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(Election Geek) Hero Chris Dodd calls on party to end primary and submit to our new Obama overlord   (electiongeek.com) divider line 109
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I Said [TotalFark] 2008-03-27 09:12:54 PM  
Reaffirming my position that Dodd is a good man who would have made a fine president.

And my position that no one wants Hillary except for Hillary, the nutters on Hillaryis44, feminazis, and racist democrats.

 
Richard Pye 2008-03-27 09:17:15 PM  
RON PA-GOBAMA!!!

 
IronTom [TotalFark] 2008-03-27 09:18:38 PM  
hehe, Nobama

 
burndtdan 2008-03-27 11:11:21 PM  
i predict we see a little more of this sentiment rustling through the superdelegates after the clinton fundraisers threatened them politically if they didn't fall in line.

 
Neurochemist 2008-03-28 12:29:10 AM  
I just loathe having to hear the media cover Hilary's "BIG COMEBACK" in Pennsylvania, when she carries it just like she carried Ohio.

They will completely ignore the regional aspect of it (which is clear if you look at a map) and make it sound like she is "really gaining ground" on Obama.. They will spend days analyzing where the Obama campaign "went wrong" and whether they can "stop her momentum" ... Then Obama will slaughter her in Indiana and North Carolina (exactly as the polls have indicated) and her odds fall from .001% to .000001%.

The best thing Obama can do is... him and all his staff go on all the major shows the day before (and of) the election and point out the brutal reality behind the math. Her campaigned is damned. Voting for her, at this point, after she has no chance of winning, is essentially promoting a drag out fight, and that is essentially the same as supporting McCain over Obama.

 
rustik [TotalFark] 2008-03-28 02:13:59 AM  
i93.photobucket.com

 
rustik [TotalFark] 2008-03-28 02:14:38 AM  
Err, let's try that again..

i93.photobucket.com

 
dbirchall [TotalFark] 2008-03-28 02:16:25 AM  
I Said: no one wants Hillary except for Hillary, the nutters on Hillaryis44, feminazis, and racist democrats.

Um, you left out the Republicans, who want her to be the candidate because she's less of a threat to their way of doing things.

 
lolmadillo 2008-03-28 02:18:23 AM  
WAIT WAIT WAIT

A strong top-line candidate is good for all of the other candidates in that party?

i hope nancy's do-nothing crew enjoyed a couple years on top, cause if they don't settle this shiat soon, its back to the smaller office spaces

 
Time Traveler 2008-03-28 02:20:46 AM  
punditkitchen.wordpress.com

 
Master of the Flying Guillotine 2008-03-28 02:24:10 AM  
News on Sunday: James Carville compares Chris Dodd to Benedict Arnold.

News on Monday: Man on internet compares James Carville to Skeletor.

 
Neurochemist 2008-03-28 02:24:23 AM  
www.shockpoint.com

 
sarcastrophe 2008-03-28 02:25:40 AM  
And this is why democracy is a horrible form of government. These 51/49 (obama/clinton) splits inside of a 51/49 (rep/dem) populace just go to prove that democracy can 100% succeed at pissing off a large number of people.

When the left AND the right are redistributing wealth (left to the poor, right to the rich), you know something is seriously jacked up.

Middle class? Bah... there won't be one soon.

 
Scrotar 2008-03-28 02:26:42 AM  
Richard Pye - I can think of about 1,601 differences between Obama and Ron Paul

/and 1,304 differences between Ron Paul and John McCain

 
sarcastrophe 2008-03-28 02:26:52 AM  
I should add that I'm well aware we don't have a true democracy -- even if it does feel that way sometimes.

 
Lenny_da_Hog 2008-03-28 02:31:07 AM  
Translation: Obama/Dodd `08.

 
bookelly 2008-03-28 02:32:09 AM  
Was the video at the end supposed to be a retarded girl?

 
Louder And More Dissonant 2008-03-28 02:36:03 AM  
dbirchall: I Said: no one wants Hillary except for Hillary, the nutters on Hillaryis44, feminazis, and racist democrats.

Um, you left out the Republicans, who want her to be the candidate because she's less of a threat to their way of doing things.


And old people.

Don't forget old people.

 
Gosling [TotalFark] 2008-03-28 02:37:58 AM  
Neurochemist: I just loathe having to hear the media cover Hilary's "BIG COMEBACK" in Pennsylvania, when she carries it just like she carried Ohio.

They will completely ignore the regional aspect of it (which is clear if you look at a map) and make it sound like she is "really gaining ground" on Obama.. They will spend days analyzing where the Obama campaign "went wrong" and whether they can "stop her momentum" ... Then Obama will slaughter her in Indiana and North Carolina (exactly as the polls have indicated) and her odds fall from .001% to .000001%.

The best thing Obama can do is... him and all his staff go on all the major shows the day before (and of) the election and point out the brutal reality behind the math. Her campaigned is damned. Voting for her, at this point, after she has no chance of winning, is essentially promoting a drag out fight, and that is essentially the same as supporting McCain over Obama.


I don't know about you, but I e-mailed the highest-profile superdelegate still uncommitted in my state (Herb Kohl) earlier tonight and basically told him the same thing.

 
Lenny_da_Hog 2008-03-28 02:38:16 AM  
Louder And More Dissonant:
Don't forget old people.


GET OFFA MAH LAWN.

/ptthpt! to Hillary.

 
Closed_Minded_Bastage 2008-03-28 02:46:43 AM  
Chris Dodd can suck a dick. Let the rest of the states that haven't voted yet (like Oregon), have their say also.

/I'm voting for the other guy. No not that one, the other one

 
Whatsleft 2008-03-28 02:54:25 AM  
Closed_Minded_Bastage: Chris Dodd can suck a dick. Let the rest of the states that haven't voted yet (like Oregon), have their say also.

/I'm voting for the other guy. No not that one, the other one


I don't wanna stand in the way of your fury, but I think he's pretty clearly saying that the primaries should continue but that after they are done, the party should rally around the winner, rather than let it go to the convention in ambiguity. I may have misinterpreted him, but that's what I got from it.

 
24-Bit Voxel 2008-03-28 02:55:58 AM  
sarcastrophe: And this is why democracy is a horrible form of government. These 51/49 (obama/clinton) splits inside of a 51/49 (rep/dem) populace just go to prove that democracy can 100% succeed at pissing off a large number of people.

When the left AND the right are redistributing wealth (left to the poor, right to the rich), you know something is seriously jacked up.

Middle class? Bah... there won't be one soon.


Sweet I guess that means I'm gonna get some money soon. Also, both sides redistribute wealth to the rich... or haven't you heard of Hillary's health care idea.

They play for the same team but keep us distracted through petty squabbling. Divide and conquer isn't such a new idea.

 
Neurochemist 2008-03-28 03:02:54 AM  
Closed_Minded_Bastage: Chris Dodd can suck a dick. Let the rest of the states that haven't voted yet (like Oregon), have their say also.

/I'm voting for the other guy. No not that one, the other one


He didn't say anything about canceling the other states primaries. He just is tired of ignoring the obvious results of what has happened this far. Surely you can comprehend that at some point, mathematically, what happens in all the remaining states becomes irrelevant because of what happened in the states that voted earlier.It may not be fair, but that is how it works. That theoretical point is reached, when it becomes mathematically improbable for Hilary to overtake Obama's lead.

This is nothing new, in fact, we used the same logic we use to "projecting winners" on an election night, Obama would of already been announced as the "Projected Winner" of this election. (new window) Of course that doesn't mean we stop counting the actual votes... We just stop playing mathematically retarded about where things stand.

 
carmody 2008-03-28 03:05:15 AM  
But...but...but... Clinton?

 
sarcastrophe 2008-03-28 03:12:02 AM  
24-Bit Voxel: Also, both sides redistribute wealth to the rich... or haven't you heard of Hillary's health care idea.

Why do you think Big MedicineTM overwhelmingly favors the Democrats? Because they care about the people? That's a good joke. An industry where the government legislates and requires that your customers continue to be your customers is by far the best industry to be in.

 
RageAgainstTheMachine 2008-03-28 03:40:09 AM  
You tell 'em, Doddinator.

 
Madadder 2008-03-28 03:58:27 AM  
Gregory F. Stuart: Damn straight. That's why we should vote Republicans back into office in 2008. It's high time we had some accountability and fiscal restraint in this country! Besides, who else has the capacity to lead America in what is looking to be a very rocky future on the foreign policy front? The Democrats? Don't make me laugh.

Vote Republican, because America deserves their leadership.


Please be satire, please be satire, please be satire.

 
sarcastrophe 2008-03-28 04:04:16 AM  
Gregory F. Stuart: Damn straight. That's why we should vote Republicans back into office in 2008. It's high time we had some accountability and fiscal restraint in this country! Besides, who else has the capacity to lead America in what is looking to be a very rocky future on the foreign policy front? The Democrats? Don't make me laugh.

Vote Republican, because America deserves their leadership.


You're mocking me under the assumption that I think the Republicans are better. Your assumption is false.

 
quatchi 2008-03-28 04:18:27 AM  
submit to our new Obama overlord

I, for one, welcome our new O-verlord!

www.imagehosting.com

Much better than the last one that's fer sure.

Also: The older than dirt pretender to the throne and the pathological liar in the pantsuit Overlords they frighten me!

 
phillydrifter 2008-03-28 04:21:12 AM  
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Richard Pye: RON PA-GOBAMA!!!
This, though I don't know if it'll happen. Paul already got reelected to his seat in Texas.

Time Traveler: very nice.

sarcastrophe: I should add that I'm well aware we don't have a true democracy -- even if it does feel that way sometimes.

Repeat after me: "Democratic Republic." That's what we are. We elect people to make our choices for us (because most of us are too stupid, and most of us believe the lies perpetrated by the MSM, who are no doubt in bed with Uncle Sam.)

Closed_Minded_Bastage: /I'm voting for the other guy. No not that one, the other one

Vote Ron Paul in your primary. Vote Obama in the general election. Please.

 
sarcastrophe 2008-03-28 04:39:44 AM  
phillydrifter: Repeat after me: "Democratic Republic." That's what we are. We elect people to make our choices for us (because most of us are too stupid, and most of us believe the lies perpetrated by the MSM, who are no doubt in bed with Uncle Sam.)

That's why I added that. A democratic republic is much different from a democracy... although I still contend that I feel like I live in a democracy a lot of the time.

 
Bull Schmitt 2008-03-28 04:47:09 AM  
1) The overwhelming presumption of Democrats other than die-hard Clinton supporters is that the Superdelegates should not overturn the decision of the voters (pledged delegates) from all the nominating contests (irrespective of primary or caucus, big state or small, red state or blue).

2) There is no way for Clinton to win the nomination at this point without a significant portion of Obama supporters viewing it as shenanigans, a coup by Superdelegates. (Obama's base is also much heavier on Independents/swing voters needed in the general election.)

3) If something comes up between now and the roll call at the convention that actually makes Obama unelectable, the Superdelegates can still pick a different nominee - there is no way for either candidate to reach an absolute majority of total delegates (without the help of 'Supers') whether Clinton competes in the remaining contests or not.

Here Comes the Math:

Pledged Delegates Won as of 3/27/08 (totals from AP/NBC)

Obama - 1406
Clinton - 1250
Unallocated-14

4) Assume a fair, to reasonably generous result for Clinton in the next three contests:

PA (158 Pledged Delegates) - Clinton wins 57-43% (90 - 68, + 22)
NC (115 Pledged Delegates) - Obama wins 54-46% (53 - 62, -9)
IN (72 Pledged Delegates) - Vote tied 50-50% (36 - 36, +0)

This makes the pledged delegate count:

Obama - 1572
Clinton - 1429
Unallocated-14

5) Obama retains a lead of +143 in pledged delegates, with just 7 contests and 221 pledged delegates remaining.
* Clinton would now need to win those 182-39 (82.4% ... +143) just to tie Obama.
* Obama would need 55 of the last 221 (24.9%) to reach 1,627 pledged delegates, an absolute majority of the 3,253 pledged delegates determined in sanctioned contests.

 
Hector Remarkable 2008-03-28 04:57:32 AM  
Is the country really ready to have a president whose name begins with a vowel for the fifth time?

 
I need a new name 2008-03-28 05:20:50 AM  
sarcastrophe: And this is why democracy is a horrible form of government. These 51/49 (obama/clinton) splits inside of a 51/49 (rep/dem) populace just go to prove that democracy can 100% succeed at pissing off a large number of people.

When the left AND the right are redistributing wealth (left to the poor, right to the rich), you know something is seriously jacked up.

Middle class? Bah... there won't be one soon.


You know, France had the same problem after we said "F U" to England. They went crazy during and after their revolution (Reign of Terror, Napoleon).

Things could get messy around here.

 
EMPulse_of_KC 2008-03-28 05:40:10 AM  

Our "new Obama overlord?"...

img57.imageshack.us

"OHHHHHHH-BAMAAAAAA"
"OHHHHHHH-BAMAAAAAA"

 
LonMead 2008-03-28 06:18:26 AM  
GO 'BAMA!!!
Gonna kick Auburn's ass this year!!


(what do you mean it's the OTHER Bama?)

Oh, Bama!

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-03-28 06:28:38 AM  
Looks like Hillary is hurting for cash again. (^)

Pa Sen and super delegate Bob Casey endorsing Obama at 11 am today. (^)

Obama has moved his main man to Pa ahead of his 6 day bus tour and made huge buys for tv spots.

Is he moving in for the kill? Did he play a little okie-doke in Pa?
There's been a lot of registration going on that those polls of "likely voters" won't show. anything less than a 10 pt lead for Hillary is a loss. Obama should have no problem winning big in N.C. If it lasts that long.


to add to Bull Schmitt's post up there

Number 6 The superdelegates cannot forget when looking at Hillary's numbers that up to 10% of her vote in the open primary states are Limbaugh Republicans.

 
Pillager 2008-03-28 06:40:11 AM  
sarcastrophe: 51/49 (rep/dem) populace

Actually, the GOP lost some ground under Bush jr.

Try 30%.

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-03-28 07:28:03 AM  
Pillager: sarcastrophe: 51/49 (rep/dem) populace

Actually, the GOP lost some ground under Bush jr.

Try 30%.


I don't think 51/49 registration was ever true. More like 40/60, but when you discount people that show up to the polls, and idiot conservative democrats, the elections have been 51/49.

/too lazy to find the actual numbers.

 
EvilTwinSkipster 2008-03-28 07:40:34 AM  
LonMead: GO 'BAMA!!!
Gonna kick Auburn's ass this year!!

(what do you mean it's the OTHER Bama?)

Oh, Bama!


I lol'ed.

Roll Tide Roll!

 
Nimnom 2008-03-28 07:57:29 AM  
But his middle name is Hussein and he s a Muslim with a crazy Christian preacher!

 
Descartes 2008-03-28 08:14:57 AM  
Why should voters be allowed to control the process? Let's just have a backroom deal and settle it now.

 
Impeach Cheney First 2008-03-28 08:26:09 AM  
<b>Descartes:</b> <i>Why should voters be allowed to control the process? Let's just have a backroom deal and settle it now.</i>

Yeah! There shouldn't be a back room deal to determine the candidate! The Democrats should nominate the person who's won the most delegates. And the popular vote. And the most states. Oh wait...

 
EMPulse_of_KC 2008-03-28 08:27:21 AM  
i80.photobucket.com
www.usafoods.com.au

 
cartersdad 2008-03-28 08:39:48 AM  
But didn't some article say that they should both step down to welcome our new Global Warming Overlord?

 
barjockey 2008-03-28 08:44:45 AM  
Obama's a helluva drug.

 
SherKhan 2008-03-28 08:49:41 AM  
Hooting and hollering heckling Right
Watching what's left of the Left as they fight
As factions seek traction in any fell way
A fractioning fracas, a fractious foes' fray
Both wonks the two donkeys buck bristle and bray
Animal animus today's on display
A little bird sings in my ear chirp-a-cheep
We're watching jackasses get jeered by sheared sheep

 
Descartes 2008-03-28 08:52:54 AM  
Impeach Cheney First: Yeah! There shouldn't be a back room deal to determine the candidate! The Democrats should nominate the person who's won the most delegates. And the popular vote. And the most states. Oh wait...

How can you seriously argue that all the voters don't deserve a chance to help decide the winner? Your point only makes sense if Obama has won. He hasn't won.

 
Master of the Flying Guillotine 2008-03-28 08:55:01 AM  
Hobodeluxe: Looks like Hillary is hurting for cash again. (^)

Interesting second story in that link about Edwards maybe endorsing. Clinton. Hope he doesn't. The third story there is also pretty interesting and daunting, but it's a cautious bet.

Not familiar with Sneed. Are Sneed's reports usually accurate?

 
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