Get back on the clock

Meh, the NK kicked out the SK guys just so they can claim they did it and the SK didn't PULL those guys out after the recent SK elections.

New administration in SK is not a fan of the old administration "sunshine policy," they want to "get tough" (but not too tough!) so the NK doesn't want to make it seem that SK is changing on them, they want to make moves first so it looks like no effects from outside.

I'm not going back - was there in 1952 - got shot in the ass - didn't like it!!

This is going to not really "end"... just be like another 55-year-long ellipses.

Remember when people said that starting a "preemptive" war was opening a pandora's box in foreign affairs?

Yeah, they were right.

Yeeeaaaahh... I'm supposed to go there for a week this summer...

I'm thinking our trip may get scrapped.

Wait, aren't they still at war?

Well, I guess we will have wars on 3 fronts soon. Ahhh, isn't China backing up North Korea in the last shooting war against us?

Hm, glad I moved.

North Korea sucks and deserves the priveledge to have it's necrocracy deposed. The people of North Korea not only deserve the freedom of speech as a condition of simply being human beings, they also have the right to listen, observe and adapt to a world movement that refuses to capitulate to a terrorist regime that is one short of a trinity. If you have a problem with that, see the first sentence.

Lessee....the DMZ was chock-full of landmines (ours, theirs, and unstable leftovers from China, Russia and Japan) last time I checked. South Korea might want to rethink that one before pouring across the 38th Parallel.

Ellipsis, even.

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Well, I guess we will have wars on 3 fronts soon. Ahhh, isn't China backing up North Korea in the last shooting war against us?

The war in Iraq has made another U-turn with the events in Basra/Sadr City today, likely to pump up the conflict with Iran, as this is a border city.

The US has also been playing with a bunch of Nuclear War related materials, and has been caught with live ammo flying over the mainland, and shipping parts overseas, accidentally (I hope that it was an accident that they were shipped, rather than an accident that they were caught).

Can we start a betting pool on how WWIII will be broken up?

Gregory F. Stuart: North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey
vs.
South Korea, Taiwan, India, Iraq, Kurdistan, United States


Kurdistan?
You forgot Narnia and Valhalla.

And what in the heckiest heck is Turkey, a member of NATO, doing on the bad guys' end?

imashelcha: Gregory F. Stuart: North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey
vs.
South Korea, Taiwan, India, Iraq, Kurdistan, United States


Kurdistan?
You forgot Narnia and Valhalla.

And what in the heckiest heck is Turkey, a member of NATO, doing on the bad guys' end?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan

North Korea would obliterate Seoul. They can launch over 500,000 mortars within 24 hours and Seoul is within 50 miles of the border. The DPRK has so many obstacles that it would be difficult to get tanks in. North Korea would make the South its biatch.

Gregory F. Stuart: North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey

vs.

South Korea, Taiwan, India, Iraq, Kurdistan, United States

Gregory F. Stuart: How could I forget Israel vs. The Rest of the Middle East?

You also forgot Japan, NATO, Columbia on our side and Russia, Ecuador, Venezuela. aw shiat just about any country who as a stable military will probably join in the fray including the African Powers

/we(the world) are so farked if this actually happens.

cemsity: we(the world) are so farked if this actually happens

If??

It's pretty much building up to a war to stop the United States. You don't see where this is going?

In any case someone should make a large table of this. It's a really interesting thought exercise / bet.
I'll start:

Blue corner:
USA (+Iraq + Afghanistan)
Most of NATO, prominently:
Britain
Canada
Germany
Turkey
France
Italy
Greece
Poland;
India
Israel
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
Saudi Arabia (?)
Kuwait
Brazil (?)
Mexico
ROC (Taiwan)
The Czech Republic
Denmark
Jordan
Colombia
Kosova

Red Corner:
Russia
China
Iran
Syria (+ Lebanon)
Indonesia (?)
Cuba
Ukraine
Kazakhstan
Serbia
Venezuela
Pakistan
Yemen
Palestinian Authority
Algeria
Zimbabwe

Neutral:
Spain
Egypt
Switzerland
Argentina
Sweden, Norway, Iceland
Nepal
South Africa
Nigeria
The Philippines


/Lemme hear your comments

Oh, forgot the Koreas.
Well, you know where they go.

Jordash: imashelcha: Gregory F. Stuart: North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey
vs.
South Korea, Taiwan, India, Iraq, Kurdistan, United States

Kurdistan?
You forgot Narnia and Valhalla.
And what in the heckiest heck is Turkey, a member of NATO, doing on the bad guys' end?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narnia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valhalla

(I'll give you a hint: All three are not actual countries)

imashelcha: /Lemme hear your comments

Or it could just be a bunch of crazy hackers living in ________ (pick a country) taking out our economic systems, scrambling weapons codes, shutting off the power grids, screwing with our dams...

Scary stuff. The point being anyway that it doesn't have to be a country against us anymore. Not after---, well you know...;)

Suicidal Writer: North Korea would obliterate Seoul. They can launch over 500,000 mortars within 24 hours and Seoul is within 50 miles of the border. The DPRK has so many obstacles that it would be difficult to get tanks in. North Korea would make the South its biatch.

yeah the first 48 hours will suck but then what. DPRK whould exhaust there resources by then

Useful against the DPRK

I am always amazed at the number of armchair generals whose experience is based upon hours and hours of video games and risk.

Let's get ready to rrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmbbbbbbblllllllllleeeeeeee..........!

lolmao666: people in SK, NK and China still pissed off enough to mount an attack against Japan in the future?

I can't comment on SK or NK. But, as far as China...

Yeah, the people here pretty much hate the Japanese.

Would the Chinese leadership launch an attack? That would depend on whatever else is going on.

lawsucks: I am always amazed at the number of armchair generals whose experience is based upon hours and hours of video games and risk.


Or four years in the IDF, but you go ahead and believe what you want to.

imashelcha: In any case someone should make a large table of this. It's a really interesting thought exercise / bet.
I'll start:
/Lemme hear your comments

Syria and Lebanon probably wouldnt try to press their luck, they are still technologically and militarily inferior to Israel.
Pakistan - depending who is in power.
China might have a major beef with Russia, seeing as China would need a place to expand to and Siberia is vast. And quite unpopulated.

MAD applies anyway. Dont think anything will happen until every major country have good effective missile shields up.

lolmao666: And you forgot Russia. Everybody dies and Russia win in the end... or Russia is in the China axis as they are allies... or ...

Anyway the US old leadership of the cold war want to bomb Russia sooner or later. They were saying that in 2015, they will have an enough big gap in power with the russians to win a pre-emptive war against them and knock out a counterstrike if they are able to launch one at all.

Why would the United States want to knock off a counter-balance to the European Union? Europe is the only one threatened by a resurgent Russia. They're ones who'd be at the mercy of Russian energy-supply related thuggery. Russia isn't a threat to the United States; they simply don't have the clout the Soviet Union had in terms of population, armaments and global reach. As such, who'd want to eliminate them when they do such a superb job making sure Europe keeps their arrogant heads down?

Comrade438:
Why would the United States want to knock off a counter-balance to the European Union? Europe is the only one threatened by a resurgent Russia. They're ones who'd be at the mercy of Russian energy-supply related thuggery. Russia isn't a threat to the United States; they simply don't have the clout the Soviet Union had in terms of population, armaments and global reach. As such, who'd want to eliminate them when they do such a superb job making sure Europe keeps their arrogant heads down?

Most of Europe is under the aegis of NATO; population-wise, at least. We have an obligation to our NATO allies. I hope we never have to go to war against Russia, I've been hoping for the longest time we develop a cordial relationship with that state. I have much respect for them.

Also, the US benefits the most when things are stable enough to allow them to conduct business without much concern for their trade relationships' security. It's in our best interest (and in the best interest of every major country in the world) to ensure there is no world war. China won't attack us over NK, they've been chiding Il themselves.

jonnypeh: imashelcha: In any case someone should make a large table of this. It's a really interesting thought exercise / bet.
I'll start:
/Lemme hear your comments

Syria and Lebanon probably wouldnt try to press their luck, they are still technologically and militarily inferior to Israel.
Pakistan - depending who is in power.
China might have a major beef with Russia, seeing as China would need a place to expand to and Siberia is vast. And quite unpopulated.
MAD applies anyway. Dont think anything will happen until every major country have good effective missile shields up.


Not every one of those countries have to be active in any scenario. They may very well sit on the sidelines a-la USA 1939-41. And I think Russia is more of a candidate for this than China.

Lebanon is not independent in these means. If Iran's in, you bet Hizballah is in. Syria might not actively participate but will surely support in whatever means possible. And with thousands of missiles pointing at Tel-Aviv, they might get cocky at some point (and get the crap beat out of them, but not without a high price on Israel's part).

Was in Seoul last week for the first time and it was a little creepy to look North and think that somewhere just over there is a nuclear armed Jim Jones in control of about a half million artillery pieces primed and ready to fire en masse on a city that size. Koreans have to be the friendliest damn people in Asia, sincerely nice people.

North Korea essentially belongs to China, and it will remain that way for a very long time.

lolmao666: - No weaponization of space

Yeah, that's enforceable/verifiable...

Let the South Koreans fight this one on their own. Should make for a good show.

/No blood for Hyundais

Time Traveler: I'm not going back - was there in 1952 - got shot in the ass - didn't like it!!

Run Forrest Run!

More sabre rattling and mind games brought to you by the two Koreas. The North starts it with some sort of faux structured crisis, sees how it's sucessful engineer brother reacts because it is bored and need to test the waters.

/Not really news, more a soap opera.

The lack of the phrase "glass parking lot" in this thread seems quite bizarre to me.
Will those who keep waving it in Middle-East threads enlighten me as to why my country deserves to be obliterated and the Korean peninsula not?

Wait until we see the headline: "Huge Oil Reserves Discovered in North Korea".

imashelcha

Japan could very well sit it out. They may have sent non-combat troops to Iraq, and the nationalists are making a resurgence, but there's still a lot of resistance to the thought of waging war. Especially given that they'll get bombed. A lot. If not nuked again.

imashelcha
The lack of the phrase "glass parking lot" in this thread seems quite bizarre to me.
Will those who keep waving it in Middle-East threads enlighten me as to why my country deserves to be obliterated and the Korean peninsula not?


South Korea has actually behaved like a friend to the USA?

VTSquire: necrocracy

... is my new favourite word.

And besides, all America has to do is find the cheat codes for unlimited money and the artillery rifle... the black dude will take care of the rest. He can speak Korean.

imashelcha 2008-03-29 11:29:02 AM
The lack of the phrase "glass parking lot" in this thread seems quite bizarre to me.
Will those who keep waving it in Middle-East threads enlighten me as to why my country deserves to be obliterated and the Korean peninsula not?

Also a lack of "Korean lobby" posts. Almost as if the U.S.'s interests might conceivably extend beyond its borders - if jews are not involved.

The North Korean military is afraid of:

1. South Korean Marine Corps (AKA the "infamous" ghost-catchers)
2. South Korean warships; ready to take out costal North Korean cities (possibly including the near-coastal Pyongyang)
3. South Korean military aircrafts; more advanced than the North's counterpart
4. South Korean ground forces; mostly afraid of the K1A1 tanks.

Source: from serveral South Korean military forums

/shocked that I can read Korean

Time Traveler: I'm not going back - was there in 1952 - got shot in the ass - didn't like it!!

Somethin' jumped up an' bit ya?

Yes, arm-chair general here, but still...

The Korea's, Taiwan and China, Iraq and Afganistan as is, Iran just around the corner, Turkey entering Iraq, Pakistan's (it was pakistan, right?) recent assassination of the female prez or something like that, Russia being Russia, Zimbabwe potentially becoming unhinged...

Either a pacific-centric World War 3 could be right around the corner, or this is pretty much standard and I am just starting to come into my own on the stage of world political awareness.

/and who knows what those crazy Mongolians are up to...

imashelcha: Gregory F. Stuart: North Korea, China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey
vs.
South Korea, Taiwan, India, Iraq, Kurdistan, United States


Kurdistan?
You forgot Narnia and Valhalla.

And what in the heckiest heck is Turkey, a member of NATO, doing on the bad guys' end?

YOU FORGOT POLAND!!!

Stupid thread is full of stupid: if, for some God forsaken reason, the North ever actually invaded the South, the PRC would probably join the fray on our side to be rid of the DPRK. It's not 1950.