Someone's getting a little paranoid.

Nice try. But .

What they do not understand is that this is the last gasp of the Clintonistas... their first wound was when Howard Dean was elected to the chairmanship of the DNC. Their second was the implosion of the DLC and Lieberman being drummed out of the party. A loss of the "inevitable" Clinton nomination would be a mortal blow to the Clinton dynasty.

Code_Archeologist: What they do not understand is that this is the last gasp of the Clintonistas... their first wound was when Howard Dean was elected to the chairmanship of the DNC. Their second was the implosion of the DLC and Lieberman being drummed out of the party. A loss of the "inevitable" Clinton nomination would be a mortal blow to the Clinton dynasty.

Pretty much this. After this is all over with, she'll have the same kind of political capital that Teddy Kennedy had after Chappaquiddick. The point being, it didn't matter if he was the last surviving Kennedy brother or not, he had screwed himself out of any high aspirations well before TK killed that girl. In the same kind of way, the Clinton coattails aren't what they once were, and fewer people feel politically beholden to them anymore.

Does this mean that Chelsea is Octavian? I'm not going to compare monica to cleopatra. that'll explode my brain.

We should work hard to end the little Caesarians salad days and keep them in their own section.

That should do it for my pun quota.

The Clintons only have power as long as people agree they have power and influence. They have no source of political clout apart from their "brand". If everyone agrees that the "brand" is inferior, it loses it's clout. Their political capital becomes Monopoly money.

No wonder they're so panicked.

Does this mean Eliot Spitzer is Caligula?

Gulper Eel: Does this mean Eliot Spitzer is Caligula?

if the democrats start holding caligula style orgies, I may have to rethink my Republican membership.

I'm totally down with partying with Titus Pullo.

Weaver95: if the democrats start holding caligula style orgies, I may have to rethink my Republican membership.

You'd better be hoping that movie version of "Caligula" was WAY off base, otherwise it'd be wise to beware of Caesars bearing tubs of lard. Just saying.

I love this thread.

Hugh Hewitt is one of the 5 stupidest people in America.

Weaver95: Does this mean that Chelsea is Octavian? I'm not going to compare monica to cleopatra. that'll explode my brain.

I think of her more as Caesarion. Octavian was an adopted son, remember.

Who plays Nero?

Bill Frist: Who plays Nero?

The president in 2108? Nero was 100 years after Caesar.

DamnYankees: I think of her more as Caesarion. Octavian was an adopted son, remember.

Ah, right! I forgot that bit.

Tell me why I should believe a Nutjob site like TownHall would have any real insight to the goings on within the Clinton or Obama camps?

Every day that goes by without Clinton making whatever graceful exit is still possible for her will further erode whatever political clout she has left.

The sun has set on the the Clintonian hegemony over the Democratic party.

Thank you for explicitly labelling the Town Hall link, subby. It saved me from actually wasting my time trying to RTFA

neaux fear:

yeah, ted kennedy's political career totally ended. he definitely wasn't a senator for 40 years or anything. that's a pretty low ranking position. it's kind of like "walmart checker", same pay, same benefits, same influence on the us. politics.

/head explodes

Is this a college English course or something? What's with the Democrat Party elite using all the New Testament/Classical Civilization metaphors? What's with all the fag talk?

The extreme right is funny.

If Bill and Hillary are King and Queen, I'm really glad America isn't a monarchy.

If Hilary Clinton is Julius Caesar, then I get to be Terell Owens.

/Oh what life would be like if I made millions for catching a ball.

What's with the Democrat Party elite using all the New Testament/Classical Civilization metaphors?

It's just code we knew the Right wouldn't be able to decipher.

I can't believe this blogger things the Clintonistas still have much power. If they DID Hillary wouldn't be in this mess.

The Clintons and their ilk are on the outs.

/Oh what life would be like if I made millions for catching dropping a ball.

FTFY

Springy23: Oh what life would be like if I made millions for catching a ball.

If only Hillary knew how to do that...

This kind of goes with another article i read on Hillary, forget what magazine, where they basically stated that Hillary had a sense of inevitability and entitlement with regards to getting the nomination. They've been so embroiled in beltway politics that they think that their political connections should just deliver the nomination for them. And they see the current situation as a betrayal. Personally, I don't believe in political dynasties. Not that I wouldn't vote for a close relative of a former president, if they had policies that I agreed with, but I wouldn't vote for them on the basis of thier connection to a former president.

Cake Hunter: We should work hard to end the little Caesarians salad days and keep them in their own section.

That should do it for my pun quota.

since nobody else said anything, i will.

I lol'd.

nice to see that town hall is so concerned with the welfare of prominent democrats.

If the Democratic superdelegates were really worried about the implosion of the party, then why don't enough of them come out and side with Obama and put it to rest? I think the indication here is that the Clintons do have tremendous sway.

I would say that at this point, it's not Hillary who is bringing down the party, but the superdelegates who are holding out for fear/hope that she'll have a case.

Gore, Edwards and Pelosi in particular could end it now and save the party from "snatching defeat...."

At the same time, I'm not convinced that a prolonged fight wouldn't be in the party's best interest, in regards to extra publicity...but the polls are clearly showing that McCain is benefiting.

sfl: I think the indication here is that the Clintons do have tremendous sway.

I think its fairer to say a lot of Democratic Superdelegates are party functionaries who have no public experience, have never been on the national stage, and thus have zero spine and are absolutely terrified of actually doing something which would make a difference.

GOd Save the Queen... oh wait, did we fight a revolution?

DamnYankees: sfl: I think the indication here is that the Clintons do have tremendous sway.

I think its fairer to say a lot of Democratic Superdelegates are party functionaries who have no public experience, have never been on the national stage, and thus have zero spine and are absolutely terrified of actually doing something which would make a difference.

Well, that is likely true, but I think it's a little of both.

Sir Roderick Glossop: The Clintons only have power as long as people agree they have power and influence. They have no source of political clout apart from their "brand". If everyone agrees that the "brand" is inferior, it loses it's clout. Their political capital becomes Monopoly money.

No wonder they're so panicked.

Exactly what I came here to say. Watch what happens to that Saudi money Bill's been getting after they find out it gets them access to jack shiat. He's continually tarnishing what tattered legacy he may have had. The Clintons are teetering on the edge of irrelevance.

sfl: DamnYankees: sfl: I think the indication here is that the Clintons do have tremendous sway.

I think its fairer to say a lot of Democratic Superdelegates are party functionaries who have no public experience, have never been on the national stage, and thus have zero spine and are absolutely terrified of actually doing something which would make a difference.

Well, that is likely true, but I think it's a little of both.

Fair enough. There probably is a serious scare factor if you are an under-the-radar party worker who has a superdelegate vote and you get a call from Bill Clinton, pissed and demanding you sure as hell better not endorse Obama.

DamnYankees: Fair enough. There probably is a serious scare factor if you are an under-the-radar party worker who has a superdelegate vote and you get a call from Bill Clinton, pissed and demanding you sure as hell better not endorse Obama.

I'd tell him to STFU and make me a better offer....and a ham sandwich.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm sammiches

I'm an under-the-radar superdelegate, so I'm getting a real kick out of these replies...

DamnYankees: sfl: DamnYankees: sfl: I think the indication here is that the Clintons do have tremendous sway.

I think its fairer to say a lot of Democratic Superdelegates are party functionaries who have no public experience, have never been on the national stage, and thus have zero spine and are absolutely terrified of actually doing something which would make a difference.

Well, that is likely true, but I think it's a little of both.

Fair enough. There probably is a serious scare factor if you are an under-the-radar party worker who has a superdelegate vote and you get a call from Bill Clinton, pissed and demanding you sure as hell better not endorse Obama.

Saw the quote on your profile as to why you like Obama...as a theologically educated Catholic, it is exciting to me that we actually have a candidate who seems to get Jesus and his radical message that calls into question American Christianity's acquiescence to military might because a politician happens to be "pro-life".

My mother-in-law was in town yesterday and at supper my youngest son talked about why he liked Obama (primarily because he didn't do the typical 'thumbs up' sign that politicians do...he's 10). She made a snide comment about telling my son how Obama voted on partial birth abortion and I said, "Well, there are other issues." She replied, "No there aren't. Not for me."

I just ended the conversation.

sfl: My mother-in-law was in town yesterday and at supper my youngest son talked about why he liked Obama (primarily because he didn't do the typical 'thumbs up' sign that politicians do...he's 10). She made a snide comment about telling my son how Obama voted on partial birth abortion and I said, "Well, there are other issues." She replied, "No there aren't. Not for me."

I just ended the conversation.

Did you try to explain that voting against banning PBA doesn't mean he thinks its a good idea? Or is that too complicated?

THIS IS A GOVERNMENT NOT A MONARCHY.

God you people make me stabby. You're hiring goddamn administrators, not electing gods representative on earth.

sfl: She made a snide comment about telling my son how Obama voted on partial birth abortion and I said, "Well, there are other issues." She replied, "No there aren't. Not for me."

I just ended the conversation.

You understand where she is coming from right? It's not like it's reducing the marginal tax rate by 10%. If she genuinely feels abortion is murder or some variant thereof, then it is understandable why she would put it as a top priority.

I suppose the most common equivalent amongst non-conservatives is the drug war. It's quite easy to put aside principles as if there is something greater than the drug war, but to people that see the drug war as the causation of many social ills, that is not a reasonable stance.

I have respect for the Americans that are genuinely pro-life.

Single issue voters, more often than not, are the most principled.

Phil Moskowitz: THIS IS A GOVERNMENT NOT A MONARCHY.

God you people make me stabby. You're hiring goddamn administrators, not electing gods representative on earth.

No, you're not hiring an administrator, you're hiring a president.

Suicidal Writer: Single issue voters, more often than not, are the most principled.

This assumes there is only one principle. If you only care about one single issue, you aren't principles. You're obsessed.

Suicidal Writer: Single issue voters, more often than not, are the most principled.

Yeah, 'cause voting for one dimensional representatives is just the sort of government that'll solve all our problems!

Oh, wait....

Weaver95: Suicidal Writer: Single issue voters, more often than not, are the most principled.

Yeah, 'cause voting for one dimensional representatives is just the sort of government that'll solve all our problems!

Oh, wait....

It depends on what the goal is. If you want to end something like segregation, overlooking the fact that a representative is a segregationist is a deal killer. It's not easy for truly ethical people to support something that is unethical for the sake of power. If you are against murder/executions, then it's a bit hard to support a murder/executioner. If you believe that the greatest injustices in relation to the lower classes result from a drug war, then it's a bit hard to just accept such a problem because of other issues.

Our current government results from the fact that the principled voters are such a small minority.

Will there be a Caesarian section in the house now?