Lotus Notes? Really?

Why can't our government have nice things?

Someone just got told, yes?

Well, he's right about lotus notes... not that it is a legitimate excuse.

Heh. I use Notes at work and my archive goes back 6 years. NEXT EXCUSE PLZ.

Yes, let's blame someone else for this administrations lack of responsibility.

Iraq = Dems fault for approving the war
Katrina = Louisiana residents' fault for not leaving town
Economy = Dems fault for not approving Bush's "cut taxes for the rich" program
Loss of e-mails = Lotus Notes fault
No WMDs = faulty intel (ironically the same intel used to make claims Iraq is a threat)
etc
etc
etc

My brother agrees.

/did tech support for IBM.

Notes/Domino fits perfectly into most business situations. Just don't use for email only. What a waste.

Too expensive to recover backup tapes. That's just funny.

I'm a Domino admin, so I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

/yes, really
//on AS/400 iSeries System i
///not NT, thank gawd

Hmm. Do we believe the virtually impossible, certainly incredulous testimony of people with big fat azzes to cover, or do we let the mountains of evidence and expert testimony convince us to investigate further?

Unfortunately, Congress still doesn't have a great track record with this type of issue.

Nestea Plunge: 5th graders make better excuses than this administration and the idiots who support them. BTW, congressman, one of the many fine features of Lotus Notes is an excellent archiving system.

let me guess - is it automatic?

R.A.Danny: Notes/Domino fits perfectly into most business situations. Just don't use for email only. What a waste.

oh please, we are talking about more than an email system and
they were probably using the features that include "forum-like" functionality.

The base synchronization frame-work with lotus notes is pretty amazing ... it's a pity every application written on top of the framework sucks.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with him there, Lotus Notes blows.


/forced to use it at work, ugh.

Maybe someone accidentally logged out of the console?

/what a pile.

Teambaylagoon: I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with him there, Lotus Notes blows.


/forced to use it at work, ugh.

well -- it works 100% of the time, features aside.

outlook, otoh, truly blows.

someone should let my company know that lotus notes is obsolete.

Why does the government use crappy out of date software like that? I have a buddy that works for the Feds, and I am always getting .wps files from him. Microsoft Works? Is it still 1990 in DC?

Notes? Blech!

Domino server isn't bad, but the Notes Client we use just plain sucks. I'm hoping we'll get Notes 8 soon, but then I'd have to upgrade most of the systems to deal with the immense bloat of the Eclipse platform.

Still...I'd prefer Outlook/Exchange over Notes any day.

ManRay: Why does the government use crappy out of date software like that? I have a buddy that works for the Feds, and I am always getting .wps files from him. Microsoft Works? Is it still 1990 in DC?

Write your congressmen, tell them to use Open Office

The White House sysadmin's getting a medal!

Why the hell hasn't a judge just ordered all these servers and tapes (from both the RNC and WH) seized and imaged for forensic purposes yet? Should be simple enough, and it's blatantly obvious that destruction of evidence has occurred. Someone needs to go to jail over this.

you know Bush better pardon everyone who ever worked for him before he leaves office pre-emptively. or I have a feeling a lot of crap is going to go down once a real attorney general gets to cracking on all these investigations.
and if the dems have a supermajority like I think they will there's going to be a lot of popcorn moments in the future.

If Bush doesn't get us all killed or bankrupts us first.

Smart thing he did buying up that huge estate in South America.
he might just have to retire there.

Hobodeluxe: Smart thing he did buying up that huge estate in South America.
he might just have to retire there.

If he does, I say we send in the CIA and "render" him back to face justice. He's probably got some enemies in the CIA too, after his attempt to pin the blame for the WMD intelligence fiasco on them.

i've been using notes since 1998.

I have email from 1998.

hell i bet they pissed enough democrat leaning Lotus Notes programmers around the us that would be more than willing to help school them on how that statement is less than accurate.

Hobodeluxe: you know Bush better pardon everyone who ever worked for him before he leaves office pre-emptively. or I have a feeling a lot of crap is going to go down once a real attorney general gets to cracking on all these investigations.

I think a great way for President Obama to start out would be to create a task force to remove Bush Administration corruption from the Executive Branch, from top to bottom. Maybe they could encourage career employees to come forward with any information they might have with the assurance that they wouldn't face retribution from above. I imagine a lot of people know stuff that they're afraid to share right now.

Mnemia: I think a great way for President Obama to start out would be to create a task force to remove Bush Administration corruption from the Executive Branch, from top to bottom. Maybe they could encourage career employees to come forward with any information they might have with the assurance that they wouldn't face retribution from above. I imagine a lot of people know stuff that they're afraid to share right now.

Are you kidding? The unemployment rate would skyrocket - no president (especially a new one) wants that on his/her record.

Mnemia: I think a great way for President Obama to start out would be to create a task force to remove Bush Administration corruption from the Executive Branch, from top to bottom. Maybe they could encourage career employees to come forward with any information they might have with the assurance that they wouldn't face retribution from above. I imagine a lot of people know stuff that they're afraid to share right now.

Witch hunt? The backlash would slaughter Democrats in Congress in 2010.

I think it would be more telling to count how many "non-political" career bureaucrats hired within the last 8 years quit the agencies of the Executive branch between November and January.

Notes is an abomination, just like Bush and his administration.

Impeach the Bush admin while there is still time.

Maditude: Notes is an abomination, just like Bush and his administration.

Better than Exchange, not quite as good as GroupWise.

I can believe it. They're probably still using DBaseIII for all their database purposes.

Considering all the Notes hate, what would people actually consider superior for more than just email?

Exchange is a nightmare to admin.

I don't even know what platform you can run GroupWise on anymore (enlighten me?).

I'm not a huge Notes/Domino fan but I don't actually hate the thing. The server is extremely stable on my platform, if slightly feature-lacking (thank God for third-party spam filtering). The server and client run on multiple platforms. It sucks, but seems to suck less.

What's better?

Amusingly, we'll probably never go to Notes 8, that bloatware client can't even function well on a workstation with a gig of RAM. WTF.

fosborb: Witch hunt? The backlash would slaughter Democrats in Congress in 2010.

Not a witchhunt; just a return to how government should be run. Which is that if corruption or incompetence is occurring, then people should be able to bring that to superiors' attention without fearing for their job. We've got to remove the poison from our government.

Notes? Heck, weren't there stories when the Clintons moved in about how the White House still had a manual switchboard, with someone sitting in a closet and physically moving plugs to connect calls?

The backend may be terrific and enterprisey, but the user interface of Blotus Goats is shamefully bad.

Subby:

Submitted the same link as: (dumbass)

"Help Wanted: White House seeks IT Professional. Pay: $15mil / hr"

Notes is the worst program of any kind I ever used.

I'm a Notes administrator and i'm getting a kick out of these replies...

Notes never was any kind of email program. It was, first and foremost, a groupware/workflow program.

I can make a simple workflow application in Notes in half a day.
This will include permissions on various sections of the document (for approvals) and electronic signatures at each approval (for authentication purposes)

The same app in any other workflow environment I've dealt with will take at least a week to code, and in Microsoft's case, at least 3 different servers (Exchange, Sharepoint, SQL Server) and will involve communication between all of them.

A recent article in CIO magazine listed major ways to improve your company through IT. Our company was doing all of them via a dozen internally coded Lotus Notes workflow applications.

I'll take the sorry email if I can have that kind of power.

Until two hours ago, I supported Notes.

Going forward, I'm only a user.

The thing that bugs me about Notes is that it defeats itself...it's challenging to find the setting you want to tweak to do X

All the Lotus Notes hate......I wish I could go back to using that program.

Military (USMC and NAVY) use the MS Outlook crap. Too many problems for me. When I used Lotus Notes out in the private sector...NEVER a problem. Loved it. Best I ever used in a organizational setting...and that includes GroupWise.

I use lotus notes at my work. The interface is a bit clunky, but it's stable and I've never had a problem with it.

Besides, it's a hell of a lot newer than our (c)1980 order management program.

I've used Lotus Notes a bit and, while it seemed a bit dated and some of the bells and whistles weren't so hot, the basic stuff worked perfectly fine pretty much always. Especially the "doesn't lose emails" part. I think I still had almost every email I'd ever gotten when I left the company. So did practically everyone else in the office seeing as it was policy to keep any significant email until there were severe space issues.

If Lotus really lost stuff often enough that it was a big problem, I really doubt they would have still been using it. So I'm going to have to...go ahead and call bull on this one. Yyyyeah.

Ah, Darrell Issa; the guy who launched the Califirnia recall campaign, and then cried on camera when the party gave the nod to Arnie.