio State keeps losing.

Hey don't look at me, I just voted for the guy because I figured anything was better than Bush.

And no, I don't care WHAT you think of that!

1992: People vote for a draft-dodging, American-flag burning liar.

2000: These same people call a wealthy boy who served in the National Guard a coward.

/Hillariaty!

Nemo's Brother: 1992: People vote for a draft-dodging, American-flag burning liar.

2000: These same people call a wealthy boy who served in the National Guard a coward.

/Hillariaty!

2004: The same people who voted for said wealthy boy call a man who actually WENT to Vietnam a coward.

2008: At present, no one has called the nominee who served in Vietnam a coward. Plenty of other things, but not a coward.

Nemo's Brother: 1992: People vote for a draft-dodging, American-flag burning liar.

2000: These same people call a wealthy boy who served in the National Guard a coward.

/Hillariaty!


Now compare both of their presidencies. Irony, huh?

Chuck Wagon: Kool-aids? Isn't that a Canadian HIV support group?

No, it's a cigarette that's infused with menthol and AIDS.

Ima10urin8: the Obama cult is never late

Nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means to.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: 2008: At present, no one has called the nominee who served in Vietnam a coward. Plenty of other things, but not a coward.

John McCain: an honorable man, but is he the right man for president?

And that's just from the Romney people.

LessO2: Yeah, Bush had an exit strategy for Vietnam, but not Iraq.

Bush isn't running in this election, retard.

/thank merciful christ for that

Nemo's Brother: 2000: These same people call a wealthy boy who served in the National Guard a coward.

Well, there's also the fact he was a liar and an idiot, whereas Clinton was a liar but no idiot.

Also, frankly, I'm tired of this American Flag nonsense. Americas president should be very critical of this country, and I'm more likely to vote for someone that has associated with radicals than someone who has spent their whole life with people who always say the correct political thing.

Conservatives talk a lot about political correctness and how it's screwing things up, but the real P.C. isn't about not offending people of different races and genders, it's about acting like you eat the flag for breakfast and shiat star spangled banners. Frankly I'm glad Clinton and Obama have the associations they do, because it says to me that they are men of ideas. I would, frankly, be more willing to vote for Hillary if she was a communist. Not because I think the US needs to become entirely communist (which it wouldn't, Congress is a biatch) but because what we've been doing lately doesn't work and we need to shake things up.

Argh2: Howard Dean 2004: "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably?"

Kerry voluteered for combat during a war, Bush and Cheney actively avoided it.

McCain volunteered for combat during a war, there was no war when Obama was of military age.

Slight difference.

And what when did McCain volunteer? Over 40 years ago. To fly planes. It doesn't make you a global military strategist. The last veteran with relative military experience was Eisenhower - and there ain't no Eisenhowers left.

This makes me sad. I don't know why, but it does.

War experience as a low-level officer means nothing in terms of preparation for a spot in the White House. It's the equivalent of being a manager at the local Welfare office - look at the structure of the federal government and where pay grades fall.

Bill Frist: Not exactly ironic as I highly doubt an Obama administration would be compeltely full of chicken-hawks like Bush's was. Notice the word "group" in his quote.

I will be surprised if his running mate isn't a veteran.

RNC Deputy Chairman Frank Donatelli said, "Howard Dean owes John McCain an immediate apology and both Sens. Clinton and Obama should unequivocally denounce this disgraceful attack."

Oh blow it out your ass, nobody owes anyone a goddamn apology.

justoneznot: RNC Deputy Chairman Frank Donatelli said, "Howard Dean owes John McCain an immediate apology and both Sens. Clinton and Obama should unequivocally denounce this disgraceful attack."

Oh blow it out your ass, nobody owes anyone a goddamn apology.

Er, actually...

Well, yeah, you're right, it's not like it'd do any good at this point anyway.

McCain doesn't need any foreign policy experience. He has Lieberman perched on his shoulder to correct him when he forgets things.

Lets see. The Dem nominee or Crazy "bomb Iran" McCain?

Let's see. McCain has been kissing up the fundies and even changed denomination to please them. People like Rod Parsley who think it's America's divine destiny to destroy Islam. And Podhoretz who is the biggest neocon Zionist hawk out there.

People we can't afford this folly anymore. It's time Iraq stood up for itself and worked it's own problems out. Right now we're standing between two Shiite factions in a civil war.
Iran ,Syria,Saudia Arabia are all supplying arms and assistance to these people. We're arming and paying both sides. We're being extorted. The govt can't decide on what to eat much less govern.

And it will be the same next year, and the year after that,and the year after that and then we'll eventually run out of willing souls. So there will be talk of a draft. The political will of the people would never let that pass. So they'll eventually pull out.

The question is how many lives and how much treasure do we spend before we leave?

Nemo's Brother: 1992: People vote for a draft-dodging, American-flag burning liar.

2000: These same people call a wealthy boy who served in the National Guard a coward.

/Hillariaty!

Don't forget:

1988: George Bush, Sr, a real war hero was called, "George the Wimp" ad nauseum.


1996: Bob Dole, a real war hero was thrown under the bus. By those same steaming turds.

Jubeebee:

McCain volunteered for combat during a war, there was no war when Obama was of military age.

WTF? Bullshiat. "Military age" is 18 - 35, he could have very well been in Desert Storm...if he wanted.

Argh2:
And what when did McCain volunteer? Over 40 years ago. To fly planes. It doesn't make you a global military strategist. The last veteran with relative military experience was Eisenhower - and there ain't no Eisenhowers left.

I would say Colin Powell would fit that bill. Great strategist, military and civilian leader, strong guy that seemed genuinely pissed when he found that the intel he spouted to the UN seemed falsified (even went to say how "...some people in this administration outright lied to me") and actually seems to want less role of the military and corporations in everyday life in America (ie, Eisenhower's fair-well speech warning against the military-industrial complex.)

I'd say he's about the best you got there. Unfortunately, he's tainted by Bush and Cheney, who saw that he was the only one with credibility within their ranks and used that to sell this stinker of a war.

I don't know, it's pretty wonderful being welcomed as liberators, the flowered greetings and smiling faces are worth any sacrifice. Thank you, Bush/Cheney.

I would have said the same thing in 2004 as today.

What a person did yesterday is worth considering, but what a person plans to do tomorrow is far more important when deciding who should lead.

Argh2: The last veteran with relative military experience was Eisenhower - and there ain't no Eisenhowers left.

Kennedy?

/cues up Jimmy Dean's PT 109

In 2004, it seemed like a good idea to attack Bush on his Vietnam Conflict record. Get some of those military and veterans votes away from the RNC and shift them toward Kerry, the war hero.

Unfortunately, that was all there was to Kerry since nobody seemed to be all that excited about his almost 20-yr Senate career.

What should have been obvious to Dean is that after 8 years under a draft-dodging President, the vast majority of Americans couldn't have cared less about either candidate's actions during Vietnam.

It didn't make a difference in '92 or '96 -- why would anyone have thought it would make a difference in 2004? And why would anyone think it would make a difference today?

Shadowknight: I would say Colin Powell would fit that bill. Great strategist, military and civilian leader, strong guy that seemed genuinely pissed when he found that the intel he spouted to the UN seemed falsified (even went to say how "...some people in this administration outright lied to me") and actually seems to want less role of the military and corporations in everyday life in America (ie, Eisenhower's fair-well speech warning against the military-industrial complex.)


He was the Sec. of State!! What the hell was he doing? Don't blame me I got bad advice?? That's his excuse? He, of all people, should have known better and to trade on his reputation and the trust that the American people had in him is, in some ways, worse than any lie from the acknowledged snakes Cheney and Rove. Pathetic. He isn't fit to be dog catcher in BumFark Idaho after that display.

rka, I have to concur. I'm reluctant to, but you are right.

Powell should have resigned as Sec. State rather than give that speech to the UN.