Look at Nancy, doing the right thing.

Bush must be much scarier in person. If she can find the cajones to stand up to China, he should be a piece of cake.

You watch it, China - Pelosi's vicious with those strongly-worded press releases. And if you really cross her she'll call for a conference.

That's right, a conference. With five-star catering. Biatch don't play.

hillbillypharmacist: Look at Nancy, doing the right thing.

Bush must be much scarier in person. If she can find the cajones to stand up to China, he should be a piece of cake.

It's an election year and she's trying to keep both her seat in the House and the Speakership. If she succeeds on both counts, then come January, the appearance of a spine will disappear again.

Tibet has no oil, so much like the states Hillary lost, they aren't important.

Unless Feinstein looks nervous during China talk then it's not really toughtalk.

Lets sit down and talk about Israel then...

....didn't think so.

Nepal's been beating up Tibetan protestors in the past and present. And the rioters there weren't even setting chinese girls on fire there. This sounds like a Pelosi PR grab to me.

Sweet Jesus. Finally a thread on this topic.

These people are fighting for their freedom -- and being crushed. Where are the god damn 'freedom loving' neo-cons now?

Literally. . .I believe there is political hay to be made here.

It's sickening.

Free Trade is paying for this shiat. Period.

Considering 70% of Americans think free trade has been a mistake. . .why not push this to the limits in an election year.

Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

fark the GodDamn Chinese.

DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Judging from your chart, we're in the minority.

woman has more balls than most male reps. give it up.

Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Why? Action through inaction?

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

hillbillypharmacist

Yeah, but Pelosi caves to Bush on a regular basis. I seriously doubt that this is anything other than 'I find this terribly offensive'. (I'm a democrat, FYI)

They've had the moral high ground for years now (With the Bush admin. thats not saying a lot.) I'm really at a loss at whats stopping them from launching an investigation into this sort of thing.

Of course, with Mukasey in charge of the DOJ, any effort in that direction will probably be a big pile of 'I don't recall'.

/Incompetence at that highest levels of government should be a prosecutable crime.

Unright: Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Why? Action through inaction?

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

THIS

/good luck tho

Jeff_from_MD: Nepal's been beating up Tibetan protestors in the past and present. And the rioters there weren't even setting chinese girls on fire there. This sounds like a Pelosi PR grab to me.

Oh bs...like the Tibetan's are setting chinese girls on fire. Ridiculous. The Chinese are in the wrong here and every time they spout some nonsense about the "evil" Dalai Llama and his riotus followers they just make them selves look like the authoritarian assclowns that they are.

I can understand why private citizens want to speak on the issue. I have a problem with the corrupt American government doing it. Why isn't she busting ass to get Guantanamo closed down? Why doesn't she admit that America is torturing people?

China and Tibet is a domestic that has no impact on the US.

Boycotting the Olympics will do nothing other than hurt the athletes that worked hard to get there.

Feels good, doesn't it Democrats?

Unright: Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Why? Action through inaction?

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

Thats literally impossible at this point, completely impossible. Unless you go live on a farm like a mennonite and never leave, ever. Then you MIIIIIGHT manage to never use/buy another chinese product.

Were sooo farking farked.

Still makes me wish one of the presidential debate questioners had the balls to ask this one...

"Senator Clinton. You were on the board of Wal-Mart Stores from 1986 to 1992. During each of those years, Wal-Mart's imports from China grew, and they quadrupled during those six years. What was your reaction, and the reaction of the Wal-Mart board, to the Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989?"

Gulper Eel: You watch it, China - Pelosi's vicious with those strongly-worded press releases. And if you really cross her she'll call for a conference.

That's right, a conference. With five-star catering. Biatch don't play.

I don't think it would be prudent at this juncture to support such extreme measures.

Unright: Why? Action through inaction?

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

This right there.

Of course that's next to impossible for individual citizens to do, due to the deals that have progressed over the past decade or so (remember when Wal-Mart was all about "made in the USA"?)

The big issue is, should cheap cash prices be the end-all and be-all of value judgements, or not?

DarnoKonrad: Free Trade is paying for this shiat. Period.

Considering 70% of Americans think free trade has been a mistake. . .why not push this to the limits in an election year.

You are an idiot. Free trade - like NAFTA? There is no Free Trade Agreement with China, you moron. You have so many left leaning pseudo-radical phrases rattling around in your empty head that the words coming out of your mouth don't make sense. Why don't you go get a new sign painted and go stand in front of your local Chinese restaurant to protest.

And quit pulling numbers like "70% of Americans think free trade is a mistake". Did Hillary tell you to say that? 70% of Americans owe their farking jobs to NAFTA, dickhead.

Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Suicidal Writer: I can understand why private citizens want to speak on the issue. I have a problem with the corrupt American government doing it. Why isn't she busting ass to get Guantanamo closed down? Why doesn't she admit that America is torturing people?

Our human rights failures in no way justify China's. I'm willing to have my country called on its hypocrisy if it helps us to regain our moral standing in the world.

Suicidal Writer: I can understand why private citizens want to speak on the issue. I have a problem with the corrupt American government doing it. Why isn't she busting ass to get Guantanamo closed down? Why doesn't she admit that America is torturing people?

Another excellent question.

One might also ask, if Chicago (heaven forbid) got the Olympics, would it be cool if countries the world over boycott them over the Iraq war, torture, etc?

Unright: Why? Action through inaction?

We boycotted the Moscow Olympics for their violation of Afghanistan's sovereignty and human rights. China has been raping Tibet for decades, not to mention their horrible human rights records in regards to their own people. It's a symbolic gesture, but a powerful one.

When the President is constantly telling people that we are in the Middle East to foster freedom and democracy, but constantly bends over for other nations like China and Saudi Arabia, it makes the message that America cares about those concepts somewhat laughable.

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

I think we should be doing that as well. I try to avoid buying anything made in China if I can help it. I try to buy American as much as possible, and when that isn't an option, I try to find things made by nations that are our allies or don't have a wretched human rights record.

There's a reason I don't own a whole lot of stuff.

Rodeodoc: You are an idiot. Free trade - like NAFTA? There is no Free Trade Agreement with China, you moron.

There's only the WTO. The WTO agreements enshrine free trade, with hardly any exceptions (a notable one is "national security" which is why in the modern US, military hardware and the "military industrial complex" is pretty much the last vestige of high-wage assembly-type manufacturing jobs).

Meanwhile, this past year the limits on textile imports by country were removed, so clothing that has been made in Mexico has all run to China.

With the Olympics, completely apart from the Tibet and Darfur issues, people complain so loudly about pollution. Well, why do you think it's so polluted? All the dirty industries moved over there, where this is no regulation and no desire to HAVE regulation, as the lack of it (and resulting cash savings) is precisely why a lot of that stuff moved there.

So yeah, the world could stand to consider for a moment the role they play in the process.

I agree with Pelosi here, but she and Reid are completely worthless grandstanders. They probably hurt the Democratic Party more than Howard "Mr. Leadership" Dean does and Dean seems intent on costing them what should be an easy election.

Rodeodoc: DarnoKonrad: Free Trade is paying for this shiat. Period.

Considering 70% of Americans think free trade has been a mistake. . .why not push this to the limits in an election year.

You are an idiot. Free trade - like NAFTA? There is no Free Trade Agreement with China, you moron. You have so many left leaning pseudo-radical phrases rattling around in your empty head that the words coming out of your mouth don't make sense. Why don't you go get a new sign painted and go stand in front of your local Chinese restaurant to protest.

And quit pulling numbers like "70% of Americans think free trade is a mistake". Did Hillary tell you to say that? 70% of Americans owe their farking jobs to NAFTA, dickhead.

Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Hey dickcheese remember those nice manufacturing jobs like skilled mechanical construction? Free trade is a great way for rich people to get richer, but it utterly farks anyone who doesn't have the majority of their wealth in stocks and business ventures.

Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

that

Rodeodoc: You are an idiot. Free trade - like NAFTA? There is no Free Trade Agreement with China, you moron. You have so many left leaning pseudo-radical phrases rattling around in your empty head that the words coming out of your mouth don't make sense. Why don't you go get a new sign painted and go stand in front of your local Chinese restaurant to protest.

contracts and agreements make for fair trade situations, where the terms are set.

free trade, on the other hand, is trade without restrictions, where the only terms are what the people involved negotiate. hence why we are importing a shiat ton of poorly made chinese products for next to nothing that probably would have some sort of terms associated with them if there were a political agreement to work with/around.

Yahozna
Oh bs...like the Tibetan's are setting chinese girls on fire. Ridiculous. The Chinese are in the wrong here and every time they spout some nonsense about the "evil" Dalai Llama and his riotus followers they just make them selves look like the authoritarian assclowns that they are.

5 chinese girls were set on fire. about a 9 other Chinese civilians were beaten to death unprovoked. And this is just what's documented/recorded.

Their shops were also set on fire, and cars overturned.

Boycott the Olympics if you want, but don't stand behind acts of violence like you're farkin proud of it. It's like saying we're gonna free the shiat out of Iraqi civilians, by making them collateral damage.

Uh, wedon'thave the moral authority to speak up about human rights, that ship has sailed.

Maybe next year.

Rodeodoc:
You are an idiot. Free trade - like NAFTA? There is no Free Trade Agreement with China, you moron. You have so many left leaning pseudo-radical phrases rattling around in your empty head that the words coming out of your mouth don't make sense. Why don't you go get a new sign painted and go stand in front of your local Chinese restaurant to protest.

And quit pulling numbers like "70% of Americans think free trade is a mistake". Did Hillary tell you to say that? 70% of Americans owe their farking jobs to NAFTA, dickhead.

Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to breed.

My bad: It's only 60%

I like the way you threw around a bunch of epithets like they mattered tho.


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Jeff_from_MD: 5 chinese girls were set on fire. about a 9 other Chinese civilians were beaten to death unprovoked. And this is just what's documented/recorded.

Their shops were also set on fire, and cars overturned.

Yeah. I'm no fan of what the Chinese government is doing either, but it's not as if there is no violence in the other direction. It's an ethnic war, pretty much. Somehow that part isn't making much English-language news though.

Meanwhile completely apart from all the political things and the current disagreements/violence, for at least the past decade there have been hordes of majority Han Chinese moved into the area, to the point that young kids mostly are plugged into mainstream Chinese pop culture, don't speak Tibetan at home anymore, etc. So there's a generational divide going on as well.

Surely some of it was intentional moves by the government but once it starts, the power of the mass media market pretty much takes over.

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Some real gripping footage not hacked into 10 second clips by the news

not to hijack your post, but that proves my point, and that violence is incredibly unconducive to the Tibetan cause. Again, if those mobs were dissaffected blacks and this was the 1960s United States, do you think we'd be like "oh ok, free Texas!"

itazurakko: Surely some of it was intentional moves by the government but once it starts, the power of the mass media market pretty much takes over.

It's the new ethnic cleansing. Instead of killing them all, you just over power their culture to the point where yours completely takes over and the new generation grows up without good knowledge of their heritage, so they emulate the dominant one.

It's cheaper, more effective, and doesn't draw the international outrage that death squads and rape gangs tend to. Unless it takes place in Africa, in which case no one cares.

Jeff_from_MD: error
Some real gripping footage not hacked into 10 second clips by the news

not to hijack your post, but that proves my point, and that violence is incredibly unconducive to the Tibetan cause. Again, if those mobs were dissaffected blacks and this was the 1960s United States, do you think we'd be like "oh ok, free Texas!"



The Chinese are wrong.

Jeff_from_MD: Again, if those mobs were dissaffected blacks and this was the 1960s United States, do you think we'd be like "oh ok, free Texas!"

If Texas were an independent nation largely populated by black people, and the US had decided to subjugate Texas, then I think we might.

A more apt analogy would be slave uprisings, and the abolitionist organizations that supported them.

Aarontology: It's the new ethnic cleansing. Instead of killing them all, you just over power their culture to the point where yours completely takes over and the new generation grows up without good knowledge of their heritage, so they emulate the dominant one.

It can be, absolutely, and that tends to be the result.

But on the other hand, people involved will often say, "why can't we hang around in internet cafes and wear the latest fashions and listen to rock music like you do? Why do you insist that we keep to 'traditional ways' to satisfy your tourism?"

It's a devil's advocate argument, but there's some truth to it too.

Where the clash isn't so sudden, of course, there's more time for the local stuff to merge with the dominant stuff and pass some character on, so that it becomes "modern version of the old stuff" but... it's really easy to fall into a view that certain people should stay "quaint" when it's not always what they want to do, either.

That said of course, it should be noted that a lot of the issues with rioting in Kurdistan were due to Saddam's "Arabization" policy for the region, he moved Arabs in to areas with oil. Once 30 years pass, that can't be easily undone either. People are coming "back" to their old areas, only to confront people who themselves were now born and raised there and consider it home.

It's interesting too to compare the young kids living in Tibet with those who have grown up seeing themselves as exiles, in Dharamsala.

It is very simple. As long as Tibet offers total air dominance over India, China will hold Tibet at any cost.

Any. Cost.

mister13
Tibet has no oil, so much like the states Hillary lost, they aren't important.

Lots of Uranium however. At least they did before China marched in.

Unright: Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Boycott the mutherfarking Olympics.

This.

Why? Action through inaction?

How about making a real sacrifice and boycotting cheap 'Made in China' products?

THIS

If we don't speak out against the US oppression in Iraq, we have lost all moral authority to speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world.

Bored Horde: It is very simple. As long as Tibet offers total air dominance over India, China will hold Tibet at any cost.

Any. Cost.

When you say 'air dominance' are you referring to commercial air travel or a staging area for a military air force base?

jcooli09: Uh, wedon'thave the moral authority to speak up about human rights, that ship has sailed.

Maybe next year.

This times 100

hillbillypharmacist: Look at Nancy, doing the right thing.

Bush must be much scarier in person. If she can find the cajones to stand up to China, he should be a piece of cake.

I suppose large boxes would be helpful when standing up to a bully, but the word you're looking for is cojones.